GrandFather any use?

[piggiz]

GrandFather any use?

Hi all,

Need a pieace of valuable advise from you. I cant afford a BOTD or any runewords weapons like beast, doom etc. But I recently got myself a Grandfather and I am really happy since playing for 2 years.

I want to make a WW Barb for PVP if possible around this sword. I know that even if i socket a shael rune, i wouldnt even hit the WW breakpoint, would I? What can i socket into the sword? Or does this sword isnt really for pvp at all?

 

[Wyrmy]

Dunno about WW Barb, but my Conc barb uses GF and he owns PvM. Plus every Tom, Dick and Harry have some kind of BOTD, so you get major style points with this gigantic yellow sword flashing around :yep:

 

[mstrnicegui]

it might be ok for public dueling, maybe... but if you ever want to get into organized duels, you'll need to get a weapon that hits the last ww bp.

 

[NBAallstar]

Grandfather is too slow for WW. I would use it for conc or berserk.

 

[Wyrmy]

If you're not gonna use your GF, and you're on US East Non-Ladder .. trade it with me. The one I'm using now is at the low end of the %ed scale.

 

[Teh Beerman]

Socket a LO rune in it...and go kill ppl. Seriously...for public dueling, it will work well. even kill many botd ppl...assuming the rest of ur build is good.

 

[Hardcore_Virus]

Socket a LO rune in it...and go kill ppl. Seriously...for public dueling, it will work well. even kill many botd ppl...assuming the rest of ur build is good.

now if he cant make a beast, where would he get a lo ? :x
I think gf can work pretty well

 

[Dahmer]

Socket a LO rune in it...and go kill ppl. Seriously...for public dueling, it will work well. even kill many botd ppl...assuming the rest of ur build is good.

hmm, nice advice :uhhuh:
1) he cant afford any of the high runewords so how the hell is he gonna socket his gf with a Lo?
2) 8fpa ww sux, no matter what weapon you're using you will get your *** kicked bigtime by any barb that reaches 4fpa ww

 

[mstrnicegui]

exactly, the 4fpa ww would have to do half as much dmg per hit as the 8fpa ww in order for the 8fpa ww to even have a chance, since the 4fpa ww is attacking at twice the speed. twice as many chances to hit = better than lo'ed gf.

 

[Senno]

is doombringer better than gf?

 

[mstrnicegui]

no. both can hit the first ww bp with a shael, but not the second. gf has more dmg and better mods.

 

[Teh Beerman]

OK...let me defend my statement on LO'd GF vs botd...This is based primarily on public USEast dueling last ladder season:
1) GF lets you have the required ar (20+K) without nasty angelic..allowing the use of highlords and ravens.
2)the combined DS of LO and Highlords allows for devistating hits
3) many botd ww barbs in public dueling simply wont hit you, and your hits with this setup are better imho than is possible with botd
4) LO is cheap on east...dunno about other realms...but i got one last week for ist mal...a far cry from the cost of other high runes.

**I am not saying that this is an ideal ww pvp pr pvm setup by any means...just a cheaper alternative, and something that personally has worked well for me in the past.

 

[mstrnicegui]

1. botd barbs can easily get away with wearing angelic ammy with just one ring, making room for a raven, and still hit 20k ar.

2. it's not even necessary to wear a raven against other ww barbs. They're going to have to go through you and if they try when you're doing a frozen ww, you're going to absolutely destroy them. Have you ever seen a frozen ww hit a target? It's ridiculous.

3. deadly strike isn't nearly as neat a pvp attack mod as open wounds (at high levels). You go up against someone with high open wounds, you're gonna be spending a lot of time bleeding. remember, ds is subject to the 1/6 pvp penalty and 50% dr, while ow is only subject to 1/4 pvp penalty.

4. Even with 20k+ ar, you're still only going to be in range of your target for a short time. If you have 100% chances to hit and only give yourself 8fpa, you're going to hit less often than someone with 60% chance to hit and 4fpa.

5. You're talking about public dueling. Here there's a lot more flexibility, since most pubbie duelers aren't fully geared or even very skilled. You could get away with a shaeled gf. This gives you 25% more hit checks over the same range (6fpa vs 8fpa), which is much better than 20% better chance at ds.

with 50% chance to do double dmg (highlords and weapon mastery) and 25% more hits vs. 70% chance for dbl dmg you'll see that over a time of 1 second, you get 6 hitchecks vs 4. That means 3 double dmg shots for both lo'ed gf and shaeled gf, but the shaeled gf gets an extra hit or two on top of it all.​

 

[rikstaker]

2. it's not even necessary to wear a raven against other ww barbs. They're going to have to go through you and if they try when you're doing a frozen ww, you're going to absolutely destroy them. Have you ever seen a frozen ww hit a target? It's ridiculous.

Gui,against ww barbs it evens out- he too will have you in range longer like you'll have him,it works in pvm,due to multiple targets thats just about it.CBF is desirable in BVB to negate risk of a slowmo off target whirl which will allow him to evade & counter you at the spot you come to halt.
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Others:being frozen has no direct relationship with hits-it just slows you down allowing targets to remain in range longer,but its reciprocal-you too remain in their range longer,so quite simply it doesnt matter which barb is frozen in bvb when they whirl pass each other,since it evens out.Being cbf is desirable in pvp as explained above.

Rik

 

[mstrnicegui]

well, if nothing else, it'll speed up matches when being frozen :thumbsup:

see, it's times like these when it's obvious I ain't pvp. Sadly, I know what works in pvp more than a lot of actual pvp'ers... it's all your fault rik. Well, it's not all your fault, but you're the available target. :buddies:

 

[jumbo_SHRIMP]

8 frames does ~1/6 less damage than 4 frames, not half

phelix

 

[rikstaker]

well, if nothing else, it'll speed up matches when being frozen

see, it's times like these when it's obvious I ain't pvp. Sadly, I know what works in pvp more than a lot of actual pvp'ers... it's all your fault rik. Well, it's not all your fault, but you're the available target. :buddies:

Wrong gooey, you are the available target since you handle it so well,I could have cleared this long time ago but I would be 'stepping on toes' of someone,with you its easy..you got no toes.. :cheesy:

Way to Gooo gooeey! :thumbsup:

Rik :buddies:

 

[realjeep]

What about PvM? I'm planning on using dual sword ww in PvM and trying to figure out what endgame swords to shoot for. I like to have one lightsabre for the ml/lit absorb/non-phys dmg.

I have read the thread about the ww breakpoints but how does this relate to dual swords. do both need to be under the bp to get an extra boost or ?.. I seem to recall that dual weaps give you 50% more attacks, but is this based on the average of the 2 weapons, the slower/faster of the 2, or is it one of the which is equipped first/right hand things.

I am thinking that even if it ends up being a slower attack, the dmg increase for a 1h gf would be worth it.

realjeep