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Gynli's sept projects progression thread

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  1. Gynli

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    ... Something about me being a lazy completionist with a bit of OCD.

    The main reason for starting this thread was so that any time spent on the game was time spent towards something.

    So, this thread will be used for the following 3 main purposes :
    1. Progression updates for currently on-going projects.
    2. Archive of links to write-ups for completed projects.
    3. Frequently edited notes and ideas as nts, for future & on-going projects.

    It'll also effectively serve as a 'save point' of progression, in case of extended time away from the game.


    For now, the 2 main branches of these projects are '7 Septs' and 'Extended Holy Grail'. Details and progression below.


    [ 7 SEPTS ]
    "Why do just 1 or 2 when you can go for 7?" multiplied by "Why do just 1 or 2 when you can go for 7?".

    And of course, everyone here knows 7 x 7 equals 51; so this isn't exactly a sept x sept. :D

    Code:
    [7 Septs]
    1. Untwinked 99er Sept   
    2. Title Sept
    3. Tourney Sept
    4. Class-specific Set Sept
    5. ?
    6. ?
    7. ?
    


    [Untwinked 99er Sept] - Reach level 99 on every class.
    Last progression update : Sept 06 2018
    If you haven't already, join us at Revenge of The 99ers!

    I'll be in it for the long haul with a full sept of 99ers. Untwinked at that. :eek:

    Code:
    NAME/CLASS   
    ----------   
    Amazon       pre-LK  LK&95  96
    Assassin         
    Necromancer      
    Barbarian        
    Paladin          
    Sorceress        
    Druid            
    


    [Title Sept] - Earn every title in the game.
    Last progression update : Aug 23 2018
    I first came across The Title Grail while skimming through the stickied threads.

    In short, its about earning all 19 titles the game assigns to a character based on the game version (Classic/Expansion), the gender of the character, the game mode (SC/HC) and, of course, the difficulty completed. Hell variants obviously have to go through and earn titles from Normal and Nightmare; and conveniently, there are exactly 7 different Hell-completed titles in the game.

    So, one title sept it is. :D

    Code:
    VERSION    GENDER  MODE      NORMAL     NIGHTMARE  HELL
    Classic    Male    SC        Sir        Lord       Baron     
    Classic    Female  SC        Dame       Lady       Baroness
    Classic    Male    HC        Count      Duke       King
    Classic    Female  HC        Countess   Duchess    Queen
    Expansion  Male    SC        Slayer     Champion   Patriarch
    Expansion  Female  SC        Slayer     Champion   Matriarch
    Expansion  Both    HC        Destroyer  Conqueror  Guardian
    
    3 of 12 classic        titles obtained
    0 of  7 expansion      titles obtained
    1 of  7 Hell-completed titles obtained
    


    [Tourney Sept] - Compete and Complete tourneys.
    Last progression update : AAA 11 1111
    I've always been more of a grinding/mfing type of player; patience is not my strong suit.

    This sept is here as a challenge to myself, to participate and compete in forum tourneys.

    Common basic tourney rules will apply - single-pass, full-clear, /p8/p8/p3 - along with some additional restrictions for each character depending on the tourney. The goal is to include different types of tourneys into the sept, at least one from each of item-restricted, skill-restricted, and playstyle-restricted tourneys.

    Code:
    Class        Tournament    Progression
    Amazon
    Assassin
    Necromancer  
    Barbarian
    Paladin
    Sorceress
    Druid
    


    [Class-specific Set Sept] - Class specific set, the way it was meant to be used.
    Last progression update : AAA 11 1111
    Blizzard very kindly added 7 class-specific sets into the game some patches ago. It only makes sense to include this.

    Project will start when I find all the pieces for each set, and characters will be twinked until they meet the level requirements.

    Code:
    CLASS        SET                    PROGRESS
    Amazon       M'avina's Battle Hymn
    Assassin     Natalya's Odium
    Necromancer  Trang-Oul's Avatar
    Barbarian    Immortal King
    Paladin      Griswold's Legacy
    Sorceress    Tal Rasha's Wrappings
    Druid        Aldur's Watchtower
    
    



    [ EXTENDED HOLY GRAIL ]
    Can't call myself a completionist if I don't try and collect every item in the game, right? :p

    The Extended Holy Grail consists of the following sub grails.

