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Gynli's sept projects progression thread

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  1. Gynli

    Gynli IncGamers Member

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    On this iteration of my return to D2, I decided it's time I try and 'finish' D2. So this time, I am in it for the long haul.

    This multi-year project is all of what I haven't done before; and is something I know I will leave and come back to many times before completion. Hopefully this thread becomes somewhat of a motivation for myself to press on.

    [TITLE SEPT]
    Obtain every possible title in the game.
    I first came across this challenge while lurking the forums; and I will be playing a version of this sept that includes only the Hell-completed titles. I also will be playing different classes for each of them.

    Rules :
    a) All waypoints obtained. All quests completed - including Cow King.
    b) Self-found and no extra stash. Muling off allowed.
    c) Any player settings, reruns allowed.
    Code:
    TITLE/NAME	CLASS		LEVEL	PROGRESSION
    Baron		Paladin		73	COMPLETED
    Baroness	Sorceress	21	Act 1 - Normal
    King		Barbarian	1	Act 1 - Normal
    Queen		Amazon		1	Act 1 - Normal
    Patriarch	Druid		1	Act 1 - Normal
    Matriarch	Assasin		1	Act 1 - Normal
    Guardian	Necromancer	1	Act 1 - Normal
    
    Last progression update : Oct 27 2017

    [99 SEPT]
    Reach level 99 on every class in the game.
    I decided on this sept while reading through the 70-something pages of 'revenge of the 99ers' thread. Obviously this will be the most time-consuming sept; but definitely something I need to complete if I want to say I 'finished' D2.

    Rules :
    a) All waypoints obtained. All quests completed - including Cow King.
    b) Self-found and GoMule as extra stash.
    Code:
    CLASS/NAME	LEVEL	EXP
    Amazon		95	2.49
    Assassin	24	-
    Necromancer	1	0
    Barbarian	1	0
    Paladin		1	0
    Sorceress	1	0
    Druid		1	0
    
    Last progression update : Feb 23 2018

    [TOURNEY SEPT]
    Particiate in forum tourneys with every class.
    Code:
    CLASS		NAME	TOURNAMENT	PROGRESSION
    Amazon
    Assassin
    Necromancer
    Barbarian
    Paladin
    Sorceress
    Druid
    
    Last progression update : Oct 27 2017

    [THE HOLY GRAIL]
    Obtain every item in the game.
    I am including all gems, runes, and runewords for the grail; but not any items unobtainable in 1.14d. Also, all gems, runes and runewords - for the purpose of the grail - will not use the cube/larzuk. This means, all gems, runes, and bases for the runewords will have to be found as-is on the ground.

    Rules:
    a) All items are found by the characters in the projects above.
    b) No item in the stash can be taken back out once put in.
    c) Any duplicate items will be given away.
    d) Runes for runewords can be cubed.
    e) Runes for grail cannot be cubed.
    f) Bases for runewords must be superior.

    I've tallied up the required runes to make all the runewords in the game.
    RUNE TOTAL
    El 8
    Eld 6
    Tir 14
    Nef 6
    Eth 12
    Ith 6
    Tal 7
    Ral 10
    Ort 9
    Thul 8
    Amn 12
    Sol 11
    Shael 9
    Dol 7
    Hel 8
    Io 6
    Lum 8
    Ko 10
    Fal 5
    Lem 8
    Pul 7
    Um 10
    Mal 13
    Ist 7
    Gul 6
    Vex 7
    Ohm 7
    Lo 10
    Sur 7
    Ber 8
    Jah 10
    Cham 3
    Zod 1
    Code:
    
    
    Last progression update : Oct 27 2017

    I am open for any tips and suggestions in playthrough and any possible additional projects.
    Good luck to me! =D
     
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  2. Gynli

    Gynli IncGamers Member

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    First of the project is one for the Title Sept.

    Presenting, Baron Baron.

    Baron.png

    He was played as Holy Fire Zealot in Normal, Holy Freeze Zealot in Nightmare, and Hammerdin in Hell. I will follow this trend on all my characters for this sept, and switch builds for each difficulty.

