Hammy Gear/extra skills

[CdMagicFind]

Hammy Gear/extra skills

Need help on this set-up. Uh, please?

CoA
Mara's
Wiz (no socket yet. not sure what to put in it.)
Enigma
35 Spirit ST
Magefist (I'll try to get trang's..)
Arach
Raven
Wisp
Spurs

- 39 dr
- 125 fcr
- only about 85 fhr I think

Anni/Torch/no charm set-up really otherwise. Need the basics for one..


So.. yeap. I need help. Not sure what to do about all the different choices but I can easily cash in a s-f PGriffon's for the money. zz


Edit -

Need an idea on any stray points, too..

20 BH/Vigor/BA/Conc
1 Smite, Charge, HS
rest (even number) into RL

But I was thinking about getting HS from the scepter on a new paly. Which might help a little? Are there any good 1-pointers or anything though? Otherwise I'll just max RL, rest into HS.

 

[clairetay]

er is this for pvp or pvm? btw magefist is better for the mana regen

 

[PhuQ]

One point into HS definitely. You might want to have one pt in fana for some situations (ie vs bowa, windy etc). 10points into LR should be fine.

As for charms, the best choice would be
3-4 * 4x life PC
1* 5fhr/5allres
1*20/20 PT
1*20/20 anni
Rest full of 20/5allres´

but PC 3x and clean 20 lifers would do too. I´d use spurs only for special occasions (fire sorc) and your main boots should be Waterwalks.

 

[CdMagicFind]

But wouldn't I rather have more RL than HS? I can max RL eventually.

And why so many PC? Don't people usually go like 12k Hammer? That many would give me 13-14k or something?

And wouldn't I switch to HotO/Rare Ring if I wanted to get all the life? That would give me about 100 BO-able life too. I sorta need to know what to stat for since if I stat for Waterwalks I won't be able to max-block with pretty much anything else..

I think right now he has 45-55ish base dex.

Edit -

Oops, I guess that would only give me like an 11k hammer. :laugh:

 

[PhuQ]

But wouldn't I rather have more RL than HS? I can max RL eventually

And wouldn't I switch to HotO/Rare Ring if I wanted to get all the life? That would give me about 100 BO-able life too. I sorta need to know what to stat for since if I stat for Waterwalks I won't be able to max-block with pretty much anything else..

I think you would need lvl like 98 to max LR. As said, one into HS at least but I prefer more, no need for that high LR.


As for boots, just think in what occasions would you switch your waterwalks. I can think of duelling fire sorc (hotties) or blizzer/foher (res boots). None of this chars requires you to block their attack so you should not care about like 6% or 7% lower ctb.

4 PCs would give you 13Kish damage with one fcr ring and CoA (the rest being mara, spirit, hoto etc)

 

[mainaman]

i wouldnt go with coa though.
shako is btter helm for hammerdin.
if you want dr get dungo and use 2 fcr rings with as high life as possible . this way you will have more life than with coa, and ideally, 41 dr, which is perfectly enough to duel phys dmg oponents.

 

[PhuQ]

i wouldnt go with coa though.
shako is btter helm for hammerdin.
if you want dr get dungo and use 2 fcr rings with as high life as possible . this way you will have more life than with coa, and ideally, 41 dr, which is perfectly enough to duel phys dmg oponents.

50dr is alot better than 41% (around 25% difference) and CoA has resists + FHR, which would help the pally hit 86fhr bp

 

[mainaman]

50dr is alot better than 41% (around 25% difference) and CoA has resists + FHR, which would help the pally hit 86fhr bp

how is the difference between 50 and 41 25 %?and you realize you sacrifice alot of life+mana for 30 res that you can easy compensate with wizzy + charms? not to mention you need dr only against barbs/smiter ...

 

[Cheesehed]

how is the difference between 50 and 41 25 %?and you realize you sacrifice alot of life+mana for 30 res that you can easy compensate with wizzy + charms? not to mention you need dr only against barbs/smiter ...