    Code:
    Grail Type      Total  Have  Missing
    The Holy Grail    504   400      104
    Runeword           78     0       78
    Runedrop           33     0       33
    Miscellaneous       0     0       ??
    

    [The Holy Grail] - Collect all Sets and Uniques in the game.
    Last progression update : June 24 2018
    Every item in the grail will remain unidentified. No wear and tear allowed!

    Code:
    Slot        Total Found Missing
    Armor       15    12    3
                            The Centurion
                            Darkglow
                            Silks of the Victor
    Bows        8     7     1
                            Witherstring
    Maces       8     7     1
                            Felloak
    Polearms    6     5     1
                            The Grim Reaper
    Staves      5     2     3
                            Bane Ashe
                            Serpent Lord
                            The Salamander
    Wands       4     3     1
                            Maelstrom
    
    Code:
    Slot        Total Found Missing
    Helms       8     7     1
                            Vampire Gaze
    Armor       15    14    1
                            Skullder's Ire
    Shields     8     7     1
                            Tiamat's Rebuke
    Axes        10    7     3
                            Islestrike
                            Guardian Naga
                            Stormrider
    Crossbows   4     3     1
                            Demon Machine
    Polearms    6     4     2
                            The Meat Scraper
                            Blackleach Blade
    Staves      5     2     3
                            Ribcracker
                            Chromatic Ire
                            Skull Collector
    Swords      14    11    3
                            Ginther's Rift
                            Plague Bearer
                            Todesfaelle Flamme
    Wands       4     3     1
                            Blackhand Key
    
    Code:
    Slot        Total Found Missing
    Helms       9     4     5
                            Kira's Guardian
                            Andariels' Visage
                            Nightwing's Veil
                            Giant Skull
                            Crown of Ages
    Armor       7     2     5
                            The Gladiator's Bane
                            Leviathan
                            Steel Carapace
                            Templar's Might
                            Tyrael's Might
    Shields     6     2     4
                            Blackoak Shield
                            Stormshield
                            Head Hunter's Glory
                            Spirit Ward
    Gloves      3     1     2
                            Dracul's Grasp
                            Steelrend
    Boots       3     2     1
                            Marrowwalk
    Axes        8     4     4
                            Razor's Edge
                            Messerschmidt's Reaver
                            Death Cleaver
                            Executioner's Justice
    Bows        3     1     2
                            Eaglehorn
                            Windforce
    Crossbows   2     1     1
                            Gut Siphon
    Daggers     3     1     2
                            Fleshripper
                            Ghostflame
    Maces       10    7     3
                            Stormlash
                            Schaefer's Hammer
                            Earth Shifter
    Polearms    4     2     2
                            The Reaper's Toll
                            Stormspire
    Scepters    3     2     1
                            Heaven's Light
    Spears      3     2     1
                            Steel Pillar
    Staves      2     1     1
                            Mang Song's Lesson
    Swords      8     4     4
                            Azurewrath
                            Flamebellow
                            Doombringer
                            The Grandfather
    Throwing    3     2     1
                            Warshrike
    Wands       2     1     1
                            Death's Web
    
    Code:
    Slot        Total Found Missing
    Amulets     12    6     6
                            The Cat's Eye
                            Atma's Scarab
                            The Rising Sun
                            Highlord's Wrath
                            Mara's Kaleidoscope
                            Metalgrid
    Rings       9     6     3
                            The Stone of Jordan
                            Bul-Kathos' Wedding Band
                            Wisp Projector
    Jewels      8     3     5
                            Fire/up
                            Cold/die
                            Cold/up
                            Lite/die
                            Psn/die
    
    Code:
    Slot        Total Found Missing
    Weapons     13    11    2
                            The Oculus
                            Death's Fathom
    Armor       14    6     8
                            Arreat's Face
                            Demonhorn's Edge
                            Halaberd's Reign
                            Spirit Keeper
                            Ravenlore
                            Herald of Zakarum
                            Alma Negra
                            Dragonscale
    
