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Griffons or M'avina's diadem?

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  1. Zelator

    Zelator IncGamers Member

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    Griffons or M'avina's diadem?

    Hello, I currently got a lvl 85 Java (1mm from 86).

    She uses mavina diadem with 15 IAS jewel, which workes pretty well. Just wondering, would griffons be better? I dont have any infy.

    (I actually made this post since its my number 100):cool:

    Zelator
     
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    Re: Griffons or M'avina's diadem?

    yes ofc griffons is better :p skills +dmg - resist itll help alot
     
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    Re: Griffons or M'avina's diadem?

    But doesn't the diadem help a lot with dmg???

    45% IAS = much faster CS attacks, or?

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    Re: Griffons or M'avina's diadem?

    It can reach a point its: You don't need to CS as much with the damage boost vs CSing faster with less damage. Plus the -res mod helps ALOT. Its the same reason I keep Tstrokes on switch for bosses or high life monsters.

    My Zon has a grand total of 10 IAS. I dont particulary like it, but with a near 8k (iirc) CS, I don't usually need to CS much to kill a monster.

    Griffon's all the way.
     
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    Re: Griffons or M'avina's diadem?

    Depends, does the Mav's hit the 95 IAS breakpoint for you and the Griffon's not?
    If so, then you consider it.

    If not, then Griff's all the way.
     
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    Re: Griffons or M'avina's diadem?

    It depends on the setup. Most likely, a Griffon's will be be better than the Mavina's. Relevant breakpoints are, for a -10 weapon (Matriarchal Javelin), 30, 52, and 89. With a Titan's, I would expect at least the 52, but with Thunderstroke, the 89 is a little easier. Of course, with Griffon's, that limits the IAS you get from the helm slot. My favorite setup for a pure lightning javazon is as follows.

    Titan's Revenge / Thunderstroke
    'Sanctuary' Hyperion or Stormshield / Jeweler's Monarch + 2 IAS/RES + 2 Lightning Facets
    Griffon's Eye + IAS Jewel
    'Chains of Honor' Dusk Shroud
    +3 Javelin + 20% IAS gloves or +2 Javelin + 20% IAS gloves with misc stats and res.
    Thundergod's Vigor
    Sandstorm Trek
    Ravenfrost
    Rare Dual Leech with misc stats, res, and/or life.
    Highlord's Wrath

    Something like that, if you can afford it.
    I add enough FHR charms to hit the 52% bp, have stacked resists with Torch + Anni, hit the 52% IAS breakpoint with Titan's and the 89% IAS breakpoint with Thunderstroke.

    Lucky
     
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    Re: Griffons or M'avina's diadem?

    My gear is (if I remember correct, I'm not at home atm):

    Mavina helm with 15% IAS jewel
    CoH Dusk Shroud (Ye, ye, I know, my noob friend made it....)
    Mosers with 2x PDiamond looking for stormshield here
    Mavina belt (20 strength and 1+ all skills together with diadem, along with frw).
    2 Java/20 IAS + some smaller res.
    Raven dunno stats
    Dunno other ring ...
    Gores
    Cats eye or Highlords amu, can't remember.
    Titans
    Medium torch

    No skillers, anni. Got poor charms......

    I think I have a lycander's flank on switch for jabbing.. sucks though.

    I feel im pretty fast .. I love being fast

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    Re: Griffons or M'avina's diadem?

    The Breakpoints are as follows:

    8 Frame CS you need 50 IAS
    7 Frame CS you need 95 IAS

    10 Frame Light Fury you need 55 IAS
    9 Frame Light Fury you need 90 IAS.

    Thus, with your current setup you have 85 IAS that I can see and are 10 IAS shy of the fast attack rate and wasting 30 for the slow rate on throw/CS.

    Solution:
    1.) Get yourself the Stormshield you want and toss in an IAS/res jewel and that'll get you where you need to go (personally prefer Sanctuary Hyperion as stated by Jason above)
    2.) Keep a switch with some Skill/IAS javelins to get you to the 95 breakpoint for Baal if you can afford them. Could also just toss a shield switch with IAS on for bosses. Don't really need the IAS for Light Fury as much as you need the convenience of never running out of javs with Titans.

    You want either 52 or 86 FHR for 6 and 5 frame respectively.
    - 20 From Treks
    - 20 From Sanctuary
    - 7 From a jewel (Prefer IAS/FHR in an Andy's myself)
    - 5 From a Small Charm with second mod

    86 is harder, basically have to give up the CoH which I'm not fond of.

