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  1. GSX

    GSX IncGamers Member

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    GSX-BowZon

    rite now making a bowzon, heres what ive come up in mind so far:

    skills:

    20 guided
    20 strafe
    20 penetrate

    50 points to raise any skills i like, imma thinking in critical strike and pierce, so i guess ill raise pierce to lvl 20 so i get at least 85% chance (without counting + skills) and as far as it seems i can max critical strike so ill see what i can do:

    atributes, str to carry gear and form there on, +2 dex // +3 vit

    my gear will be:

    helm: Stealskull Casque with a Ferver Jewel in it (+15% IAS) (10% IAS + 5% life/mana stolen per hit) even though i may be using andys visage

    Weapon: Brand Gran matron Bow

    Armor: Chains of Honor

    Gloves: Laying Of Hands

    Belt: Gold Wrap ( may think of verdungos but i like the 10% IAS on gw)

    Boots: Shadow Dancers (+25 Dext)
    Rings: 2x 20 dext Raven Frost Ring

    Amulet: The Cats Eye (+25 to dex // +20% IAS)

    my mercs gear:

    Weapon: Faith (i think she can use a gran matron bow rite?)

    armor: chains of honor

    helm: dunno :S3

    question, deadly strike stacks with critical strike?

    thats simply it, i get at least 100% IAS with this gear

    now comment
     
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    Re: GSX-BowZon

    No. But she can use non-ama Faith.

    Use Razortail and have only 1 point in Pierce.

    Swap CoH for Fort.

    Swap Shadow Dancers for Gores or Travs.

    Swap merc's CoH for Fort too. Why would you want stacked res on a merc??

    Lvl 99 char? That's pretty ambitious. I never aim for higher than 90 for a new character class.

    Also, unless you're some dead serious pker, don't max guided.
     
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    Re: GSX-BowZon

    im usign coh for resistances... this is a pvm zon...

    shadow dancers are for the dext+, with this gear i get around +100 to dexterity, meaning i do 100% more damage

    and brand boosts my dmg to demons around + 500 being 300 ed as runeword and another 200% dmg to demons :)

    mercs coh its for the life leach and resistances

    u get what i mean?
     
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    Re: GSX-BowZon

    Damage-wise, nothing beats Gores or Travs. The competition is between these two, Dancers don't even come close.

    As a PvM bowa, monsters should drop like flies before they even see you. So why resists? Just look at the sheer number of base vita bowa builds.

    % dmg to demons is not the same as % dmg on weapon applied to demons. It's actually much less. So 300 ed + 200 to demons does not mean 500 to demons.

    Get some leach on your merc's helm. Gaze, Andy's, whatever. With Fort she should have more than enough res anyways, I really don't see why you're throwing in an extra hr. CoH on most mercs is a waste.
     
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    Re: GSX-BowZon

    GSX never mentioned the % dmg to demons on weapon, they ment from coh/loh. Toss your merc a trechory/gaze and she will be fine. With your gear I would use gores for your boots. I'm not sure what the bps will be, but you might wanna take a look at those and adjust your gear more.
     
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    Re: GSX-BowZon

    According damage - look here

    It should get you to reconsider your gear. GMB with perfect roll will give you avarage 189.2 weapon damage. WF on clvl 93 makes 281.5.

    These numbers are basis which is multipied av all factors as dex, +x% to demons , +%ed in gear etc.

    + 300% ed in Forti is equal 300 dex. (yes, well - dex givs some ar, i know, I know)

    Talking about boots... Cow King's Hooves would do better for an ama than shadow dancers :rolleyes:

    more than 1 point in GA is a nonsense.
    more than 1 point in Pierce is a nonsense.

    In the gear you listed you got 75 IAS (25 helmet, 20 amu, 20 gloves and 10 belt) and let´s say 30 IAS from Fana. Yoru really SHOULD use Raisortail, so it´s only 95. You got 5 too much or 25 too little. I would rather say 25 too little.

    CoH is another nonsense - on your main or on your merc - doesn´t matter. Treachery would be much better and Forti rules - of course.


    "question, deadly strike stacks with critical strike?"

    DS% and CS% doesn´t simply add!!! The formula is:

    % chance for double dmg = CS% + (100%-CS%)*DS%

    By the way - CS slvl 20 gives just 68% - not 85. Deminishing returns makes it meaningsless to get this skill higher than to slvl 10 (after +skills) imho.
     
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    Re: GSX-BowZon

    the fact about coh its the life leach, and dancers, well with this gear imma get +100 dex with my gear, and i really think imma need dext so my strafe would work... i kno i should kill monsters fast, but in hell with no resistances i die, and i mean it theres just no way i can live :S...

    well i was thinking on critical strike and pierce skills so i dont need to get those in my gear, + with my gear i get around 111 IAS this way

    Andariels visage +20% (i can add a socket with a jewlel with 15% IAS)
    Belt +10%
    amulet +20%
    Faith +31% (i mean the lowest faith)
    Gloves +20%
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    increased speed = 111 %
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    life leach around 20% with coh and andys
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    + dext

    shadow dancers +25
    amuelt +25
    raven frost rings +40
    --------------------
    dext +90 (meaning +90% ed)
     
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    Re: GSX-BowZon

    Oh, boy - look at break points tables! 111IAS doesn´t make any sense. Throw away freakin Goldwrap and equip Razortail GODDAMNIT!