    Code:
    Set        Total Found Missing
    Cathan     5     3     2               
                           Cathan's Sigil
                           Cathan's Mesh
    Milabrega  4     3     1
                           Milabrega's Diadem
    Vidala     4     3     1
                           Vidala's Ambush
    
    Code:
    Set        Total Found Missing
    Cow King   3     0     3
                           Cow King's Horns
                           Cow King's Hide
                           Cow King's Hooves
    Griswold   4     1     3
                           Griswold's Valor
                           Griswold's Redemption
                           Griswold's Honor
    Immortal   6     5     1
                           Immortal King's Soul Cage
    Sander     4     3     1
                           Sander's Paragon
    Tal Rasha  5     3     2
                           Tal Rasha's Guardianship
                           Tal Rasha's Adjudication
    

    //Holy Grail Detail


    //Holy Grail

    [Runeword Grail] - Make every runeword in the game.
    Last Progression Update : AAA 11 1111
    Every runeword in the game. In a superior base.

    a
    //Runeword Grail Detail

    //Runeword Grail


    [Runedrop Grail] - Pick up every rune in the game.
    Last Progression Update : AAA 11 1111

    Every rune found as-is.
    Code:
    El      Sol     Mal
    Eld     Shael   Ist
    Tir     Dol     Gul
    Nef     Hel     Vex
    Eth     Io      Ohm
    Ith     Lum     Lo
    Tal     Ko      Sur
    Ral     Fal     Ber
    Ort     Lem     Jah
    Thul    Pul     Cham
    Amn     Um      Zod
    
    //Runedrop Grail



    [ NTS ]

    Notes and ideas. Frequently edited.

    Possible projects.
    Item Grail
    1) Ormus Grail
    2) Eth Grail
    3) Perf Grail
    4) Perf&Eth Grail

    Playstyle
    1) Single-pass, no extended stash, full-clear, /p8 /p8 /p3 Guardian sept

    Item restriction
    1) Magic only Guardian
    2) Rare only
    3) Craft only (1 of each)
    4) Unique only
    5) Class-set sept

    Theme(?), etc
    1) fuzzy dodger
    2) frost bear pally
    3) elemental hunger bear
    4) Merc trio (Barb bros, Pally bros, Amazon sisters)
    5) 2h zeal-chantress

    // possible projects

    Notes regarding Untwinked 99er Amazon.
    1. lvl 98. Pure bowazon vs melee switch?
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    //pure bowa

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    //melee switch


    Goal - Fast CS clear / Fast&Safe Diablo kill
    Need - 8fps MS / High CB & 6fpa slaps / Amp / 15+ Fire absorb
    Want - frw

    Equipments :
    Guillaume with fervor (15ias & 35CB)
    Atma's Scarab (Amp)
    Faith MB with 14+ Fana (8fpa with 15ias)
    Beast Caduceus (20CB & 6fpa with 10ias)
    Pheonix Monarch (15+ fire absorb)
    Fortitude
    Cleglaw's Pincer (25% slow)
    Ravenfrost (CBF)
    Mav's belt (20 frw, 5ml)
    Blood ring with 19+ str (3+ ll)
    Gore (30 frw, 15CB)

    => 8fpa MS / 6fpa 70CB on switch, CBF, 25% Slow, 15+ fire absorb, 50frw
    ==> need more frw. (about 50 extra)
    ===> 16 * 3frw sc = 48 frw (4 * 4 inventory space)

    Missing :
    Faith MB with 14+ Fana (4os MB, Jah, Ohm)
    5os Caduceus (have runes for beast)
    4os Monarch (have runes for Pheonix)

    Have :
    Faith GMB (need 50% ias instead of 15%)
    Fleshripper (8fpa with 50% ias instead of 6fpa with 10%)
    Sanctuary (high FR instead of Fire absorb) OR SS

    Off-ED :
    300% fortitude
    Fana lvl 14 (271%) lvl9 (186)
    Might lvl 20 (230%)
    ~200 dex
    ~ 1000% off-ed

    LoH (350% to Diablo)
    Pride (270%~ 345% lvl 16~20)


    Goal - high damage and CB.
    Need - 50 ias + 12 Fana & Decrep or Amp.
    Got - 50% CB & 8fpa Multi/GA & ITD/Always hit
    Want - merc survivability.