    My personal suggestion:
    From Helm/Belt right now you're getting 1 all skills, 30 IAS, 5 ML and 20 FR/W that's worth noting. If you can switch those out for TGod's/Andy's you'll end up with 2 Skills/20 IAS/45-50 Str/20 Vit/+3 Fury and Strike/8-10 LL/20 Lightning Absorb and increased max Light/PSN res.

    This costs you 10 IAS, 5ML and 20fr/w and gains you skills/stats/res/LL. This does leave you 20 IAS shy of the magic number 95, so if you're going for 95 don't bother, but if you're not going to make 95 this is a vast improvement.

    My Personal setup is:
    5skill/40IAS Javs on switch with Faceted Monarch for Baal
    Dusk CoH
    2/20 Res/MF Gloves
    TGod's
    Andy's w/ IAS/FHR jewel
    Treks (self-found perfs :) )
    Sanctuary Hyperion
    Titans on main switch for chucking
    2 skills/stats/res amulet
    ML/Stat Ring
    Stat/Res all ring

    Gets me to the 55 IAS breakpoint on my main switch and then I can kick up the damage and speed with 95 IAS for Baal while keeping maxed Res. With Anni/Torch I have base Dex and 4 points in Str (miscounted :()

    I've been rambling and don't care to edit my post so here's the synopsis.

    IAS jewel in Stormshield with current gear will get you 95.
    If you don't get to 95 that way get rid of the Helm/Belt for more useful stats
    Look into Sanctuary Hyperion, sexy block, good res, FHR, Dex what more could a zon want?

    Cheers and hope that made some sort of sense
    -Tai
     
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    Re: Griffons or M'avina's diadem?

    It did make a lot of sense.

    Notice that the helm give 45% IAS NOT 30%.

    I have some sexy java's on mule with 4 java, rep quantity, 40 IAS, eth.

    Good?
     
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    Re: Griffons or M'avina's diadem?

    First, I know the helm gives 45 ias but thats because it's socketed, you can get 15 ias from socketing any helm so i removed that from the list of pros and cons.

    Sweet, those will work great. Here's what I'd do.

    Main Setup:
    Titans/Sanctuary (whatever for shield though, just saying this for arguments sake)
    CoH
    Andy's with IAS/Fire Res or FHR
    Treks
    2/20 gloves you have
    TGod's
    Whatever you need to fill in from jewelry (skills, res, stats)

    Switch:
    4/40 Eth Javs and whatever shield (Facets/Rhyme)

    This'll give you the 55 IAS on main attack for 8/10 CS/Throw and let you have Max Block/Max Res/Good Life/Replenish
    95 IAS on switch with slightly increased damage for Owning Baal. The downside of this is that you can't throw spam as much and it'll probably have slightly lower safety, so I'd suggest this just for bosses.

    Of course you'll be just fine with the Mav's stuff, I just prefer the Gloam-proof and more skills over wasted IAS. You can also try for 95 on main switch but for that you'd need to do Mav's/IAS Shield/Highlord's which will cost you some skills and on switch you'll end up with 135 IAS when the last breakpoint is 95.

    Cheers
    -Tai
     
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    Re: Griffons or M'avina's diadem?

    I see. Sounds good to me.

    With sanctuary you mean the runeword Ko-Ko-Mal right? An why hyperion? Looks?

    I will go that rout, only thing I'm worried about is the look of andy's face and less FRW! I need to aquire one of those 15/30 Fire res jool's then.....
     
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    Re: Griffons or M'avina's diadem?

    Hyperion for the block percentage. For elite shields it goes like this, borrowed from Arreat Summit . . .

    Heater 47%
    Luna 45%
    Hyperion 49%
    Monarch 47%
    Blade Barrier 45%
    Aegis 49%
    Troll Nest 45%
    Ward 49%

    Now, Heaters and Lunas get two sockets max, so they're out. Hyperion has the same block as Aegis and Ward, but much lower strength requirements, and better than the Troll Nest by 4% and Monarch by 2%. Now, if you don't meet the strength requirement for the Hyperion, which is easy with high end gear (Torch, Anni, Titan's, CoH, Andy's etc.), the Troll Nest is an alright option. I will note, the exceptional Pavise has 49% block as well, for just 6 more strength, but is a heavy shield in comparison to the medium Hyperion.

    Good luck!

    Lucky
     
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    Re: Griffons or M'avina's diadem?

    What Jason said.

    With TGod's/CoH/Titans/Andy's you'll be getting 90+ strength from gear before charms so it shouldn't be an issue
     
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    Re: Griffons or M'avina's diadem?

    Okey dokey^^
     

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