Good Bowazon in yur eyes(pvm)?

[slam]

1. use items with lots of mana, life leech.
2. use items with resists.
3. max ga. (you do not need this skill until hell).
4. know when to run.

1. 5% life/mana leach is ample - more is nice, but not necessary. we're not a melee character, our life shouldn't take that much of a beating to the point where we are constantly looking to quickly re-fill our life bulb. in my opinion, more mana leech is only necessary with mana intensive skills like frozen arrow

2. resists are often low on a bowazon, but it is not too much of an issue. you will always be at a distance from the enemies allowing you to either move out of the way of an elemental projectile attack, and/or use slow missile. even with strafe lock, i tend not to have a hard time on hell with elemental attacks with all my resists ranging from -10, to 20 or so.

3. I really don't believe you need this skill at all and it is incredibly nerfed in 1.10. how this has an advantage over strafe for instance, i don't know.

4. you shouldn't need to run. you have your merc, and valk as tanks. you probably have knockback. you want to play a defensive style in hard areas. with strafe for instance, fire arrows into an area before you move there and if you fire more than one arrow, you know there are monsters. stay behind your valk and merc at all times. use decoy.

a windforce is a great bow for just about any bowazon, but you'll really see it shine using strafe. cookie cutter, i know, but a fun build all the same. you would need to focus a little more on your ias, and you have overkill with the damage reduction. i would look to get a razortail and cats eye/highlord's wrath (or even atmas's scarab) which you should be able to obtain if you have come across a windforce. multishot would be good too

 

[Leohappy]

now getting back to topic..with the current gear i now have
vamp gaze helm
windforce bow
shaftstop armor
mavs belt
mavs gloves
war travs
saracen's amulet
2 rf

with the current gear..would it be better for multi/guided or pure strafer?
P.S if you dunt mind can u tell me what pros and cons the strafer has that the multi doesnt in PVM*

Well that gear isn't particularly great for a bowzon. Why do you need so much dr? Where are resistances and increased attack speed? Go Strafe with this gear, forget Multi.

Oh and where did you find Saracen's amulet? Replace with Highlord's ASAP!

@Myrakh-2 Use those 18-20 life scs to increase life. My bowzon doesn't take much dmg from souls in WSK but she has 1050 life and 75% light res .

 

[slap]

1. 5% life/mana leach is ample - more is nice, but not necessary. we're not a melee character, our life shouldn't take that much of a beating to the point where we are constantly looking to quickly re-fill our life bulb. in my opinion, more mana leech is only necessary with mana intensive skills like frozen arrow

2. resists are often low on a bowazon, but it is not too much of an issue. you will always be at a distance from the enemies allowing you to either move out of the way of an elemental projectile attack, and/or use slow missile. even with strafe lock, i tend not to have a hard time on hell with elemental attacks with all my resists ranging from -10, to 20 or so.

3. I really don't believe you need this skill at all and it is incredibly nerfed in 1.10. how this has an advantage over strafe for instance, i don't know.

4. you shouldn't need to run. you have your merc, and valk as tanks. you probably have knockback. you want to play a defensive style in hard areas. with strafe for instance, fire arrows into an area before you move there and if you fire more than one arrow, you know there are monsters. stay behind your valk and merc at all times. use decoy.

a windforce is a great bow for just about any bowazon, but you'll really see it shine using strafe. cookie cutter, i know, but a fun build all the same. you would need to focus a little more on your ias, and you have overkill with the damage reduction. i would look to get a razortail and cats eye/highlord's wrath (or even atmas's scarab) which you should be able to obtain if you have come across a windforce. multishot would be good too

hi.

1. hmmm.... then you must be an arcade gamer, who can just reload your charactor when you die.

2. i cannot understand why people think it is hard to get resists on a bowamazon. my zon has all resistance's maxed. plus i carry (in my stash) the boots(infernostride), just incase the clone ever appears, and i want my fr to be 85%.

3. the guided arrow skill, i use this on normal shot, and fa on secondary shot.
ga is awesome when used this way.

4. hmmm... so you never retreat?. you must have the most amazing build to stand your ground in the latter stages of act5.

windforce... i can only dream of finding that.

