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Hammerdin - what armor for enigma?

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  1. Herbiegaf3

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    Hammerdin - what armor for enigma?

    I'm trying to decide what type of armor I should make enigma in for my hammerdin. Is it worth the extra str for the extra defense of a dusk shroud or archon plate or am I better off just going with a mage plate so I can leave my str at base and get some extra vit?

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    Re: Hammerdin - what armor for enigma?

    If this is for PvM, it's fine to use whatever armor you like the looks of or have on hand. If it's PvP then the more points into life the better, so mage plate may make more sense. As for defense, with a high enough holy shield you won't notice much difference between the armors. If you are concerned with future trade value, then you should probably stick to mage plate/dusk shroud/archon plate since that is what most of bnet is looking for.
     
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    Re: Hammerdin - what armor for enigma?

    Basically what sleepy floyd said. The 3 main choices are mp, ds, ap. Honestly the vit difference shouldn't be signficant, especially when compared to the def difference. Afterall, anything def would affect, you still have a shield to block. Unless you plan on defiance/insight merc, def shouldn't be noticeable.

    For me, its more aesthetics, so I prefer ds/ap since I'll typically have to dump into str for other gear anyway.
     
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    Re: Hammerdin - what armor for enigma?

    mp is the standard option for pvp to make sure you get your corpse back easily
     
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    Re: Hammerdin - what armor for enigma?

    Oh yeah forgot about that. Usually wasn't a problem unless someone was being a jerk about it and killing all the nekkid folks. But mp and ap do look the same, and the difference in def would be under 300 before holy shield/defiance modifiers.


     
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    Re: Hammerdin - what armor for enigma?

    But when someone is being a jerk it can be pretty bad lol. Having 2 corpses with items in the same game is a huge problem, when cant access them :(
     
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    Re: Hammerdin - what armor for enigma?

    Here are some numbers for the armor only assuming each armor is max defense, the Enigma rolls +775, character level is 63, and Holy Shield is level 20:

    Mage Plate Enigma
    1036 base defense
    4403 with Holy Shield
    55 strength req (Archon Plate uses 48 more attribute points)
    Hell Baal has a 84.5% chance to hit

    Dusk Shroud Enigma
    1242 base defense
    5279 with Holy Shield
    77 strength req (Archon Plate uses 26 more attribute points)
    Hell Baal has a 79.6% chance to hit

    Archon Plate Enigma
    1299 base defense
    5521 with Holy Shield
    103 strength req
    Hell Baal has a 78.3% chance to hit

    If you're going to be wearing high strength requirement items like T-gods' Vigor (110) or War Travelers (95) then Archon Plate is a good fit. Otherwise, the Dusk Shroud provides almost as much defense with 26 less attributes, which can provide another 78 hit points.
     
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    Re: Hammerdin - what armor for enigma?

    base defense on enigma really doesn't matter much since there's no multiplier (ED%) on the enigma runeword
     
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    Re: Hammerdin - what armor for enigma?

    I understand what you are saying, but every little bit helps. Assuming the same stats as my previous post, Baal will hit the lowest base Archon Plate (410) 80.7% of the time versus the highest base (524) at 78.3%. 2.4% isn't huge, but when you're talking about end game gear you might as well get as close to perfection as possible.
     
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    Re: Hammerdin - what armor for enigma?

    The biggest reason to care about def is if you plan on any significant modifiers, primarily defiance and holy shield come to mind. Its when you have big multipliers that the base def really starts to matter.

    On a din, I prefer the MP/AP look, since they're supposed to be, you know, armored ;)

    But DS does provide the best def for the star req.
     
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    Re: Hammerdin - what armor for enigma?

    of course that's only true if you don't factor in the +7xx defense on the enigma and are just wearing a plain armor, and if the enigma is the ONLY source of defense you have on your entire body

    it is almost meaningless in the end in terms of functionality.



     
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    Re: Hammerdin - what armor for enigma?

    looks or str requirement > all

    personally a nice MP is the way to go, decent DS or AP cost far too much for the relative "gain".
     
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    Re: Hammerdin - what armor for enigma?

    Anything that covers paladin's legs works fine - I usually go with mage plates, dusks for when I need more def in duels vs melee chars.
     
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    Re: Hammerdin - what armor for enigma?

    Go mp imo. There is no reason to take defense over life.
     
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    Re: Hammerdin - what armor for enigma?

    Whatever lets you get away with putting 0 points in Strength.

    Anni and Torch + starting Str will let you wear MP (unless they're really crappy). Then you have Mara's and Harlequin (as long as you reach 50 Str), which together will give another 7 Str.

    Superior Dusk Shroud runewords cost 4 times as much to repair as Superior Archon Plate runewords.
     
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    Re: Hammerdin - what armor for enigma?

    Depends on gear, if you are going for FCR jewelry that haves STR, you may want to use an AP instead of a MP, you win defense at the cost of nothing, just plan your character considering all his future gear and then figure out what's best for you.
     
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    Re: Hammerdin - what armor for enigma?

    I would also go with mage plate. 263 defense or 144 life, I choose the life.
     

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