    Normal and Nightmare went by pretty easy thanks to Holy Fire and Holy Freeze.

    In Hell, I hit a brick wall against immunities. Due to the lack of elite gear, Cleglaw's set was gonna be my final gear, and it did not provivde nearly enough damage against the immunities. I had originally planned to go through Hell as Holy Thunder zealot, but seeing how poorly the Holy Freeze zealot did; I knew I would have too much trouble going forward. I wasn't too excited to play a Hammerdin, but it looked like I had no choice. Once I decided to switch to a Hammerdin, rest of Hell went by pretty easy; but it's surprising how well a Hammerdin does without any plus skills and without teleport.

    I stopped at Andy and farmed her as Holy Freeze zealot for the needed gears. I progressed through the rest of Hell with the gears stated below; but had I been playing HC, I would've definitely farmed long enough to finish the Iratha's set. In Classic, the resists and max resists provided by Iratha's set is quite invaluable.

    There were many deaths, mostly farming Andy, as I was getting tired of farming her and put on lots of mf gear and upped the players count. All in all, hammerdin is definitely not one of my favourite builds out there; and I am glad that I can cross him off my list of builds to play.

    Here are his final stats/skills/gear.
    STATS
    75 str - for tower shield.
    51 dex - for shard.
    50 energy - for slight boost to mana pool.
    rest in vit

    75 fr
    64 cr
    75 lr
    75 pr

    1k hammer dmg w/o concentrate
    4.9k hammer w/ concentrate

    SKILLS
    20 Hammer
    20 Concentrate
    20 Vigor
    9 Blessed Aim (rest will go here)
    3 Holy Shield (rest after blessed aim)
    1 Redemption
    1 Sanctuary
    and some prerequisites.

    GEAR
    Iratha's Coil
    Iratha's Collar
    Gold Wrap
    Chances(40)
    - would've used full Iratha's set had I found them.

    Spectral Shard
    Tower Shield with 3 PDiamond
    24 fhr, 7 life, 30 lr, 5 fr, 16 pr, 7 pdr breast plate
    20 frw, 32 cr, 10 fr, 9mf demonhide boots
    10% fcr, 21 lr, half freeze ring
    Stone Of Jordan - yes =D i found soj before i found rest of my iratha's lol
     
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    Where can you get pgs on the ground? Just HF quest and Andariel?

    Good luck with this project! Very ambitious.

    Edit: do gem shrines count as "finding on the ground"?

    Edit: ninja'd
     
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    Gynli IncGamers Member

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    @DiabloTwoinDC :
    Yup. And I guess Gem Shrines. It is indeed very ambitious. Although I do think most of these are possible/feasible - the 99er sept is.. well yes... ambitious. =P

    EDIT: Andy can drop perfect gems?? Never knew that.

    EDIT2 : on second thought, I wonder how likely it is that I find one Tyrael while grinding lvl 8.8 area to lvl 92~ on 7 characters?

    EDIT3 : this also means 2 Zods... one for the rune itself and one for the runeword... Please wish me luck everyone, I'll take all the luck I can get. lol
     
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    You're in for a long haul, good luck!

    I'm afraid it's quite unlikely you'll find it going from ** to 92, but if you push all the way to 99 with 7 characters, that might help :)

    You can check out the odds of grinding ancient tunnels exclusively in a spreadsheet here.
     
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    Getting to 92 on a character is an afternoon's work. Your odds of getting anything rare at all through leveling 7 characters to that point, let alone a Tyrael's or a Zod, probably round to 0.
     
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    @necrolemming
    @Albatross

    It seems i overestimated the difficulty of leveling a bit and understimated the difficulty of farming the two items greatly. That makes me reconsider my leveling geat to include some mf. After another look at the 99er thread, i am actually looking at lvl 98 on all 7 chars before the real challenge.

    We shall see which will take longer; the grail or the 99 sept. =P
     
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    For some perspective, it takes about 3300 p8 clears of seal bosses + minions + Diablo to level a character from 94 to 98.

