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Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by SaroDarksbane, May 3, 2011.

  1. SaroDarksbane

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    Gun Porn

    (Mod88, I summon thee!)

    So after a few months of research and agonizing over the details, I finally bit the bullet (*rimshot*) and picked up an M4.

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    It's a Spike's 16" Carbine with a 7" free-floated BAR. Buying the rifle got me some free range time too, so I shot about 100 rounds to break it in. I'll be going back again out this week to put a few hundred more through it.

    And then comes the fun part: Accessories. :thumbup:

    First up would be some nice optics. I tried out an Eotech for the first time the other day and I was in love, but I don't know much about the various models and features. Anybody have some good experience with optics who wants to recommend me some gear?
     
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    If Only Smeg was around this page would be splattered with images.

    I have posted my pick before will add a link

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    thanks to its specially designed trigger / hammer system and extremely low barrel axis, as the gun fires from the bottom chamber of the cylinder, rather than the top one. It must be noted that while this setup is quite rare, it is not unique - the Mateba Unica revolver also fired from the bottom chamber, as well as the Russian OTs-38. The overall layout of the revolver is optimized for concealed carry, with cylinder made with hexagonal (rather than round) cross-section, to made the gun thinner. The low barrel axis also helps to manage recoil, as its force goes straight back into the shooter's palm, and does not cause the muzzle of the gun to jump up, as it happens with traditional revolvers where recoil force is applied above the holding points, causing the gun to rotate up (jump) under recoil. The result of this layout is that the Rhino revolver has somewhat complex trigger setup.
    The Rhino revolver is a double / single action revolver with swing-out cylinder. Frame of the gun is made from "Ergal" aluminum alloy; cylinder, barrel and other important parts are made from high quality steel. Reloading of the cylinder is achieved by swinging the cylinder to the left, then pushing the ejector rod to extract all six spent cases at once. Once chambers are empty, fresh cartridges can be loaded into cylinder, individually or using the speedloader. Loaded cylinder then is snapped into the place and locked. The cylinder latch lever has unusual location, as it installed at the top rear of the frame, co-axially with the cocking lever ("false hammer"). To unlock the cylinder for opening operator must push the latch lever forward with his thumb.
    The trigger setup is unusual as it features fully concealed hammer which is located inside the frame. To provide "Single Action" firing mode with manual hammer cocking before each shot, Rhino revolver is fitted with cocking lever ("false hammer"), which is placed at the top rear of the frame, where traditional hammer is usually located on conventional revolvers. This cocking piece / "false hammer" is connected to the concealed hammer via push link. To **** the hammer in the Single Action mode, operator must pull the spur on the cocking piece / "false hammer" back as far as it will go, and then release it. This movement will **** the concealed hammer via internal linkage, but the cocking piece / "false hammer" will return to the forward position once it is released. For Double Action firing, operator can pull the trigger as usual, and this will first **** the internal hammer and then release it at the end of the trigger pull.
    In teh basic "concealed carry" version. the "Rhino" revolver is fitted with fixed open sights. Longer barreled versions will be available with fixed or adjustable sights.


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    A 357 revolver that has a lot of unique features.
    Hold it right and don't go off half cocked
     
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    i've never fired a gun.... :( nice, Saro.
     
  4. SaroDarksbane

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    And you're in Texas?? I thought they kicked people out for that! =P



     
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    i know. lol! we had guns in the house that were locked away, but pretty sure my mom was afraid me and my sibs shoot more than an eye out. >.>


     
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    Somehow I always thought of you as the "walk softly and carry a big stick" type Saro. I guess that would be said big stick? It sure is purty.
     
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    Ugggh.... I shudder at the thought of that.

    We had tons of guns around the house growing up, and we were taught from an extremely young age how to fire them, maintenance them, how to hunt, and how dangerous they could be. Knowing from an early age to never point a gun in anyone's direction, and all guns are considered loaded unless you have just disassembled it yourself and it's in pieces, were key to making sure there were no accidental shootings by us young'ins >.>


     
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    Only fired 12 Gauge shotgun, 22 rifle, and a Korean war military service colt 1911 to Dad's qualified standard while growing up, and a bow.
    Later when my Bro was a Petty Officer in SD Navy training running kid's through basic I got to go to the range with him and shoot stuff.
    It's a tool.

