Hardware Nerds Check in

Garbad_the_Weak

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Hardware Nerds Check in

I've been thinking of building another computer. I built one last summer and it turned out real well, but I think I want this one to be fairly low grade (mostly for word processing/internet type stuff, but a little gaming). My only goal would be at least a 19" flatscreen monitor, moderate GPU, and probably $1k or so.

Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
 

Dondrei

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You can get a really good machine even in the 1k range these days. Or at least you could before the crisis annihilated the Australian dollar... you won't have that problem though.

All I'll say is take your time and do your research and you'll be able to pick up a really good deal.
 

Garbad_the_Weak

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I was hoping for some specific suggestions. =/

I built one 2 summers back with a 6600 processor and a GTX 8800 2 gigs ram, but as I said I want this one to be substantially lower grade.
 

BAMFSpecialOps

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Well for word processing/internet type stuff, but a little gaming a dual core processor might be the way to go and on the lower/cheaper end the AMD 4000x2 is nice, 1 gig of ram should be enough(not sure what all your plans are, for a cheap vid card that can handle some gaming a 7600 should be very cheap by now.
 

Bathmat

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I put together some lists of parts on newegg...

Here's a low-end machine (could be lower, but imo if you get much lower-end you start getting a much worse machine for not much cheaper)
LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model iHAS220-06 - OEM 23.99
Rosewill R222-P-BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $19.99
Western Digital Caviar RE WD2500YD 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $39.99
Acer X193Wb Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail $119.99
HIS Hightech H465FS512P Radeon HD 4650 512MB 128-bit DDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card - Retail $59.99 ($-10 with mail-in rebate)
Rosewill RG530-2 530W 80Plus Bronze Certified, ATX12V v2.3/EPS12V v2.91, SLI Ready, Active-PFC Power Supply, UL,FCC,CE,TUV,ROHS - Retail $49.99
LITE-ON SK-1688U/B Black USB Wired Standard Keyboard - Retail $6.99
Rosewill RM-1600L Black 5 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB 1600 dpi Laser Mouse - Retail $14.99
Kingston 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model KVR800D2N6K2/2G - Retail $24.99
ASUS M3A78 Pro AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail + AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+ Brisbane 2.5GHz Socket AM2 Dual-Core Processor Model ADO4800IAA5DO - OEM (combo) $136.99
Total: $497.90 ($487.90 with rebate)
(+ Microsoft Windows XP Home SP3 for System Builders - OEM -$89.99, if you're so inclined)

Here's something higher end:
LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model iHAS220-06 - OEM 23.99
HEC 6T Series 6T10BB Black 0.7mm SECC Steel MicroATX Mini Tower Computer Case - Retail $39.99
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3500418AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $64.99
Acer X223Wbd Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail $169.99
Galaxy 98TFF6HUUEXX GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail $124.99 (-$25 with mail-in rebate)
SeaSonic S12 Energy Plus SS-550HT 550W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail $89.99
LITE-ON SK-1688U/B Black USB Wired Standard Keyboard - Retail $6.99
Rosewill RM-1600L Black 5 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB 1600 dpi Laser Mouse - Retail $14.99
Kingston HyperX 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory Model KHX6400D2K2/4GR - Retail $48.99
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3LR LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $102.99
Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7400 - Retail $119.99
Total: $807.89 ($782.89 with rebate)
(+ Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP3 for System Builders - OEM -$139.99, if you're so inclined)

You might want to choose your own keyboard/mouse/case, depending on what you like. And substitute any other parts you want, of course.
 
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Dondrei

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Well, I can't advise much on price seeing as you guys get things significantly cheaper than we do, but newegg seems to be a good place to shop.

Just some general tips: you might as well get a decent sized hard drive since they're all pretty cheap. But do economise on RAM, DDR2 performs about as well as DDR3 anyway. And unless you're using a 64-bit OS (which I wouldn't recommend at this point in time) you won't be able to use more than 4Gb of RAM, and frankly I've been able to run most things on 2Gb with no trouble, I suspect RAM isn't going to be the bottleneck on my system anyway. I always buy Kingston because of their reputation but I've been told that most RAM comes out of the same factory anyway - it's all around the same price so what the hell.

Similarly if you're trying to save money then just go dual core, not quad. The benefits are pretty software dependent anyway. But always invest in a good motherboard, go with a brand name like GB or ASUS and research their low-end offerings.

You might as well get at least a 22", they're really cheap now. Invest in a case with good airflow, make sure it's large enough and has a lot of mounts. Remember that even if every component on your system explodes you can always salvage the case. I also personally recommend finding a mouse and keyboard you really like, sounds trivial but that's the part you'll actually be in contact with most of the time. Similarly, get a decent sound card (although these days even the really cheap ones will be just fine if you buy a good brand, I've even heard that the ones built into mobos are really good) and especially good speakers. They're not that pricey.

I personally recommend not getting Lite-On, mine are really noisy and I hear that's just the way Lite-On makes them. Can't remember which brand I was looking at, but it shouldn't be hard to find a quiet one, just google around. Needless to say, make sure all the opticals and hdds you buy are SATA. I'm thinking of replacing my old IDE drives just to save cable space.