 

[Omikron8]

There is absolutely no reason to boost guided arrow beyond one point on any amazon build in 1.10. The damage bonus at level 20 is negligible when you look at your character screen and an 8 mana cost for guided should not be a problem with some decent bow damage and some mana leech. Strafe 1.10 made guided arrow a one point wonder.

 

[ThePowerOfHammers]

ok these are the skills?
1 magic arrow(pre)
1 multi(pre)
1 guided(pre)
20 strafe
1 cold arrow (pre)

1 inner sight
1 slow missile
1 to decoy
17 valk
12 dodge
7 Avoid
12 evade
8 critical strike
1 penetrate
8 pierce
total : 92 skill points

 

[slam]

ok these are the skills?
1 magic arrow(pre)
1 multi(pre)
1 guided(pre)
20 strafe
1 cold arrow (pre)

1 inner sight
1 slow missile
1 to decoy
17 valk
12 dodge
7 Avoid
12 evade
8 critical strike
1 penetrate
8 pierce
total : 92 skill points

you might want more in penetrate as your chance to hit could be on the low side. many strafeazons max it. you could do this at the sacrafice of the defensive skills, dodge, avoid, and evade. often these are left at one, but it's your preference. also, if you're using wf, you'll need a back up attack to deal with physical immunes. frozen arrow is a common choice.

remember, you will have 92 skill points at level 80 due to den, sewers, and izual quest bonuses on each difficulty, so it is not has bad as it sounds. 80 takes no time to reach

also keep in mind that you can reach level 17 valk with +skills from items. likewise with pierce (looks like you plan to use razortail) so points could be saved there. i.e., on one magic find strafeazon i have, she has 14 in valk then +1 from skullder's and +2 from harlequin crest, which brings her to 17.

1. hmmm.... then you must be an arcade gamer, who can just reload your charactor when you die.

2. i cannot understand why people think it is hard to get resists on a bowamazon. my zon has all resistance's maxed. plus i carry (in my stash) the boots(infernostride), just incase the clone ever appears, and i want my fr to be 85%.

3. the guided arrow skill, i use this on normal shot, and fa on secondary shot.
ga is awesome when used this way.

4. hmmm... so you never retreat?. you must have the most amazing build to stand your ground in the latter stages of act5.

windforce... i can only dream of finding that.

1. i have no idea what you are talking about. please explain.

2. i didn't say it was hard to get resists, i said they are often low. most of the "ideal" bowazon equipmet does not have resists. obviously, there is socketing with um's, and charms available to make up these deficiencies, but i am saying it is not an absolute must have for survivability. playing defensively mitigates the risk from elemental attacks.

3. i can't see why you are so infactuated with guided arrow. is it the homing trait of it? strafe homes in on targerts too but does it to 10 targets at once. i don't know what to say - ga is just an incredibly inferior skill (though a strafe vs ga debate might be a little odd).

4. if you scout ahead, and keep your merc, valk, and decoy between the monsters and you, you should never get close enough to need to run. and all i use is an upped wws at 9/2 and i have knockback. i have 100 vitality before additions from equipment. my merc is decked out well enough so he never dies and my valk is solid too. i've died before certainly, but always through taking unnecessary risks, getting impatient - generally not playing in the defensive manner i know fits the build (i'm used to barbs )

i've never found a windforce either (though 3 rare hydra bows in the last 2 days - maybe i'm finally getting close). i don't trade so finding one is the only option. i wasn't writing this while i had a zon decked out in godly gear - just moderate gear one might say - all found my me.

 

[ThePowerOfHammers]

why do most strafers max it? without items alone you might have like 250 dex? plus with items its like 320 dex??? why max penetrate?

Finally got some decent gear i think...chek it out
Vampire Gaze -should i switch for mavs helm(30% ias) or shako(2+skills)
Shaftstop- Switch for smoke or lionheart?
Razortail
war trav ethereal (is ethereal ok?)
lava gout(20% ias)
2 rf
1 cats eye/ highlord -which one?
wf

 

[slap]

1. i have no idea what you are talking about. please explain.