    I remove or lock them in the house nowadays, with the risk of teenagers and thieves or accidental misuse it's only smart.

    It's more a in case of disaster like whats happening in Alabama after the tornadoes.

    Curfews etc.
     
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    Well, I dunno if a 5.56 round is really a "big stick", but yeah, it's a good looking rifle. :thumbup:
    Indeed. I find that logic to be sensible for most subjects, actually. Take the opportunity to teach kids, and don't just assume they'll never need the knowledge in the first place.



     
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    Why. :( Should have just gotten a BCM/DD/LMT/Colt. At the prices these days there's no real excuse for getting anything less than a TDP compliant weapon at the minimum. But hey, at least you didn't get a Delton. I would have been sad about having to kill you. :grouphug:

    As for an optic, the Aimpoint T1 is my favorite CQB optic by far. More details upon request.
     
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    Like all industries, the firearms market is driven by supply and demand - cracking the TDP isn't like breaking into Ft. Knox. If consumers demand quality on par with the TDP, we will have it. If consumers demand quality superior to the TDP, we will have it. If consumers continue to demand made in China-quality crap, we will continue to have that too. Regardless, we would all do well to find some sort of middle ground between milspec and not. The TDP is a safe way to manufacture a rifle, but that doesn't mean it's the best. I'm sick of people worshiping anything that's 7075, Type III Class I, shot-peened, MPI tested, MP proofed, blah, blah, blah. Material names and manufacturing processes don't mean anything - if you can make a gun out of balsa wood and Bubblicious that will out-perform a Colt, I'll buy a dozen. Rifles produced in accordance with the TDP are a good baseline for performance, but nothing more.
     
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    I thought in Texas, you get a free gun everytime u buy alcohol. -source family guy
     
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    Yea.. I just don't get it. I can understand perhaps being a little Elitist, especially if someone was ex-military and/or willing to spend a lot more dough on one rifle than most others would consider spending...

    But I spent the better part of the night reading reviews on that Spike, and they all ranged from Glowing to Very Good. Why even bother dishing on his nice purchase, despite the fact that it might not have been your own personal first choice?

    As for me, I was very impressed by all I read, and it's got me very tempted to pick one up (my friend recently bought a Colt, and when we go shooting in the desert he is dragging along 10+ guns/rifles, and I bring just one :( After trying some of his rifles I've realized I am missing much fun by only having my Glock. Not to mention, what about the upcoming Zombie Apocalypse??? Gotta be ready, dangit)
     
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    rifles are no good for zombies gotta get shotguns.
     
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    I did a lot of research prior to my purchase. From everything I could discern by pouring over a couple years of facts and opinions by people who have owned Spike's and who have talked one-on-one with the manufacturer, Spike's was initially mediocre (and used mediocre parts. DPMS, for example), but they've since stepped up and started making a quality product at a great price. They use 11595E steel in the barrel, they HPT and MPI both the barrel and the bolt, their FSB is F-marked and parkerized underneath, they use a 1/7 twist, etc. Before I purchased it, I checked for myself that the gas key and castle nut were properly staked, and that the feedramps were cut correctly. About the only thing that's "non-standard" is Spike's buffer, which I'm told uses a tungsten powder instead of solid weights (a gimmick no doubt, but I haven't found anything to suggest it hurts anything over a standard H-buffer).

    Also, Colt is way overpriced compared to BCM and LMT (which were definitely on my list as well). The Gunfighter looks like a damn good charging handle, though, so I'm sure they'll end up with some of my money in the end. =)
    Request!



     
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    In the Zombie Apocalypse, what good are guns gonna be when you run out of bullets?

    *sharpens machete*
     
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    If by middle ground you mean mil spec or better, I absolutely agree. The TDP does not mean best. It was developed and changed after decades of use and experience with the platform and is currently the minimum acceptable standard for military use.

    For all the crap the government gets for being inefficient and lousy, what should we say of products that the government deems "not good enough for government work"?