    Necessary Equipments :
    Guillaume with fervor (15 ias & CB)
    The Cat's Eye (20 ias)
    LoH (20 ias)
    GMB Faith (12 Fana)
    Gore (CB)
    Reaper's Toll (Decrep)

    Supplementary Equipments :
    Fortitude
    Ravenfrost
    Blood ring
    M'avina belt

    Merc :
    Guillaume
    Reaper's Toll (Decrep)
    Treachery

    Skills :
    20 MS/GA/Pierce & 17 Crit as baseline
    1 Penetrate cause ITD/GA
    1 MA cause Decrep from merc
    1 ice arrow as prereq
    - 80 skill points, 30 left

    Stats :
    108 Str
    152 Dex
    rest Vit
    Goal - High damage with Slow utility.
    Need - 50ias + 12 Fana & Decrep & Slow
    Got - 8fpa Multi/GA, ITD/Always hit, Slow
    Want - CB

    Necessary Equipments :
    Mav's diadem OR 2x Fervor (30 ias)
    The Cat's Eye (20ias)
    GMB Faith (12 Fana)
    Cleglaw's Pincers (Slow)
    Reapers (Decrep)

    Supplementary Equipments :
    Fortitude
    Ravenfrost
    Mav's Belt
    Blood ring
    Aldurs boots
    Harmony on switch

    Merc :
    Guilliaume
    Reapers
    Treachery

    Skills :
    20 GA/MS/Pierce/17 Crit/1 Penetrate
    1 MA
    1 prereq
    80 total -- 30 left.
    * by far the 'best', but not a pure bowa...

    Goal - High CB/Life/Damage/Slow
    Need - 15 ias + 14 Fana & 10 ias + 9 Fana on switch & Amp
    Got - 8fpa Multi/GA MB & 70% CB on switch & Amp
    Want - reliable PI solution, frw

    Necessary Equipments :
    Guillaume + Fervor (15ias, CB)
    MB Faith (14 Fana)
    Beast Cad on switch (9 Fana)
    Atma's Scarab (Amp)
    Gore rider (CB)
    Cleglaw's Pincers (Slow)

    Supplementary Equipments :
    Fortitude
    Ravenfrost
    Mav's Belt
    Blood ring
    Stormshield on switch

    Merc :
    Guillaume
    Pride
    Treachery

    Skills :
    20 MA/MS/Penetrate/Pierce
    17 Crit
    12 Dodge
    1 Avoid
    - total 110.

    Gear setup:
    1) CB
    Guilliaume (35CB)
    Beast (20CB)
    Gore (15CB)
    = 70 CB

    2) Amp
    Atma's

    3) Str from 97 raw
    Guilliaume (15 str)
    IK Belt (25 str)
    Beast (25~40 str)
    = 65 ~ 80 str
    156 - 97 = 59 str
    => Belt can be replaced with something dpending on roll. Rare FHR/Resist or String of ears?

    4)

    Beast Cad Pheonix Monarch
    Faith MB

    Cleg for slow / LoH for 20Ias & 350% demon (frees up helm socket)

    Ravenfrost
    Bloodring (do i really need it? Dual Leech/AR is fine i think)


    -- 10/0/-10 Faith Bow breakpoints
    Code:
    10 BOW (GMB)
        FANA 12 13 14 15
    FPA     
    11        0  0  0  0
    10        8  7  6  6
    9        24 23 22 22
    8        50 48 46 46
    7        99 95 92 92
    
    0 BOW (SHADOW)
        FANA 12 13 14 15
    FPA     
    10        0  0  0  0
    9        11 10  9  9
    8        32 30 29 29
    7        70 68 65 65
    
    -10 BOW (MB)
        FANA 12 13 14 15
    FPA     
    9         0  0  0  0
    8        18 16 15 15
    7        48 46 44 44
    
    Bow avg damage.
    GMB 43 avg dmg.
    Shadow Bow 37 avg dmg.
    Diamond Bow 36.5 avg dmg.
    MB 33.5 avg dmg.
    