2. i didn't say it was hard to get resists, i said they are often low. most of the "ideal" bowazon equipmet does not have resists. obviously, there is socketing with um's, and charms available to make up these deficiencies, but i am saying it is not an absolute must have for survivability. playing defensively mitigates the risk from elemental attacks.

3. i can't see why you are so infactuated with guided arrow. is it the homing trait of it? strafe homes in on targerts too but does it to 10 targets at once. i don't know what to say - ga is just an incredibly inferior skill (though a strafe vs ga debate might be a little odd).

4. if you scout ahead, and keep your merc, valk, and decoy between the monsters and you, you should never get close enough to need to run. and all i use is an upped wws at 9/2 and i have knockback. i have 100 vitality before additions from equipment. my merc is decked out well enough so he never dies and my valk is solid too. i've died before certainly, but always through taking unnecessary risks, getting impatient - generally not playing in the defensive manner i know fits the build (i'm used to barbs )

i've never found a windforce either (though 3 rare hydra bows in the last 2 days - maybe i'm finally getting close). i don't trade so finding one is the only option. i wasn't writing this while i had a zon decked out in godly gear - just moderate gear one might say - all found my me.

1. arcade mode is the gamemode where if you die you can save and exit,then reload and continue playing.
hardcore, is not arcade.

2. i do not know what is good gear or not, my amazon is untwinked. she's found all her items in her game. even starting off with nothing, i have now reached max resists in hell.

3. maybe, it is because i am killing every monster with ease in hell mode.

i am not doubting that strafe is a good attack, what i am saying is that ga on normal shot, is an excellent choice.

4. my bow is a upped unique rune bow, on switch, i have made a runeword edgebow.

i have died before too, but that cost me my amazon, i only play hardcore. but, i have learned from my mistakes, and the amazon i have now, is a powerful pvm build.

as to a valk.. i have not had any need for one, hence no points in that skill, i have used those points to make my build even better.

i have no doubt at all, that this amazon 'untwinked' will be a Guardian.

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hope you had nice stats on your rare hydra's. Anya for once, gave me a decent midrange bow, for rescuing her in hell.

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[Omikron8]

This is 1.10, not 1.09. You can have 29357219719487 dex but with low level penetrate your chance to hit will still be pathetic against many hell monsters even if you are high level. Unless your bow has insane AR bonuses like faith or goldstrike get penetrate to 15+ ASAP. Even if you have insane AR from other equipment sources (eg. ravenfrost) you still need high levels of penetrate.

 

[slam]

why do most strafers max it? without items alone you might have like 250 dex? plus with items its like 320 dex??? why max penetrate?

Finally got some decent gear i think...chek it out
Vampire Gaze -should i switch for mavs helm(30% ias) or shako(2+skills)
Shaftstop- Switch for smoke or lionheart?
Razortail
war trav ethereal (is ethereal ok?)
lava gout(20% ias)
2 rf
1 cats eye/ highlord -which one?
wf

your boots will break eventually. obviously not as quickly as a melee character but eventually. if using windforce, use highlords. i only use cats eye if i can find deadly strike elsewhere, like with witchwild string. others will disagree but that is my opinion. i think someone has worked out how the numbers break down for these two amulets in terms of average damage.

i really love lava gout for the chance to cast enchant (as well as the ias). enchant will trigger very quickly and last a while. this is going to increase your attack rating so you might get by with less in penetrate. i have a 85 strafeazon with only 1 point in dex, 4 after +skills, and her chance to hit is usually in the 80's after enchant activates. this is adequate for me because you don't notice the misses so much with strafe since there are so many arrows being fired anyhow.

other great gloves are laying of hands. as well as 20% ias, they come with 350% damage to demons. half the monsters in the game are demons so this really enhances your killing speed.

slap - to your point number 1, i don't know where hardcore came into this. we're not in the hardcore forum and ThePowerOfHammers is not playing hardcore as far as i can tell. and having said that, i don't see how discussions over how much leech a build should have, tie in to your response.

as for our other points of debate, i won't respond to them, as i feel i would just be repeating myself

 

[ThePowerOfHammers]

that means that i have to sacrifice d/a/e.
doh! dodge can be sacrificed cause i can knock back any melee monster that tries to come near me...i guess i will max or put penetrate at a HIGH level.