Guide: WS K Amazon

craftyy

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Guide: WS K Amazon

One idea I haven't seen explored is a Silence bow with some Multi to spray the gloams and blind them - the resists on that would really help (and would allow for a reliance on 2xpD Moser's on Jav switch) and you could FA them at your leisure once they don't see you.
The main issue there would be actually hitting things with your multi. Charms are dedicated to resists, stat points are dedicated to vitality, and no skill points are in penetrate
 

frozzzen

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Guide: WS K Amazon

Slow Missile ftw :)

Decoy + run in and Slow Missile everything around you. Then you can pick on Gloams with no problem at all. Harmony could help you to run in faster and slow everything down. T-God's seems like solid choice as well.
 

bodry

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Guide: WS K Amazon

I'm very surprised you're having this issue. FA freezes Gloams. Frozen Gloams don't shoot bolts.
The problem with Gloams are that they like to move and spread out in a room invisibly. So you have to hunt them down one by one. Decoy might help, but that IMO is not enough.

Try Tgods.


 

Animation

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Guide: WS K Amazon

@greebo: Well, the Gloams usually shoot me from way off screen before i ever see them, so I dont usually even have time to switch over to my bow before I'm frantically just trying to hit the ESC key to save and exit before I die (so I dont have to pay for my merc rez). Decoy often makes it worse since casting it ahead triggers all of them to shoot down the hall. Even when I cast her ahead and to the side, sometimes they were off to the side as well, so the lightning still comes straight at me.

I do have a level ** pure blizzard sorceress with max resists, max block, +6 skills and around 300% MF (or 250% or so if I dont weapon switch). Where are the Ancient Tunnels? I guess I'll google it. Should I run Ancient Tunnels on Players 3 like I do Hell Meph? I guess I can experiment with it.

@robbyD: I can't make a Silence bow. I don't have a Vex, and in fact I am pretty poor, being in single player mode. I have only seen 1, maybe 2 Ists in my entire career of playing Diablo 2. If hell meph doesn't drop it, I probably don't have it.

@all: thanks for any ideas or even encouragement, and thanks for taking the time to respond.

BTW, what is the minimum amount of MF that would be worth my time?

Oh and as an aside, I really just want the Natalya's Mark and the Earthshifter maul. I'm sure the other top items are awesome, but I wanted to make a druid based on the elite maul with +7 to elemental skills (there is a guide for it) and I'd like to complete my Nat's set. Anything else is a bonus.

OK, that's all for this post. Thanks again! :)
 

Greebo

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Guide: WS K Amazon

It's been a while since I run WSK with a Fishyzon. I don't recall having such problems and I'm not really sure why at this point. Weird. Maybe the mercenary is what makes the difference? I think I went Holy Freeze.

I've found a Death's Fathom and 5 Griffon's, and no Earthshifter yet. It's a hard item to find.

Ancient Tunnels is one of those extra areas, entrance to which is located in the Lost City. /p1 is my recommendation.

This is a video by Corrupted, showing how AT is done: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3zHcuxgVvQ, but since that doesn't fit in this thread, if you have some more questions, I suggest you start a new thread and ask them there.
 

Animation

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Guide: WS K Amazon

A Thundergod's helped, even though my lightning resist is only 76% now (75 without). :) The lightning absorb let me kinda have time to react, but it was still uncomfortable.

Anyway I'm gonna give the Ancient Tunnels a run.

Thanks!
 

Nightfish

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Guide: WS K Amazon

Some twitch skills help, too. Like, gloams will always fire right at you. They're not going to anticipate your movement so as long as you don't stand still 24/7 or run right at them, they can't hit you. If there's a lot of them, shoot, move, shoot, move, etc.

Still, the only time they should give you trouble is if they're sporting conviction. That can really mess up your day.
 

Entwilighter

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Guide: WS K Amazon

I just took this character into Hell. She's incredibly fun, and switching between bow and javelin feels so stylish. Surprisingly, I find I relish the areas with both lightning immunes and cold immunes.

Something I noticed when running NM Meph was that FA is really handy at a lower level for freezing Dolls but NOT killing them, giving you time to run a few yards away to avoid having them blow up in your face. I found they became a lot more dangerous once I started pushing FA while Meph running. If you're going to spend some time on NM Meph with this build (re: looking for Titan's) I'd actually suggest saving your points until you move on, and pumping FA up in NM Act 5.

Anyway, great build and great guide, Nightfish. Thanks for this.
 

Corale

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Guide: WS K Amazon

Thanks for the guide.

I just started playing again and this character made my second mat/pat. Other than a really hard fight with the ancients (which I think would have been impossible without decoy, would love to hear how people do without), and my merc dying all the time to IM once I twinked over a Reaper's Toll from my blizzard sorc stuck in act 4 of hell, it went pretty easily. Looks like it'll be a really fun character to play.
I'm without, and I don't do! Does anyone else have a good tip on getting the ancients down with this build, just me and the merc?


 

Ugla

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Guide: WS K Amazon

If I switch out to thundergod's vigor (I'm using an upped Goldwrap now) will that help me? I dont have a ton of magic find, so if I would only have 93% magic find (with my upped Goldwrap, I have 123%).
It seems the extra MF doesn't get much use, as the gloams promptly chase you out :wink: Unless your runs are consistent, do not bother with MF. You did well switching to TGods.