    Simple damage calculation example :
    10fpa GMB, 9fpa Shadow bow, 8fpa MB.
    10 * 9 * 8 frames = 720 frames.
    GMB = 72 attacks => 43 * 72 = 3096
    Shadow = 80 attacks => 37 * 80 = 2960
    MB = 90 attacks => 33.5 * 90 = 3015
    
    15ias - 10fpa GMB > 8fpa MB with 14/15 Fana > 9fpa Shadow > 9fpa MB with 12/13 Fana
    20ias - 10fpa GMB > 8fpa MB > 9fpa Shadow
    25ias -
    30ias - 9fpa GMB > 8fpa Shadow with 13/14/15 Fana > 8fpa MB > 9fpa Shadow with 12 Fana
    35ias - 9fpa GMB > 8fpa Shadow > 8fpa MB
    40ias -
    45ias - 7fpa MB with 14/15 Fana > 9fpa GMB > 8fpa Shadow > 8fpa MB with 12/13 Fana
          * 7fpa MB max
          * at any higher ias, GMB/Shaow will always be better.
    50ias - 8fpa GMB > 7fpa MB > 8fpa Shadow
    55ias -
    60ias -
    65ias - 8fpa GMB > 7fpa Shadow with 14/15 Fana > 7fpa MB > 8fpa Shadow with 12/13 Fana
    70ias - 8fpa GMB > 7fpa Shadow > 7fpa MB
          * 7fpa Shadow max
          * at any higher ias, GMB will always be better.
    75ias -
    80ias -
    85ias -
    90ias -
    95ias - 7fpa GMB with 13/14/15 Fana > 7fpa Shadow with 12 Fana > 7fpa Shadow > 7fpa MB
    100ias - 7fpa GMB > 7fpa Shadow > 7fpa MB
    
    Conclusion :
    Disregarding CB/Proc and ability to move between shots;
    GMB is the best dps.
    At exactly 45ias and only then; MB > GMB > Shadow marginally.
    
    

    -- GMB breakpoints

    at exactly 20 ias, mb > gmb. @25, gmb > mb
    -- at @45 ias and lvl 14/15 fana or @50+ 7fpa on Mat bow (max).
    -- @ 45ias, 9 fpa on gmb.
    -- @ 50ias, 8fpa on gmb.
    => @exactly 45, with 14/15 fana, mb > gmb. else gmb > mb.
    -- just for refernece, @ 100ias, 7fpa on gmb. but not worth.

    -- magic only, rare only, craft only
    -- class set sept
    --[/FONT]

    https://www.diabloii.net/forums/threads/old-statistics-forum-faq.344501/#post-3742691 Diablo Stats

    nts lvl 96.
    /p8 RoF/2-seal runs
    per run
    - 5min~ runtime
    - 250k~ exp
    avg/h
    - 3m~ per hour. (peaks to 5m/h on 'good' 10min)

    [THE ITEM-ONLY SEPT] - One different type of item for each class.

    Magic, Rare, Unique and 4 different types of crafts conveniently adds to 7 for a sept.
    Set is for another. :D

    One type of item for every slot. White/Grey otherwise.

    Code:
    ITEM TYPE          .
    Magic              .
    Rare               .
    Unique             .
    Craft - Blood      .
    Craft - Hit Power  .
    Craft - Safety     .
    Craft - Caster     .
    
    

    [THE CLASS-SET SEPT] - Every class has a personalized set.

    One sept of class-specific set.

    Appropriate type of item wherever possible.
    Free range of items for rest of the slots.

    Code:
    CLASS        SET
    Amazon       M'avina's Battle Hymn
    Assassin     Natalya's Odium
    Necromancer  Trang-Oul's Avatar
    Barbarian    Immortal King
    Paladin      Griswold's Legacy
    Sorceress    Tal Rasha's Wrappings
    Druid        Aldur's Watchtower
    

    [THE BEAR SEPT] - Everyone wants to be a bear.

    Bears are fun. So here's a sept.

    Beast runeword on every class - even on druid.

    Code:
    CLASS
    Amazon
    Assassin
    Necromancer
    Barbarian
    Paladin
    Sorceress
    Druid
    

    [THE TOURNEY SEPT] - 7 Tourneys. 7 classes.

    One guardian from each tourney.