    The reality is that guns made out of balsa wood and bubblicious will not out-perform a Colt. That like anything, there are varying grades of quality and construction. If you may some day trust your life to your rifle, you may as well get the best you can for what you can afford, and the price difference these days ain't so big. Your last comment is true, bearing in mind that many AR producing companies do not even meet that baseline by a wide margin.

    Quality rifles can be had for around 1k. And properly maintained, they will last tens of thousands of rounds and will function more reliably and for a longer period of time under a wider variety of conditions than rifles that are not built to any standard. To save a couple hundred bucks for a rifle that may have issues with it down the line or isn't built to a standard is penny wise, pound foolish, in my opinion. Odds are you are going to be with that rifle for a long time or sell it at a loss, so if you're going to drop a few hundred bucks, you should do it right. I think Saro could have done MUCH worse than he did, particularly because of the value of a lightweight midlength these days.



     
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    Spikes uppers are fine, but for another hundred or so I'd rather take a step up. I'd take a Spikes over most other manufacturers back a year ago, but these days, I haven't kept up with them.

    Thankfully, guns are actually engineered, so someone like myself usually stands a much better chance of understanding them than even people who carry them on a daily basis.

    Yes, the Spikes buffer is a gimmick, and not a very good one IMO. The buffer is supposed to do two things - act as a counterweight to the bolt carrier group on its rear travel, slowing it down and ensuring proper bolt unlock timing and carrier speed, and acting as a secondary bolt locking mechanism on its forward return.

    The Spikes buffer fails to do the latter and can exacerbate bolt bounce. When that action spring returns the carrier forward, you have a mass (carrier and bolt) that are coming forward at a relatively high velocity. The bolt will essentially slam into the barrel extension and lock into place as the bolt rotates. But due to the nature of its momentum, it will not just hit the barrel extension and stop - it will also have a tendency to bounce backwards. Thankfully, the engineers accounted for this equal and opposite reaction by having sliding weights in the buffer. As the bolt locks into the barrel extension, the weights in the buffer (which slide back as the carrier stops at the end of the receiver extension) continue to slide forward due to their momentum. As the bolt bounces back, the weights in the buffer slide forward, giving an extra oomph to the carrier to help ensure the bolt locks into place.

    Will the bolt bounce cause you issues? Maybe, but probably not, and if so, probably not until your action spring gets a lot weaker (which can be easily solved by replacing it as a PM measure). But there's no reason to have a buffer that MAY cause issues AND is probably not of the correct weight for your system anyway (I'm not sure which you have, but ST buffers tend to be inconsistent in weight). Of course, ST buffers, due to the lack of sliding weights, can in theory reduce felt recoil, but it's probably going to be negligible and should be secondary to an optimally functioning weapon system.

    The BCMGF is a great charging handle, but not for soft paws. You'll get used to it though, and AFAIC, there is no better charging handle on the market today. Most people won't break a quality stock charging handle, but it's because most people don't train enough with malfunction drills.


    Finally, the T1. Four awesome things about it, at least.

    1. Light. Superlight, in fact. People who stick a bunch of a crap on their guns usually don't carry them for very long or don't shoot off-hand. Guns get heavy if you're not shooting off of a rest, and that fatigue affects your ability to shoot and makes it less pleasant to do so, which makes you less likely to use it for longer training sessions. Newbies also don't like the weight (which is why I'm a big proponent of light-weight barrel profiles). Weight is bad. Bad bad bad.

    2. Obscene battery life. Kills the competition, end of story. Requires only one battery that will last you years.

    3. Aimpoint durability and consistency. Nuff said. Aimpoints are built to last.

    4. Wide field of view. It's a small optic. You can see more with both of your eyes open. Seeing more is better.



     
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    A step up in what way? What makes a BCM upper (for example) better than a Spike's? I haven't seen anyone able to answer that question satisfactorily for Spike's current manufacturing process.
    From the looking around I did on the subject prior to my purchase, I actually heard someone make that claim that once, but he was unable to substantiate it when pressed. I guess if I do have a problem with it, it's $20 and 30 seconds to fix. Good link though, and thanks for the recommendation. What do you think of EOTechs?



     

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