Guide: How a Summoner Kills A summoner

BoneHonnor

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Guide: How a Summoner Kills A summoner

---BoneHonnors Skelly Prison Tactic---

Description of this method:

*good for low and mid level duels, and great for making small spaces for boners and poison necros to have min damage done to them from tele summoners.*


Necros are my favorite player in d2. Never played any other characters completely. I think there boring. I have with my commando necro been in many low and mid level duels, and nearly won ALL of them. I lost to runners and sorc. I only lost 5 times to pallys and barbs, and thats because they where 20 lvls higher! When I was 40 something, I loved challenging 50's and 60s. Not anymore now that I am 75 lol!

The point is, I have learned a lot from dueling Without teleport. And my favorite duels *besides barbs* is necros. :) One day I went against a higher level summoner with max in all skellies and masters. (60 something, I was 40.) I decided to pull a trick I learned to pull on runners earlier.

---How to Kill a Summoner---

When Running out side of say blood Moor, Go way out, about 2 screens away. Don't puppy guard the gate. Its not only honorable, its good for this tactic too.


Low-mid duelers and Summoners vr Summoners:

First thing You want to do is Unleash any bone spells u have, no matter what level they are. For Some reason, this physcs the fishmancers or summoners minds, and thus they like to sweep left or right, or will go right behind there armys. They also slow down on there pace to you. This is what you want.

Next if you have time, cast some bone walls FAR away from you randomly. This makes it hard for your skellies and his to move around. DON'T WORRY about this. :) This is a mind game still. Its wise to do this with some investments in bone wall so it will last longer. *Besides, every necro should have investments in synergies for bone armor, its a Necros 2nd best friend. :)*

While the necro starts to break from his pocket (because He is trying to stay behind the biggest group of his minions) curse all his minions with iron maiden, then cast bone prison around the SMALLEST section of the group, or the one that is divided. This is good, because he will keep moving with the larger part towards your own army. Then prison the army only if you can help it, and then prison him. Cast this a few times so there is no wiggle room. Even if he decrypts your skellies, his ones are getting hurt bad (higher iron madian the better) this is where you unleash bone spells on him. They will be bad, but trust me, this freaks the crap out of a summoner. If you are bone, This is even Better.

Then summon Fire Golum right next to him and keep shooting at him. Run around a little and constantly recast bone prison, but don't do that anymore on him! Its important for him to run because you can keep walling him in with bone wall and dividing any remaining skellies OR for you to go after him and attack him with melee if you are a close fighting necro, without the cost of his minions on you! :)

Boners vr Tele Summoners:

These guys are tough to beat if you are a boner. But again, like above, cast bone walls and bone prison everywhere. Because You have fast cast rate, you can still once in a while cast a BS or spear on him. The goal is to litter the field with bone walls so when he does tele on you, only a small part of his army can hit you (say you tele behind a wall and he teles on top of you, (pushes the summoner behind you or the wall :) )

You will now have less of the damage taken, and you can still cast bs or spear and have it go right through the walls! Iron Madion on Skellies, and Amp on Summoner. This makes him weaker to magic, giving u the uper hand, while he freaks out about his minions.)

Also, the Skellies WILL ATTACK the walls! Less damage thus to you! :) This battle will be long, but its a game of cats and mice. Tele Summoners have the advantage over boners because of there meat wall, but Boners have the advantage of bone skills. Use that to your advantage!!!! :)

Posion Necros vr Tele Summoners:

same thing as above for boners, but simply shoot some bone walls and keep tele'n behind walls you made and blasting nova. Better yet, go into an area full of minions. The skellies get distracted for a second, and as a added bonus, you can use poison explosion, which at its max can do up to 9k on any body use use it on! Watch the summoner tele right into it :)

Conclusion:

In Retrospect, Summoners can be some of the toughest pvp duelers out there, epically commando necros. Of course this can only be the case when they have teleport. With these tips I hope I can provide more challenge and key swapping methods for necros of all types when they fight one another. :) If I took this idea from anyone who already posted this guide before, I am sorry. :( I looked, but I am alas a noob. Please forgive my ignorance if such is the case. I hope you guys have fun, and help others out with your experience too!!!

-Peace,

-BoneHonnor
 

canudig

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Re: Guide: How a Summoner Kills A summoner

maybe post this in the PvP forum? And I thought bone prision was considered BM? (matter of perspective I guess)
 

BoneHonnor

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Re: Guide: How a Summoner Kills A summoner

I thought this was a necro place to help people use them and such :/ sorry, I am still a noob. :( I feel bad if what you say is true. :/

-BoneHonnor
 

canudig

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Re: Guide: How a Summoner Kills A summoner

no worries....but from what I hear bone wall is BM against non-tele chars?
 

BoneHonnor

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Re: Guide: How a Summoner Kills A summoner

no worries....but from what I hear bone wall is BM against non-tele chars?
I don't understand why not. :/ I use it all the time and no one complains. People are faster then me, and AI for summons is dumb. Wall makes up for it. Also, People with tele are very tough, and bone wall does not effect the game that much. Only for summoners really because of what I said with the above. So In all I think it is fair.


With regards to my first post, does anyone think that was at all helpful?


----Little Off topic----

Also, I don't know if linking is allowed, but I have not gotten any help so far with my other thread I made asking for help. Since I can not bump, this seems the logical step to me. The link is here:

http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?p=6242642#post6242642


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I thank you all for your input and help! Take care!