    Code:
    CLASS         TOURNAMENT
    Amazon
    Assassin
    Necromancer
    Barbarian
    Paladin
    Sorceress
    Druid
    

    1. Perf grail = too hard
    2. Eth grail = hard but doable. <---- do this.
    3. Affix grail? = OCD but doable.
    4. Cathan grail = nah. all about gambling. (mostly?) double check this. nvm. annoying, but doable?
    5. Ormus grail = just cause.
    6. Skiller grail = just cause.
    7.

    *nts that's 6. need 1 more.




    // nts[/code]
     
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    First of the project is one for the Title Sept.

    Presenting, Baron Baron.

    Baron.png

    He was played as Holy Fire Zealot in Normal, Holy Freeze Zealot in Nightmare, and Hammerdin in Hell. I will follow this trend on all my characters for this sept, and switch builds for each difficulty.

    Normal and Nightmare went by pretty easy thanks to Holy Fire and Holy Freeze.

    In Hell, I hit a brick wall against immunities. Due to the lack of elite gear, Cleglaw's set was gonna be my final gear, and it did not provivde nearly enough damage against the immunities. I had originally planned to go through Hell as Holy Thunder zealot, but seeing how poorly the Holy Freeze zealot did; I knew I would have too much trouble going forward. I wasn't too excited to play a Hammerdin, but it looked like I had no choice. Once I decided to switch to a Hammerdin, rest of Hell went by pretty easy; but it's surprising how well a Hammerdin does without any plus skills and without teleport.

    I stopped at Andy and farmed her as Holy Freeze zealot for the needed gears. I progressed through the rest of Hell with the gears stated below; but had I been playing HC, I would've definitely farmed long enough to finish the Iratha's set. In Classic, the resists and max resists provided by Iratha's set is quite invaluable.

    There were many deaths, mostly farming Andy, as I was getting tired of farming her and put on lots of mf gear and upped the players count. All in all, hammerdin is definitely not one of my favourite builds out there; and I am glad that I can cross him off my list of builds to play.

    Here are his final stats/skills/gear.
    STATS
    75 str - for tower shield.
    51 dex - for shard.
    50 energy - for slight boost to mana pool.
    rest in vit

    75 fr
    64 cr
    75 lr
    75 pr

    1k hammer dmg w/o concentrate
    4.9k hammer w/ concentrate

    SKILLS
    20 Hammer
    20 Concentrate
    20 Vigor
    9 Blessed Aim (rest will go here)
    3 Holy Shield (rest after blessed aim)
    1 Redemption
    1 Sanctuary
    and some prerequisites.

    GEAR
    Iratha's Coil
    Iratha's Collar
    Gold Wrap
    Chances(40)
    - would've used full Iratha's set had I found them.

    Spectral Shard
    Tower Shield with 3 PDiamond
    24 fhr, 7 life, 30 lr, 5 fr, 16 pr, 7 pdr breast plate
    20 frw, 32 cr, 10 fr, 9mf demonhide boots
    10% fcr, 21 lr, half freeze ring
    Stone Of Jordan - yes =D i found soj before i found rest of my iratha's lol
     
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    Where can you get pgs on the ground? Just HF quest and Andariel?

    Good luck with this project! Very ambitious.

    Edit: do gem shrines count as "finding on the ground"?

    Edit: ninja'd
     
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    @DiabloTwoinDC :
    Yup. And I guess Gem Shrines. It is indeed very ambitious. Although I do think most of these are possible/feasible - the 99er sept is.. well yes... ambitious. =P

    EDIT: Andy can drop perfect gems?? Never knew that.

    EDIT2 : on second thought, I wonder how likely it is that I find one Tyrael while grinding lvl 8.8 area to lvl 92~ on 7 characters?

    EDIT3 : this also means 2 Zods... one for the rune itself and one for the runeword... Please wish me luck everyone, I'll take all the luck I can get. lol
     
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    You're in for a long haul, good luck!

    I'm afraid it's quite unlikely you'll find it going from ** to 92, but if you push all the way to 99 with 7 characters, that might help :)

    You can check out the odds of grinding ancient tunnels exclusively in a spreadsheet here.
     
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    Getting to 92 on a character is an afternoon's work. Your odds of getting anything rare at all through leveling 7 characters to that point, let alone a Tyrael's or a Zod, probably round to 0.
     