    You can get resists from charms. I just can´t understand how an amazon with this kind of firepower can be killed in pvm. The only things which can kill her with elemental attacks are souls.

    Oh - one thing more - You said nothing about points in Valky. Put 20 natural points there and stop your resist-obsession :laugh:
     
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    Re: GSX-BowZon

    And learn to use decoy properly, what a skill... love my decoy! :heart:

    Have you tested the Brand/Faithmerc setup at all? It should work fine endgame pvm even with the items you listed in the first post I think.



     
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    Re: GSX-BowZon

    nope, i havent tested the brand faith, but i will, i can get to the 8 frames bowazon, with this gear

    Helm: M'avina's True Sight with 15% IAS jewel = 45% IAS

    Weapon: Windforce = 20% IAS

    armor: COH

    GLoves: Laying of hands = 20% IAS

    Belt: Nosferatus Coil = 20% IAS

    Boots : shadow dancer

    rings: ravenfrost

    amulet: The Cats Eye = 20% IAS

    IAS Total = 125

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    mercs lvl 12 fanatism: 31 % IAS

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    My total IAS: 156% IAS

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    I Get Around 20% life leach if i socket an pskull in windforce and around 14% mana leach. ill test them, and based on results ill make a new char, with exact stats for gear and the best equipment.
     
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    Re: GSX-BowZon

    **** that table is *****d, so it means with lvl 13 fanatism, with a -10 speed bow i need 80 ias to get 7 frames?

    can u explain me a little lol
     
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    Re: GSX-BowZon


    The number of the left is the frames it goes on normal attacks (ie. guided, multi)

    The number of the right is the frames it goes on strafe attack.
    ie. 15/4 = 15 frames with normal attacks / 4 frames on strafe

    Weapon: Long Battle, Long War, Reflex, Gothic, Large Siege, Ceremonial, Hydra, Grand Matron, Crusader

    frames IAS

    15/4: 0 to 4
    14/4: 5 to 10
    13/3: 11 to 21
    12/3: 22 to 34
    11/3: 35 to 55
    10/3: 56 to **
    9/3: 89 to 119
    9/2: 120 to 146
    8/2: 147 to 285

    Btw - lenk to Kijas tables you got from NASE works for me and you really should check it.



     
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    Re: GSX-BowZon

    well if this info is accurate, then ill still get the 147 ias, ill hit the 2 frames :D... even though i wanted to use brand... now this is with -10 speed bows rite? but -10 speed bows got a faster attack than the others? also i think superior bows can bring a increased speed bonus rite?

    now i hit the 2 frames with 147 ias, but in strafe its the same, so ill have guided arrow at 9 frames and strafe at 9 so i guess ill be able to use my gear thx
     
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    Re: GSX-BowZon

    two frame strafe doesnt exist.
     
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    Re: GSX-BowZon

    The number of the right is the frames it goes on strafe attack.
    ie. 15/4 = 15 frames with normal attacks / 4 frames on strafe

    Weapon: Long Battle, Long War, Reflex, Gothic, Large Siege, Ceremonial, Hydra, Grand Matron, Crusader

    frames IAS

    15/4: 0 to 4
    14/4: 5 to 10
    13/3: 11 to 21
    12/3: 22 to 34
    11/3: 35 to 55
    10/3: 56 to **
    9/3: 89 to 119
    9/2: 120 to 146
    8/2: 147 to 285

    doesn it mean that 8 frame normal attack its a 2 fram strafe attack?

    and i can get the 8 frame normal attack if i get a 20% ias ring in my gear, and i think they exist rite?
     
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    Re: GSX-BowZon

    it's a myth. two frame exists only client side. you see 2 frame, but serverside it's not as fast. because of this it's pointless to have faster than 9/3 strafe.

    wouldnt life be so much easier if 20ias rings did exist? ie. no they dont.



     
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    Re: GSX-BowZon

    well ur write, then ill have to change my gear... :s
     
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    Re: GSX-BowZon

    Dude, I dunno if you've played a bowazon before or if you're new to them like me but I was under the same mind set as you before. I tried stacking tons of res small charms to get max res and I even think I tried using chains of honor on her. The fact is, when I switched my equipment around to what I have here:

    http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=661829

    I don't have to worry about res because nothing is getting close to me to die.
    Heck, some stuff that does get close, my merc and valk come to my rescue and kill. As long as you can keep those two meat shields alive, you don't have to worry about much of anything. Killing faster is the key.

    I'm trying to rework my bowazon if you read the thread above.

    Not trying to threadjack but I just wanted to put my $0.02 in because it seems like you were under the same impression I use to be.
     
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    Re: GSX-BowZon

    No.

    10 chars.
     

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