OH and in case it matters, my gear is WWS and Titans/Stormshield for weapons (pdiamond in stormshield). Tal Rasha headgear with ptopaz (24% MF). Smoke in Loricated Mail. Upped Goldwrap. Crescent Moon amulet. Raven Frost. Generic 15 resist all ring. Lava Gout. War Travellers (36% MF). Gheeds (28% MF). MF charm (5%). And lots of resistance charms.
I suspect even a very short gambling session would improve your gear by miles. Your damage comes from +skills and pierce!

First of all, ditch the WWS. This bow is mediocre even on builds it was "designed" for (Strafers, MS-zons). I know it has resists, but you can fix them in slots where getting +skills would be far more expensive. Try e.g. Kuko, it drops every now and then, has +3bow skills and 50% pierce, which gets you to 99% with mere +3 to passive tree.

Note that you barely do any physical damage to leech from. This means your amulet is about as good as +45 to mana. Try gambling a rare with +1zon skills and some resists. Getting gloves with +2bow/something useful is also doable. You can use Enchant from Demon Limb - it has higher level and lasts the entire run, which makes the charges affordable. Use some lower level character to gamble boots with FRW and dual resists if needed. This takes a little longer, but it can be done. As for the helm, discount the leech and compare with other choices..

@strategy: the key moment is to shoot groups of gloams before they spread out to multiply your damage through piercing. A well placed Decoy makes them shoot rather than reposition. Take one step to the side (to get away from the merc-gloams axis) and take them out. You cannot freeze them as Greebo suggests (Hell gloams have 0% chill effectiveness), but you can certainly kill them..



 

Entwilighter

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Guide: WS K Amazon

Okay, so I Matriarched (my first Mat) her a few nights ago and have started WS K runs. She's already paid off as far as I'm concerned, finding a Griffon's in WS K and a Lo in the Pit last week. Fun stuff! Anyway, I have some feedback, comments and general thoughts:

The Ancients were a cinch once I switched out Insight for a Hone Sundan. I had been really clinging to Insight for much of her game, but when battling bosses you're CSing which is much less mana-intensive than LF/FA, so it works fine. Kelpie vs. Baal is also awesome, but we should all know that.

I played around with the Griffon's but I just didn't like the mana deficit it left me with. I was potting every few seconds, even with Insight. Fury killed quickly, but it kills quickly anyway, so I went back to Shako. She's easy on the eyes in Griffon's though. ;) You use Griffon's, don't you Nightfish? Do you socket up a bunch or Tirs/MPK jewels or something?

Also, shout-out to Wizendraw. I played with a +6 Melody Mat for a while, but again I was struggling with mana. I put a Shael in my -32 Wiz (a -34 one dropped shortly after socketing it, of course), and find this kills WS K Lightning immunes at pretty well the same rate, and is much less mana-intensive if you're having problems with that.

Anyway, again, really fun build.
 

Nightfish

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Guide: WS K Amazon

You use Griffon's, don't you Nightfish? Do you socket up a bunch or Tirs/MPK jewels or something?
Probably. Shako is just too damn ugly so I try not to use it if at all possible. I don't have my saves handy to check, though. To be honest, the griffins makes no real difference in terms of efficiency. Once everything dies almost instantly it's hard to improve beyond that.

Offhand I know I socket Ort Runes in armour if I need more LR, PTopaz if my MF is under 200 and if neither of those applies I use a plain Ruby.

I never used mana per kill things on my zon beyond what came naturally on gear. Then again, I'm not too lazy to pick up and use blue pots if I cannot / will not use an insight merc.



 

AwesomeDude

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Guide: WS K Amazon

This is a fantastic build. I switched over my furyzon in A2 Hell once she hit that brick wall called the Maggot Lair filled entirely of LI scarabs, and luckily I'd had a Wizendraw drop for me already. Not only did I clear that stuff with ease, but I took a side trip into the Ancient Tunnels afterward, and one of the first things to drop was a +3 skill 3 OS Mat. bow! Of all the luck, huh?
 

Sigh

Wizard Moderator
Re: Guide: WS K Amazon

After reading this guide last week I've got a Lv. 78 'Zon and it's pretty much the fastest-killing most BA character I've played. Lightning Fury = 15 dead creatures. On players 8. One click.

GJ :)
 

HuMaNsUcK

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Guide: WS K Amazon

Nightfish,
Do you prefer this build running the WSK over a necro or any others?

Im looking to make a WSK runner as i just started Single Player and i am debating this or a necro
 

Nightfish

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Guide: WS K Amazon

Both work fine. It's more of a preference thing. I could probably think of at least 10 builds that all do a pretty good job of it.
 

Sigh

Wizard Moderator
Re: Guide: WS K Amazon

Just out of curiosity, what level/how many +skills are you at? I feel like my killing speed is much lower than it should be, but I'm not sure if it's because I don't have 'enough' or because I was expecting WSK to be a cakewalk :p

My gear is the standard Titan's/Shako/Razortail, gloves are +2 bow / 20 IAS, Highlord's Wrath instead of Mara's, using Lycander's Aim until 3os bow drops.

I'm at slvl28 while wielding javelin, 30 while wielding the box. Lightning Fury works as advertised but the bow is sooo slow - is melody that much of an improvement or was I just expecting too much from FA?
 

Kretschmer

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Guide: WS K Amazon

Have you tried a Wizendraw? It'll increase your damage substantially if enemy resists are your problem.
 

Nightfish

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Guide: WS K Amazon

No, FA is not on par with one of the Top5 skills of D2. Obviously. If it were, that would be the cookie cutter skill. The mindset you need when you look at FA is "What is the best thing I can have to kill LIs?". The answer is: FA by a landslide. Also, try using LF was 3-4 targets. It is not going to be as fast as FA vs 3-4.
 
Top