    It takes 154000 of those runs to drop one Zod rune on average.

    You need two of them.
     
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    Gynli IncGamers Member

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    @necrolemming
    Ahahahaha cool! thanks i never realized the odds were stacked so heavily against me. Well, nevertheless, these goals are something ive set to 'finish' the game - ill be done with d2 when finished - so in one sense its a good thing itll take as long as it should. =)

    I had thought by the time i complete the 99 sept, everything else would easily follow. But by the looks of it, it seems i should rather aim for the grail instead. =P
     
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    necrolemming IncGamers Member

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    Well, I've never done it, but I think 98-99 takes a similar amount of time as 1-98.

    If you're wired to find absurdly lofty goals motivating instead of discouraging, I'm all for it, but personally, I don't think I could handle the prospect of knowing up-front that the estimatable portion of the time commitment is something in the vicinity of 2000 hours playing at very high efficiency (including having to grind LK seven times for six Enigmas and at least six CtAs, assuming there's no sharing of items between characters), and that you'll still probably need to win the lottery three times afterwards.

    Just keep in mind that the quest effectively boils down to "find two Zods and a Tyrael's." You'll almost certainly have every other unique by the time that happens, and every rune below Zod is far more efficiently farmed just running Trav.
     
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    @necrolemming

    The ultimate goal of these projects is to 'finish' Diablo II. In my previous iterations of D2, I've always started with something similar to one of these projects, only to burn out and quit and return again with something else. And these multiple qutiting and returning to the game has gotten very tiring. This post is to stop myself from scratch each time and challenge myself to continue a smidge further. It's effectively a 'save point' for my D2 career. =)

    I am wired to find most of my motivation in the challenge of something new or something difficult and I find satisfaction and sense of achievement in fully completing said challenges. I do understand I am reaching for the stars here - three times at that. And the only reason these absurdly lofty goals aren't discouraging is because I know it is absurd - and therefore I don't see it as a challenge. These lofty goals will be broken into smaller challenges per "return" to the game; maybe something like 'get to 98 on necro' or 'find one zod'. For many years to come, theses projects will be more about how far I can get than actually getting there. You and I both know it is very unrealistic and near impossible - at least from where I am standing -, but I've set up this post so that any time spent playing the game is time spent towards completion. If there comes a day that I actually have done all I could think of and all that is left of my D2 career is to find the 2nd Zod, then perhaps I could persuade myself out of the 'as-is' rule on the runeword grail.
     
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    Nice to see an ambitious long term project that should keep you playing D2 for the next 10 years or so!

    One of the things I like about D2 is that I don't feel that I can never really "finish" it. There are so many different builds and so much gear ot be found. Then there is HC and SC, twinked and untwinked, questing, area running, single-pass, gear restrictions, no gear, skill restrictions, no skills, stat restrictions, no stats, going all the way to 99, and the possibilities end up being effectively infinite (although probably technically there are a finite number of ways to play the game). By the time you finish your list, I'm guessing that you will have found some more things that you want to do with the game.
     
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    @Dezrok

    Hahaha yes exactly. That must be the reason i keep coming back to d2. I have many other ideas in mind, but ive only listed what ive challenged myself to complete. While there are extremities of the game that i will not play - like not using stats skills or gears at all or things like time travelling -, a sept of chars like titan builds and randomized stats/skills or colour-restricted gear builds are still up in the air. Usual tourneys have rules like these, so im quite looking forward to participating in upcoming tournaments. =)
     
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    Quick progression update.

    I pushed my 99er Amazon to Hell for the MFO. She's currently sitting at lvl 87, and by the end of MFO she should be 90 or so. The readout of the stats/skills/gear will be posted after the MFO.

    The Holy Grail challenge now includes a number of each runes needed to make all the runewords in the game. I'll properly change the syntax with tabs later.

    After the MFO, I will probably move back to the Title Challenge and start up the Baroness or the King.
     
