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Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by SaroDarksbane, May 3, 2011.

  1. stillman

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    I misread the title, and I am very disappointed.
     
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    Me, too. A porn thread without porn, with old men talking about it instead.
     
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    Well to be honest, I thought the "Gun" in the title was another word.
    I love puns.
     
  5. SaroDarksbane

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    Who ya callin' old?! =P



     
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    Re: Gun Porn

    In WW2, old men built this:

    http://3.bp.************/_RXKVjtRHGDY/S7rBKmLIV1I/AAAAAAAAD_U/PzT8_7_i7ec/s1600/crewlargest_2.jpg

    We've got the biggest! History showed that size didn't matter, however.
     
  7. TurbulentTurtle

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    Dude, you've been here since '03. There are kids on this planet who have been born later than that date.



     
  8. SaroDarksbane

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    I'm seriously considering Aimpoint's new P.R.O. model. Great price point for an Aimpoint, especially since it includes a mount and supports NV, which I know a lot of more expensive Aimpoints don't.
    Trivially true!



     
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    This is the oldest I've ever been.
     
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    And the youngest you'll ever be!



     
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    It seems that Spike may have improved its QC and manufacturing process in the last few months. I wasn't aware, however, that they've attempted to conform to the TDP in areas were it matters the most in their latest iteration of rifles (though as I mentioned, they seem to be much better than many other AR's on the market). That being said, this is a recent development, and BCM, from top to bottom, has always proven its commitment to quality and performance. Their lower receivers are built with selected parts from various manufacturers (you can ask Paul about this) and each upper/BCG bears the very obvious marks of HPT testing. I'm not sure if you checked for this when inspecting your new rifle.

    Also, if it makes a difference, Grant (one of the few BCM distributors out there right now) mentioned that Paul decided to stop selling uppers and BCG's COMPLETELY back around 2007 or so simply because the quality of steel wasn't readily available then (can't find the thread ATM, you can ask Grant for verification). For a company to stop selling a product simply because the quality isn't there should tell you something - and so should the fact that BCM guns have been very proven by those who probably shoot many more thousands of rounds a year than both you and myself combined in a lifetime.

    It may turn out that Spikes may some day be seen as equivalent to a top tier manufacturer. But at the price they're at and without the proof, I'd remain skeptical as I would of any company. For them to provide the level of testing and manufacturing that they claim at 20% below the price of companies like Colt, BCM, DD, or LMT (who have been doing it for much longer and have more experience with it), I'd be interested in seeing how they actually do what they claim. But again, you certainly could have done much worse based on the number of AR malfunctions I see at local ranges here. :smug: I'm rather certain that the Spikes will serve you well, despite your carbine M4 profile barrel. :wink:

    Do you have any questions about the physics or operation of the weapon system? Thankfully, figuring out how the AR works isn't magic, and is only a matter of understanding how the parts function together such that the weapon operates as it should. Many people simply replace parts or make "improvements" without actually understanding that the gun was built as a system, and that each part serves a certain purpose to a certain extent, and that modifying a single part can affect the operation of the entire system.

    As for EOTechs, I like the reticle to some extent (a little blurry with my vision, but my vision is horrible), but the weight, battery efficiency, and reliability over many models sold me on the AP for CQB. Also, in my experience, Aimpoints have a smaller parallax problem. Although my sample size is incredibly small, for my Aimpoint, POA and POI differ until around 5-10 yards or so. For the Eotech I tried, it differed until about 20-25 yards. With the larger CQB reticle, this may not make a difference (especially given the small sample size), but take it as you will.

    I don't have NV support on my AP and it's a non-issue. The reality is that quality NV is too expensive for most civilians to purchase without a very very good reason (particularly since white light renders color and improves vision much more significantly, at the expense of exposure - a non-issue for most civilians), and most, if not all Aimpoint models have night vision settings. They just don't have the optical coating to ensure maximum efficiency. But again, a non-issue. Furthermore, the T1 supports night vision, and if you want a lower price point at the cost of NV, you can get the H1.

    In my experience however, weight = bad. Heavier guns tire you out faster and are less fun to shoot over time, which decreases your tendency to practice. Front heavy guns are also slower to move on target. So when I look for systems these days, I look for the lightest ones available, and the T1/H1 on a LT mount are among the lightest, most reliable, and long lasting optics on the market today with the reputation to support them.