-BoneHonnor


 

thefranklin

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Re: Guide: How a Summoner Kills A summoner

You are all over the place with this. First you are a lld summoner, then all of the sudden you have a high iron maiden as this (which you won't).

Then you are a boner with high FCR, then you are a melee necro.

Also, Amp does not make characters weaker to magic. Read around before posting and you wouldn't make those kind of mistakes.

If you want to do a guide, make sure the guide has a purpose and follows it. Also, it helps to spell everything right, especially the skills of the necro. Not knowing how to spell "golum" and "madian" make you seem like a noob to necros, and why would anyone listen to you then?
 

canudig

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Re: Guide: How a Summoner Kills A summoner

well I believe CE is half physical, half fire damage? So then if you Amp you lower opponent's physical immune and therefore raise CE......
 

thefranklin

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Re: Guide: How a Summoner Kills A summoner

BoneHonnor said:
You will now have less of the damage taken, and you can still cast bs or spear and have it go right through the walls! Iron Madion on Skellies, and Amp on Summoner. This makes him weaker to magic, giving u the uper hand, while he freaks out about his minions.)
That is what I was talking about.

canudig said:
well I believe CE is half physical, half fire damage? So then if you Amp you lower opponent's physical immune and therefore raise CE......
That is correct, but OP didn't ever bring up CE. He brought up Poison Explosion, in which the curse he would want to use would be LR. And I really hate it when people do the stupid ... thing. The best is when you join a game on accident and they ... you for joining, classic.
 

BoneHonnor

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Re: Guide: How a Summoner Kills A summoner

You are all over the place with this. First you are a lld summoner, then all of the sudden you have a high iron maiden as this (which you won't).

Then you are a boner with high FCR, then you are a melee necro.

Also, Amp does not make characters weaker to magic. Read around before posting and you wouldn't make those kind of mistakes.

If you want to do a guide, make sure the guide has a purpose and follows it. Also, it helps to spell everything right, especially the skills of the necro. Not knowing how to spell "golum" and "madian" make you seem like a noob to necros, and why would anyone listen to you then?
Well for your information, I was helping All common types of necros fight summons. If I was all over the place, why don't you help me out with some suggestions instead of criticizing eh? To me, as the author of this, I see it as something that makes perfect sence. I certinly hope you are not like that in the real world, as per say, letting someone to hang and dry, and then chasting them for following for it when if you gave some suggestions, it could have been avoided, or none the least, a better situation.

Thanks for the spelling point outs, but I have you know, I am very bad with english spelling.

Perhaps I should correct the tittle of the guide? :)

On the AMP thing: I was told that Amp makes you weaker to all attacks. You take 100% more damage of what ever it is then you normally would have. I have personally tested this when i cast amp on a monster, and then use bs to kill them, vrs no amp at all. Perhaps I was seeing things though?

To summarize, I don't mind criticism at all; so long as it is constructive and not so much abrasive or seemingly hostile to some, such as myself. Prehaps that was not your intentions, and it was just a mutual misunderstanding, but thats how I took your post. It will be none the less interesting to see your next post regarding all the points that I brought up. :)

Thank you guys for your input!

Peace,

-BoneHonnor

PS: I am a summoner, and I have high Iron Maiden. Even before, I did, because of + to skills. ;) My iron was 300% before I got Trangs gloves. So I beg to differ with that too. But alas, it will be interesting to hear your experience too. :)


EDIT: I take back what I said about hostile. A while ago I was a lil touchy. But none the less the post was less then helpful, for it was quick to point out problems, but lacked a lot of suggestions to remedy the problem. Just my 2 cents.


 
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thefranklin

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Re: Guide: How a Summoner Kills A summoner

Don't worry, it is very easy to be hostile on a computer, but I can be like that in real life too, haha. Sorry about the spelling comments, I thought after I posted that you might not be a native English speaker, and you know how us Americans can be about that :smiley:.

The iron maiden comment was hoping you didn't put points into it.

If the title was how a commando kills another necro, that would make it more understandable. I don't think you can edit the title. And if you have found the commando guide on the strategy compendium, use that as a backbone to enhance your guide a bit. The all over the place was because you kept calling yourself different types of necros, which made me think you had all of these different kinds of characters.

Amp reduces physical resistance only, and I think bone spear/spirit are 100% magic attacks. I am not the most knowledgeable on that, but find the guides on being a bonemancer/dentist, I am sure reading through those will help.


I have played several summoners, and I found it was easier to play after I had some wealth accumulated, mainly in the form of enigma. Then I threw an infinity on the merc (act 2 might), and that is all you need. The skeletons will hit every time due to infinity's -defense, your CE does almost double damage due to -resist, and your merc gets that first kill really, really fast. It turned into my favorite mf'ing character because it could melt every monster off of the screen, any in the game.

Another thing that is nice, is that once you get a higher level you can start making insight golems. Then you have infinity and meditation running, which is non-stop pvm fun. Until then, just make an IG out of whatever you can get a hold of. IK maul is a good choice, because people who meph a lot will just give those away, and its a free 40% cb.
 

Ed from Russia

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Re: Guide: How a Summoner Kills A summoner

I like the subject of the guide, but am wondering ...

If you're (say) lvl 30, you can either have strong skeletons (max RS, some points in SM, some one-pointers), or you can have bone skills. You mention putting points in bone wall and other bone skills, and you also talk about Iron Maiden so you also want to invest in curses. So what will the optimum skill setup be?
 
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