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    @Gynli It's cool to see your motivation, but I have to agree with @necrolemming. I would bet all my savings without thinking twice that you will never ever finish this. Not because it's impossible (comes close to it though) or because I doubt you, but because you will burn out long before, as any human being would. You will get discouraged quickly and may end up not achieving a single one of these goals, just because they're simply overkill.

    Why not just take it step after step and go with one untwinked 99er first, see how that goes -- and most importantly join us in the untwinked 99er thread? :)
     
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    @ffs

    Thanks! I acutally mentioned joining the untwinked 99er thread in the previous post but i edited it out. Plz do welcome me when i join after the MFO! =D

    In all honesty i dont think ill finish it either, at least for another decade. Its been mentioned before but this is mostly to keep my motivation up and to keep track. My previous plays in d2 has ended up with me setting up a goal similar to just one of the sub-goals in the op, playing like mad, and burning out real quick. Then I inevitabily call quits and delete all my progress. Its happened a couple times and i got fed up with myself lol.

    This post is a save point of my progression; all the goals independent of each other asides from the holy grail. Even the holy grail itself actually, if i think of each item as a tiny milestone.

    Ive set it up such a way because i 100% agree that i will burn out. Idk when, but i know i will inevitably call quits and delete d2 off my computer again =P. Nevertheless, D2 never fails to lure me back into play; ill continue along with the unfinished goals when im back. No more starting from scratch! -ish. everything is untwinked lol.

    My current goals for this playthrough, and im guessing the more realistic ones, are L98 on amazon - yes 98 cause i hear 98 to 99 takes just as long lol - couple chars for the title sept and one tourney participation. The grail is based on luck so im hoping it is simply a byproduct of the 99er sept. After that, ill probably go back to playing some other games like LoL and Counter-Strike for a good while. =)
     
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    For some reason I seem to have missed this one the first time around. So ... good luck !!!

    I'm not going to argue about the level of craziness of this project anymore, as this has been done by others already, and you made your point clear as to what your reasons and motivations are to do it the way you do. Crazy as it might seem, I can actually see myself trying to get to something similar in the very, very long run. I would have one change though, and that's not to do everything with the untwinked rule. It's already hard enough to spend all those hours grinding for xp, items and runes, that I wouldn't want to have to grind LK every time again to make yet another CtA, Enigma, Infinity, ...

    I would probably do this by pushing the 99ers as much as I can, and then when I get bored of that go for the titles or the tournaments. Even playing 7 characters to 99 won't probably give you all the items and runes you need for your challenge, but you will be quite close. From there on you'll know what to work on, and you'll probably have to farm Pits or AT for any leftover S/U and Travincal for required runes.

    O yes, thinking about it some more, I'd also enable the possibility to cube up gems and use socket quest and Cube to socket items. Again, this challenge is already tough enough as it is.

    As @Dezrok mentions, this is probably the main reason why we keep coming back to this wonderful game: we keep having things to do. And being a part of the SPF obviously helps in staying motivated, as there are always other crazy people one can use as an example to keep pushing :).

    People really shouldn't do this kind of challenges. Or at least not post about it. One moment I'm on a break from D2 to play the wonderful game Grim Dawn (interrupted for the MFO), next thing you know all I can think of is doing something like this myself, and spending the next few years on Diablo 2 and nothing else. And that's all your fault !!! ;)
     
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    I had originally thought by the time I finish the absurd 99er sept, I'd have finished the Holy Grail and then some. It seems I'm still quite underestimating the odds of Tyrael's and Zod dropping - but we'll see. =P

    Just to be clear, I am cubing up all gems and runes and using cubes in general for the 99ers. It's just for the grail I planned to do without. Perfect gems are not a problem; shrines and hellforges between 7+ chars will provide plenty. In terms of runes, I definitely want to see at least one Zod drop in my D2 career; I'm just not sure of the 2nd. If it really comes down to it - long log down the road when i've completed this insane 99er sept - I will cube up the 2nd Zod to make the BotD. =P

    I'll gladly take the blame! You are welcome to challenge me. =P

    EDIT: Now that i think about it, isn't there a holy grail thread? Or am i thinking of the perfect grail thread...
     
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