     
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    You seem to be pushing BCM a lot....

    What is your recommendation on obtaining them, since their website isn't even taking order forms due to the massive backlog? I guess one could always try hunting the upper/lower from different places off the web, and thereby avoid the excise tax.

    Little daunting for shoppers new to all this, that want to just buy the fully assembled rifle directly from them.




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    https://www.topgunfirearmsandtacticalsupply.com/bcm-m4-carbine-mod-p-408.html
     
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  15. SaroDarksbane

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    Nice, Bob. :thumbsup:
    The bolt is HPT/MPI marked.
    Well, the only way to go from "skeptical" to "trusted" is if people use the rifles. :thumbup:
    That was pretty much the conclusion I reached too. Especially re: the battery life. 600-1000 hours vs 30,000-80,000 hours (depending on model) is just no contest.
    No doubt it will be for me too, but I threw it out there anyway.
    Mod's not lying; BCM is top notch. You can't go wrong with equipment from BCM.
    Wait until they aren't backlogged. ;) It's usually a few weeks for delivery, I think.

    The owner of http://www.gandrtactical.com is a good guy to go through. I'm not too keen on buying guns from websites I don't know and trust. That's another reason I bought mine in person: so I could look it over beforehand and make sure everything was on the up and up. I actually passed up another local dealer because something didn't sit right with me about his business.



     
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    That's because BCM has proven its commitment to quality and customer service. They do not produce junk and in the very rare circumstance they ship out a bad product, they will take care of you. There are many great companies out there, like Colt, LMT, DD, Noveske, etc. BCM is my choice because of the high value of the purchase, but DD is on par in that respect. LMT, Colt, and Noveske tend to be a bit more expensive, but are good choices.

    The 16 LW ML BFH upper is available now, and the LW ML guns are GREAT choices for AR. I haven't seen the complete guns (mostly because I'm not in the market), but you should be able to get what you need from BCM or GRTactical (a BCM dealer). With the upper group and a complete BCM lower, you should be able to assemble the rest yourself without tools.

    If you can't, you need to learn how because it's an important part of maintaining your rifle anyhow. You just need a complete lower (GRTactical has these), an upper group, BCG, handguards, and rear sight. Excluding ammo and mags, that should have you set up with a basic carbine that will serve you very well.



     
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    Well, many barrels are marked 5.56, but they are not. Like many industries, markings and marketing don't mean too much.

    An HPT'ed bolt will have brass shavings on the bolt face from the overpressure round. If your bolt face doesn't have that yellowish color on its face, I'd be skeptical that it was HPT'ed individually (it may have been batch HPT'ed). You'll see that BCG's from BCM, Colt, and LMT (in my experience) have this signature from the HPT testing.

    Easier said that done, particularly with the price of ammunition these days.

    Factor in the cost of lithium batteries with the Eotech. Alkalines are a very bad choice for the optic, though I'm not sure how Eneloops perform. They'll likely have a lower runtime with the power the optic needs.

    The T1/H1 is an outstanding, and more importantly, light weight optic. Carry your gun around during a 4 day training class or the like and you will quickly appreciate the value of light weight.



     
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    I kid...

    But kiddie gun porn
    :sorry:
    Rule 34
     
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    I bit the bullet, and ordered a Spike's Tactical mid-length. It's coming from Florida along with some Magpul furniture, and then I'll be picking up a Grip Pods bipod, a sling, still gotta look into a soft carry-case, and then some kind of optic. Leaning towards a Vortex Strikefire since this will be for civilian plinking ;-)
     
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    S'pose I should throw out an update:

    Bought an Aimpoint P.R.O. for it.

    Been at the range with the rifle three or four times now. Had some problems initially getting it to feed correctly (casings were being ejected, but the next round would frequently get jammed up against the feedramps pretty hard, especially when the mag was close to full). It took it in to Spike's, and they said they thought the bolt might be cycling faster than the mag. They replaced my bolt, my buffer, my buffer spring, and my two pmags just for good measure.

    It's run perfectly ever since. :thumbsup:
     

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