Another thing that's really cost effective is decent case fans, I picked up some coolermaster 80mms for like $5-$10 and it was the best investment I ever made, I never realised how noisy my crappy old no-name brand case fans were. On a cheap rig you only need a couple of fans but they cost nothing so more doesn't hurt. Just don't create an air short circuit.
 

ffejrxx

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i agree with dondrei

ddr2 > ddr3 atm, ddr2 can hit ~1200+ and is about half the price for similar ddr3 dimms

be sure not to cheap out on the drives
for hdds get seagate/wd, avoid hitachi/samsung/fujitsu
cd/dvd get sony/pioneer/asus/hp, avoid liteon/lg and other unknown brands
 

Uncle_Mike

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be sure not to cheap out on the drives
for hdds get seagate/wd, avoid hitachi/samsung/fujitsu
If you want seagate make sure you avoid the 7200.11 series with the flawed SD15 firmware. There are known issues with those drives.



 

Dondrei

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Oh yeah, I always get WD drives, hear Seagate is good too. Prices are so close that getting a good brand is a no-brainer.
 

Garbad_the_Weak

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Thanks for the advice so far.

When I built my current computer last summer, I was very pleased with the results, but I also put a lot of time into picking the components. I want this one to be much lower quality (my last one was ~$2500 gaming computer, this one should be a ~$750 girl computer that looks as expensive as mine but is actually cheap but still good enough to meet her needs -- internets and word processing). As I'm not terribly computer literate to start with, I need some help picking things.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161262
I don't know anything about this card, but most people seem to recommend the geforce 7600/7900 or 8800 gts. Why this? My GPU doesn't need to be super beefy, just enough to power the monitor watching movies and limited gaming. On a ~750 total computer, how much should I earmark for the GPU? $150?

Has anyone got suggestions on a small case, one of those midi ones (I think they called it that back in the day)?

2 vs 4 gigs, how important is 4? Its only like $25 bucks to get 4 gigs.

Thanks.
 

Dondrei

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You want it to look fancy on the outside to non-tech savvy people then get an Alienware case...

Seriously though, just get a case with decent airflow. Heat won't be a huge deal on a low end rig (well, it shouldn't, but some components may give you a nasty surprise there these days) but better safe than sorry. Nothing fancy. Although remember that cases effectively last forever, much longer than any system, so you could always invest a bit in one.

For a non-gaming system I'd say $150 is more than sufficient for a video card (in fact I'd say think cheaper). I got my GB 9600GT for about that, and it plays everything I can get my hands on with no problems. It really doesn't matter what you buy, just get a low end model of a decent brand (basically Gigabyte/ASUS, although I've heard some of the other manufacturers have been putting out good cards lately, notably Sapphire and XFX or whatever they're called), you don't need anything special to play movies and the odd low-end game.

That card sounds pretty good, if in doubt read reviews:

http://www.thinkcomputers.org/index.php?x=reviews&id=872

It'd be better if you could find one that benched it against a wider range of cards though, preferably with AMD (formerly ATi) cards against Nvidia's.
 

Bathmat

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161262
I don't know anything about this card, but most people seem to recommend the geforce 7600/7900 or 8800 gts. Why this? My GPU doesn't need to be super beefy, just enough to power the monitor watching movies and limited gaming. On a ~750 total computer, how much should I earmark for the GPU? $150?
I recommended that card simply because it's a fairly high end card at a low price. If you want a quick and dirty way to compare graphics cards, you can look at these lists for hardware specs: Nvidia, ATI. Hardware specs don't necessarily indicate performance, so if you want something more accurate, try googling for benchmarks for the card and compare them to other cards. As far as price goes, ~$150 will tend to get you a fairly high end current graphics card (and personally I'd never spend more than that, as there tends to be poor price/performance above that point). For about half that you'll get what was a fairly high end card 1 year ago.

In any case, that card will handle high definition movies, and even the latest games (as long as you're not using really high resolutions and graphics settings) without any problems.

try this one, not much more and alot faster

9500gt 512mb ddr3 (600/2000)
Actually, the 9500gt is significantly slower than the radeon 4650 - benchmarks.

2 vs 4 gigs, how important is 4? Its only like $25 bucks to get 4 gigs.
You won't notice the difference between 2 and 4 gigs, because the whole 2 gigs will probably never even get used.



 

Dondrei

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I hear that you can really use more than 2Gb if you want to run Vista (can't imagine why you would), but I still don't think it's a big deal if you're not running heavy duty games. I'd just get XP instead, it's better in every respect.

But if it's only $25, then well, you tell me how important that is.
 

ffejrxx

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vista with media center isnt half bad, when it works

it has troubles recording a show while watching something previously recorded
even on a top end machine with raided hdds
 

Bathmat

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Is that true for Vista though? I know 2 gigs are plenty for Windows XP.
2 gigs should be enough for Vista, though you've got better chances of actually using all of it. Of course it depends on what applications you're using and your usage habits (like having many things open at once). But on the whole, that $25 would probably be put to better use going towards a better processor (at least at the low end of things).

But really, Vista is a dead end. XP is still going strong, and from what I gather, Windows 7 will be much less of a resource hog than Vista... So skip it.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,2118.html
Their summaries of the current "Best Deals" are always helpful for me.

They also have benchmark charts here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-charts-q3-2008/benchmarks,30.html
Nice links! Those should be handy for taking the hard work out of researching parts :thumbup:



 
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