25% of 50 is 12ish
50-41=9
12ish kind of= 9

 

[PhuQ]

40 + 25% form 40 is
40 + 40*2.5/10 is
40 + 100/10 is
50

numbers aren´t exact but you got picture


you need DR against windies, bowazons, barbs, smiters, werewolves etc etc
if you put on wizzy, you lose 3 skills from hoto
and coa has 30res AND 30fhr

well in fact it´s matter of personal prefference, I like CoA more tho as almost every hammerdin has a shako

style > all

 

[MysticDragon]

smiters, werewolves

Don't really need DR for these.

 

[CdMagicFind]

But if I'm clearing pub I won't be able to get a very good gm duel. Come to think of it, I want him pretty bm when I want him to be.

And imo, CoA is gawdly. But I think I'm using a lot of things that give me low life in the end. He'll probably have about 4kish with charms.

But yeah, clearing pubs I thought Wiz/Wisp would be better than HotO/Cast. Since it seems a pub would be just like sort of a 1v7 to an (a lot) lesser extent.

Thanks for the replies though guys.

Edit - Also, using the gear set-up I posted along with the charm set-up you did (4 pcomb and a 15 res all in the wiz), I would have 230 (perfect everything) stacked over max. Meaning about 375 resist all. I won't really have something that high but that seems stacked enough. Along with the damage being around 11k without HotO..

 

[mainaman]

25% of 50 is 12ish
50-41=9
12ish kind of= 9

thanks for the flawless math lesson, ill write down that 12 =9 asap.

apart from that i don't see how an argumet such as

style>all

is valid in pvp, especially if str bugged , the only one that will see the coa is the player himself...
again if you know how to build a hammerdin youll have 86 fhr with no coa on, and res stacked to the roof

 

[PhuQ]

thanks for the flawless math lesson, ill write down that 12 =9 asap.

apart from that i don't see how an argumet such as is valid in pvp, especially if str bugged , the only one that will see the coa is the player himself...
again if you know how to build a hammerdin youll have 86 fhr with no coa on, and res stacked to the roof

I hope we agree on fact that Life, FHR, Res, %Dr, skills etc are all important things in PvP.

Now could you please tell me which helm (or circlet, diadem, whatever) offers 15%dr, 30% allres, 30FHR, skills and two open sockets apart from CoA? None I believe.

Also, could you please tell me where is your hammerdin going to get 86 fhr without serious gear sacrifices from?

 

[poroboszcz]

Hey, why ww and no sandstorms? You get 15 vita 15 dex huge pres boost and 20 fhr. So with shako setup you only need one 12fhr pc to get 86 bp. Just my few cents

 

[hunk]

Hey, why ww and no sandstorms? You get 15 vita 15 dex huge pres boost and 20 fhr. So with shako setup you only need one 12fhr pc to get 86 bp. Just my few cents

u dont need str from treks, 15vit isnt boable, and when u need 86fhr, use coa (30) + verdu (10) or wizzy with 7fhr + @ jewel

 

[CdMagicFind]

Uh, don't really feel like arguing over that one piece of gear. Imo CoA will always be better. With perfect gear, the str needed is almost negligible.

Just want help with the overall set-up. If it includes Shako then fine, but I need the whole set-up still. Thanks..?

Edit -
And comments on my set-up..

Edit -
And sort of need to know more on the skills. Like how useful/important Fana would be and whether it might be better to put points into say.. Charge/Smite damage rather than HS. And more on RL vs. HS and stuff.. =]?

 

[Cheesehed]

thanks for the flawless math lesson, ill write down that 12 =9 asap.

apart from that i don't see how an argumet such as is valid in pvp, especially if str bugged , the only one that will see the coa is the player himself...
again if you know how to build a hammerdin youll have 86 fhr with no coa on, and res stacked to the roof

I never said 12=9 dumbass, but hey its pretty common for you to make things up to look smart.

 

[mainaman]

Also, could you please tell me where is your hammerdin going to get 86 fhr without serious gear sacrifices from?

bloodfist+spirit+5 fhr sc=90fhr

 

[Ouallada]

^I assume you use wizzies with the above setup? If not, a 2/20 ammy would be needed. You could socket the wizzy with a jewel that has 15res and 7fhr inside so you do not need to use the fhr sc.

Also, I agree with shako being superior to coa on a hdin in general. Simply swap in coa when it is needed, together with dungos. Even if its really is you against 7, shako gives more life, and not every character requires dr to battle against efficiently.