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    @necrolemming
    @Albatross

    It seems i overestimated the difficulty of leveling a bit and understimated the difficulty of farming the two items greatly. That makes me reconsider my leveling geat to include some mf. After another look at the 99er thread, i am actually looking at lvl 98 on all 7 chars before the real challenge.

    We shall see which will take longer; the grail or the 99 sept. =P
     
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    For some perspective, it takes about 3300 p8 clears of seal bosses + minions + Diablo to level a character from 94 to 98.

    It takes 154000 of those runs to drop one Zod rune on average.

    You need two of them.
     
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    Ahahahaha cool! thanks i never realized the odds were stacked so heavily against me. Well, nevertheless, these goals are something ive set to 'finish' the game - ill be done with d2 when finished - so in one sense its a good thing itll take as long as it should. =)

    I had thought by the time i complete the 99 sept, everything else would easily follow. But by the looks of it, it seems i should rather aim for the grail instead. =P
     
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    Well, I've never done it, but I think 98-99 takes a similar amount of time as 1-98.

    If you're wired to find absurdly lofty goals motivating instead of discouraging, I'm all for it, but personally, I don't think I could handle the prospect of knowing up-front that the estimatable portion of the time commitment is something in the vicinity of 2000 hours playing at very high efficiency (including having to grind LK seven times for six Enigmas and at least six CtAs, assuming there's no sharing of items between characters), and that you'll still probably need to win the lottery three times afterwards.

    Just keep in mind that the quest effectively boils down to "find two Zods and a Tyrael's." You'll almost certainly have every other unique by the time that happens, and every rune below Zod is far more efficiently farmed just running Trav.
     
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    The ultimate goal of these projects is to 'finish' Diablo II. In my previous iterations of D2, I've always started with something similar to one of these projects, only to burn out and quit and return again with something else. And these multiple qutiting and returning to the game has gotten very tiring. This post is to stop myself from scratch each time and challenge myself to continue a smidge further. It's effectively a 'save point' for my D2 career. =)

    I am wired to find most of my motivation in the challenge of something new or something difficult and I find satisfaction and sense of achievement in fully completing said challenges. I do understand I am reaching for the stars here - three times at that. And the only reason these absurdly lofty goals aren't discouraging is because I know it is absurd - and therefore I don't see it as a challenge. These lofty goals will be broken into smaller challenges per "return" to the game; maybe something like 'get to 98 on necro' or 'find one zod'. For many years to come, theses projects will be more about how far I can get than actually getting there. You and I both know it is very unrealistic and near impossible - at least from where I am standing -, but I've set up this post so that any time spent playing the game is time spent towards completion. If there comes a day that I actually have done all I could think of and all that is left of my D2 career is to find the 2nd Zod, then perhaps I could persuade myself out of the 'as-is' rule on the runeword grail.
     
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    Nice to see an ambitious long term project that should keep you playing D2 for the next 10 years or so!

    One of the things I like about D2 is that I don't feel that I can never really "finish" it. There are so many different builds and so much gear ot be found. Then there is HC and SC, twinked and untwinked, questing, area running, single-pass, gear restrictions, no gear, skill restrictions, no skills, stat restrictions, no stats, going all the way to 99, and the possibilities end up being effectively infinite (although probably technically there are a finite number of ways to play the game). By the time you finish your list, I'm guessing that you will have found some more things that you want to do with the game.
     
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    Hahaha yes exactly. That must be the reason i keep coming back to d2. I have many other ideas in mind, but ive only listed what ive challenged myself to complete. While there are extremities of the game that i will not play - like not using stats skills or gears at all or things like time travelling -, a sept of chars like titan builds and randomized stats/skills or colour-restricted gear builds are still up in the air. Usual tourneys have rules like these, so im quite looking forward to participating in upcoming tournaments. =)
     
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    Quick progression update.

    I pushed my 99er Amazon to Hell for the MFO. She's currently sitting at lvl 87, and by the end of MFO she should be 90 or so. The readout of the stats/skills/gear will be posted after the MFO.

    The Holy Grail challenge now includes a number of each runes needed to make all the runewords in the game. I'll properly change the syntax with tabs later.

    After the MFO, I will probably move back to the Title Challenge and start up the Baroness or the King.
     
