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Hardcore Paladin

Discussion in 'Hardcore' started by Wolfedude, Feb 13, 2004.

  1. Wolfedude

    Wolfedude IncGamers Member

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    Hardcore Paladin

    Ok. I want to make a melee paladin. I enjoyed playing them in 1.09 & want to play them in 1.10. I will stay out of the CS & Worldstone so I don't get IM'd. Now, using some of the best equipment can I make one that will not only live but be viable?
    I don't want to use a SS for him but do have a high defense, 4 socket rondache that will give me max blocking and over 100% resists. That will enable me to use Guardian Angel so I can get my resists up to 90-95%. That along with one of the lightning absorb items (lightsabre & etc.), dwarfstar, and a ravenfrost.
    Am I just wasting my time trying to build this guy? Will he wind up in hell getting swarmed under by some boss pack and getting his rear end handed to him on a platter? Maybe make a freezerdin so at least he will be fighting slow monsters.
    What do you folks think?
     
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    PhatTrumpet IncGamers Member

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    I would definitely make an Avenger. Pumping the single resists further increases your max resists, so combined with GA you should be pretty impervious to the elements.


    10 Resist Fire
    10 Resist Cold
    10 Resist Lightning -- these get you to 95/95/95/90 with GA
    20 Conviction
    20 Holy Shield
    rest in Vengeance


    I would not worry too much about life and mana leach. In Hell it's next to useless, and you can just flash on Redemption as long as there are corpses around. The only issue really is getting a beefy one-hand weapon. I'm building my Avenger to use Heaven's Light.. no idea how it'll work out. I'd stay away from things like Razor's Edge and upgraded Headstriker, as the DS will only double your physical dmg (which isn't much).
     
  3. TheDarkSide

    TheDarkSide Clan Officer - US East Hardcore

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    Im having a seriously hard time making a melle pally so far . Im trying the zealot / fanat build with little sucess so far . Killed 3 of them so far lvl 48 , 46 , 8 . Currently Im lvl 42 and taking it a bit slower this time . Im planning on using Ga , Goreriders , Razors edge , Dracs . Now if i can only make it to the lvl reqs for some of these items .. :lol: I think my problem so far has been low life - around 600 on them when I bit it . Id say make sure you have plenty of life charms on hand and a friend with Oak or Bo when ya hit NM . I got bored of my lvl 60 hammerdin real fast and really hope to make a melle pally that will work out in Nm and Hell . Iv'e yet to make it that far - but Im determined to do so - Good luck with your build .
     
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    I have a build about exactly as described here and he does well in hell. Most sorcs and ama's want to date him for his green aura, and he can actually kill better melee then the barbs I made before. He uses a Lightsaber, and I still need to try out the Gimmershreds I muled to him a few days ago. The conviction means almost no AR is needed to hit. Next time I make one I will spend less (or maybe even none) in the Resist Fire and Resist Cold, and max the Resist Lightning instead (or another one, specialisation in an element is an option on this build).

    I was pleasantly surprised with the viability of this build, however I would like to have a bit more life (maybe I need to make a BO runeword weapon to compensate a bit).
     
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    STINGER IncGamers Member

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    There is no Pally made that isnt on the edge of death without bo and or Oak and unfortunately that is just a simple fact. Most build require getting up in the face of the enemy and punching it out and they hae no escape mech. i suggest the lowest req, highes damage weapon you can muster and get some crushing blow in the build. Minimize his dex investement so you cna maximize his life.

    If you are hoping to solo a melee pally in Hell it will be ruff and I suggest a Holy Freezer for most build and to take your time and I mean really take your time as its just to easy to get 2-3 boss packs on you at once now.

    Butchers Pupil or Headstriker are a couple of items that are prety good choices and so would the Lightsaber simply for speed.

    Melee Pallys have a tuff road, but if you succeed without being a total leech it is a character to be proud of! GL
     
  6. Malachi

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    Thats a bit blunt. I hope you mean all Paladins except Hammerdins, since are super strong and can solo hell without BO or Oak (except some later parts of act 5). The damage from Gimmershreds with my Avenger amazed me (max veng, conv) and it does allow to do a bit of ranged in certain tight spots without dropping the shield for a bow.
     
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    I made one that died to IM in NM, but he was doing pretty well, probably not the best ever build tho.

    Max Holy Shield
    Max Defiance - syn for holy shield
    Max Conviction
    few points in zeal
    rest in to vengance

    Holy Freeze merc

    I had GA so I had 90 all res, and about 12k defense with holy shield, 75% block as well. The damage from Vengence with conviction was pretty decent. The build was aiming to be a kind of tanking build for party play. But tanking IM doesn't work :O

    If I was making another melee pala I would remake this I think.

    Love From Leper

    By the way, i felt very skillful to die to IM not stupid in the slightest, cos obviously it's a clever idea to try to take on obilvion knights solo.
     
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    it is only a simple fact taht any character without oak or Bo is simply ready for death at any time and since pallys must get up in the face of thier enemy even the hammerdin, they are all on the edge.

    3k life Barbs are dieing to one hit wonders and death explosions WTF makes you think a Hammerdin is immune to these things?

    Pallys provide excellent offensive potential, but when they equip the big hitting weapons it costs them in life. Sure, if you have all the excellent gear your odds are very good, but the same simple fact taht death is just around the corner is still there.

    [Extinguished for flamage by ZappaFan]
     
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    ZappaFan Hardcore Moderator and America Trade Moderator

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    This may very well be the case for about any melee character in 1.10, the game has definitely tilted in favor of castor and ranged type of characters, no doubt about it.



     
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    If you're looking for a fun build that can indeed survive in hell, try making a Frost Zealot - holy freeze is your main attack. It just so happens that I wrote an entire guide on that specific build... check the paladin forum's Guides List... its in there.

    Reeeeally fun, my personal favorite paladin to play, and I've played a LOT =)
     
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    Just wondering what the reasoning is behind this, or were you not using Guardian Angel. Putting more than 10 pts in any of them is somewhat defeating since it makes you somewhat less versatile (i.e. you wouldn't do much dmg to Lightning Immunes if you just maxed Resist Lightning synergy)and 10 pts in each gets your max resists to 95. If you just weren't using GA then forget I said anything....
     
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    after some single player testing, i'm of the opinion that nightmare is a lot harder for the melee pali than hell. my aveanger is cruising through hell without a death yet, but died 3 times in nm, all due to death explosions (and one fire/lightening enchanted charged bolt). i could have avoided the fire/cold enchanted trav dude by starting a new game, but the others I wasn't expecting even after looking at mods. You have to be very selective of the monsters you go after, and not be ashamed to restart teh game for a new seed- there are just gonna be some monsters that will kill you if you hit them. (though tossing some glimmers sounds like a good idea...)
     
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    My personal favorite build is the tesladin. He owns thru NM. Im currently having difficulty in hell with all the freaking lightning immunes. Its like a conspiracy.

    I would recommend either a lightsabre or crescent moon phase for the weapon. You get a 5 frame attack with no additional IAS needed. This opens up your gloves for blood gloves (10 crushing, up to 6 life leech).

    In hindsight, instead of maxing sacrafice, i should have spent points in holy freeze and resist cold for a lightning immune weapon switch.

    Time to remake i guess... unless lower resist works on removing immune?
     
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    Some immunities can be removed using LR, but not many, and even if the immunty gets removed the monster will still have very high resistance to that element.
     
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    Well, my pally is using a crescent moon phase that has -35 resist on it, but the - resist mods dont work if the critter is immune by default. If you remove the immunity the - resist will work.
     

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