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    @Gynli It's cool to see your motivation, but I have to agree with @necrolemming. I would bet all my savings without thinking twice that you will never ever finish this. Not because it's impossible (comes close to it though) or because I doubt you, but because you will burn out long before, as any human being would. You will get discouraged quickly and may end up not achieving a single one of these goals, just because they're simply overkill.

    Why not just take it step after step and go with one untwinked 99er first, see how that goes -- and most importantly join us in the untwinked 99er thread? :)
     
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    Thanks! I acutally mentioned joining the untwinked 99er thread in the previous post but i edited it out. Plz do welcome me when i join after the MFO! =D

    In all honesty i dont think ill finish it either, at least for another decade. Its been mentioned before but this is mostly to keep my motivation up and to keep track. My previous plays in d2 has ended up with me setting up a goal similar to just one of the sub-goals in the op, playing like mad, and burning out real quick. Then I inevitabily call quits and delete all my progress. Its happened a couple times and i got fed up with myself lol.

    This post is a save point of my progression; all the goals independent of each other asides from the holy grail. Even the holy grail itself actually, if i think of each item as a tiny milestone.

    Ive set it up such a way because i 100% agree that i will burn out. Idk when, but i know i will inevitably call quits and delete d2 off my computer again =P. Nevertheless, D2 never fails to lure me back into play; ill continue along with the unfinished goals when im back. No more starting from scratch! -ish. everything is untwinked lol.

    My current goals for this playthrough, and im guessing the more realistic ones, are L98 on amazon - yes 98 cause i hear 98 to 99 takes just as long lol - couple chars for the title sept and one tourney participation. The grail is based on luck so im hoping it is simply a byproduct of the 99er sept. After that, ill probably go back to playing some other games like LoL and Counter-Strike for a good while. =)
     
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    For some reason I seem to have missed this one the first time around. So ... good luck !!!

    I'm not going to argue about the level of craziness of this project anymore, as this has been done by others already, and you made your point clear as to what your reasons and motivations are to do it the way you do. Crazy as it might seem, I can actually see myself trying to get to something similar in the very, very long run. I would have one change though, and that's not to do everything with the untwinked rule. It's already hard enough to spend all those hours grinding for xp, items and runes, that I wouldn't want to have to grind LK every time again to make yet another CtA, Enigma, Infinity, ...

    I would probably do this by pushing the 99ers as much as I can, and then when I get bored of that go for the titles or the tournaments. Even playing 7 characters to 99 won't probably give you all the items and runes you need for your challenge, but you will be quite close. From there on you'll know what to work on, and you'll probably have to farm Pits or AT for any leftover S/U and Travincal for required runes.

    O yes, thinking about it some more, I'd also enable the possibility to cube up gems and use socket quest and Cube to socket items. Again, this challenge is already tough enough as it is.

    As @Dezrok mentions, this is probably the main reason why we keep coming back to this wonderful game: we keep having things to do. And being a part of the SPF obviously helps in staying motivated, as there are always other crazy people one can use as an example to keep pushing :).

    People really shouldn't do this kind of challenges. Or at least not post about it. One moment I'm on a break from D2 to play the wonderful game Grim Dawn (interrupted for the MFO), next thing you know all I can think of is doing something like this myself, and spending the next few years on Diablo 2 and nothing else. And that's all your fault !!! ;)
     
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    I had originally thought by the time I finish the absurd 99er sept, I'd have finished the Holy Grail and then some. It seems I'm still quite underestimating the odds of Tyrael's and Zod dropping - but we'll see. =P

    Just to be clear, I am cubing up all gems and runes and using cubes in general for the 99ers. It's just for the grail I planned to do without. Perfect gems are not a problem; shrines and hellforges between 7+ chars will provide plenty. In terms of runes, I definitely want to see at least one Zod drop in my D2 career; I'm just not sure of the 2nd. If it really comes down to it - long log down the road when i've completed this insane 99er sept - I will cube up the 2nd Zod to make the BotD. =P

    I'll gladly take the blame! You are welcome to challenge me. =P

    EDIT: Now that i think about it, isn't there a holy grail thread? Or am i thinking of the perfect grail thread...
     
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