Going for a six-pack

plasmo

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Re: Going for a six-pack

Eat healthily and exercise vigorously. Only after doing that for a bit should you do some ab workouts to strengthen/accentuate the muscles.

See myth #10.
 

SnickerSnack

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To lose fat (not that I would know...):

1. Use the internet to find out how much fat, protein, and overall calories you should take in. Take in those amounts. You can eat more if you're really hungry, but don't take in more fat. Eat a varied diet with as little processed food as possible.

2. Aerobic exercise everyday (running, jogging....). Times vary, but I would think that 30 minutes a day is a good starting point. Weight train every other day. Go to a gym if you can, but free weights and pullups/pushups are good too. I found that 60-90 minutes is a good time to shoot for.

3. Keep at it.

I went to a gym for a while, and I'd stretch for a few minutes, then do the bicycle for 20, then weights for 60, then bike for 20. The problem I had was that I lifted weights every day and quickly tired of it and gave up. I really should start again, hmmm.
 

raveharu

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LOL.

If you have a beer belly, even doing 1000 sit-ups a day WILL not get you a six-pack. It is NOT easy to achieve one, because you have to restrict your diet and do toning exercises everyday.

I think it would be better if you start jogging or running first, to get rid of your beer belly and shed those kilos.

You can try googling on running/jogging routines, there're plenty of good websites that teach you the proper steps.

And there is the will-power.
You have to do these weekly, and for a few months to even see the results.

You can try getting a personal gym instructor.
 

LuckyMe

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Not that I would know but,

You should run - this will burn calories which is what you need for the definition of a six pack.

You should weight-lift - it will improve your metabolism, help you to burn fat even when you are not working out, and has been proven to act as a catalyst for weight loss

You should change your diet - eat lean meats, in decent proportions. If you want to splurge for a meal, then make it breakfast. When you take in an excess of calories for breakfast you can burn them off through the day, and it gets your body working early.

Sit ups are all well and good, but for you to really show definition you need to reduce your body fat.
 

HegemonKhan

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I have a bit of a beer belly on me and want to get toned up. I don't want a proper six pack, just to get rid of my overhanging belly. I was thinking of doing 200-ish sit ups every night but I'm not really big on the whole fitness thing so I don't know whether there are any exercises that are more effective (quicker) than sit ups - without me spending any money - or how long it would take. Anybody care to shed any light on the subject? Please? :)
i am very experienced in physical activity (done sports my entire youth) and weight-lighting, (power lifting, actually, but not professionaly, simply don't have the body or genes for that. i'm small-short :p)

here's the ugly truth:

EXCERCISE (physical activity)

simpliest proof: no "runner" is fat.

dieting is 99% a joke-lie. yes, some people, "can" diet and get and/or stay "skinny".

u can eat the most unhealthy food your entire life and still be completely fit (though probably not very healthy).


this is because excercise (physical activity) actually "BURNS" off all that fatning food and u don't get fat.

of course its much better to eat healthy food, so that u are also healthy, as well as fit.

fit and healthy are very different things.

fit refers to ability to physically perform. (should be self-explanatory)

healthy refers to your internal body, like how much calories, body fat, transfat, etc.. (nutrition-dieting stuff), which can effect how long u live.

if u wanna lose weight, there's one way to do it and only one way: u directly "BURN" it off which can ONLY be done by excercise (physical activity).

all the dieting commericals u see on tv, they are all lying...they jsut want your money.

u just gotta get up off your fat rear and "run".

to get into some of the science of it:

excercise (physical activity, "running") actually has a DOUBLE EFFECT:

1. obviously it DIRECTLY "BURNS" the pounds right off

2. it enhances your metabolism, which means u are MORE efficient at "BURNING" off the pounds, and metabolising works even when u aren't "running".
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as for you asking specifically about the stomach:

the best way to lose pounds (i'm american, we don't use the metric system of 10's, we use the norse-viking system of 12's) from your stomach is actually RUNNING, not sit-ups.

the science of it would take too long and too difficult for me to try to go into.

sit-ups is more for your stomach muscles, not your stomach bulge of fat.

if u jsut do sit-ups, you'll still have that bulging fat belly, but under that bulge of fat, u will have strong powerful muscles.

if u want to both lose the fat bulge and build muscles than u ahve to both run and do sit-ups.

as for a "six pack" thats just appearance and not my expertise. appearance is for body-muscle sculpturing person, not a strength person. i'm about strength, not looks. i have no idea how to make a person LOOK strong, i only know how to make a person BE strong. if only girls understood this... oh well...most males don't either. LOOKING strong is NOT BEING strong. two completely different things.
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if you wanna know how to do the proper sit-up:

1. lay down on the floor-ground with your back touching it, so that u are looking up and not into the ground-floor

2. feet and knees together.

3. rear is touching your heels/back of your feet or lower legs/the achilles area. this should cause your legs to be bent at the knees. (move-slide your rear and feet together so that they are touching)

4. arms and hands crossed so that they make an X over your upper chest. (your hands should be resting on your opposite shoulders if u do this right). this should never change. always keep your hands and arms in this position.

5. your chin should be pressing against your chest or lower throat. must keep your chin pressed against your chest or lower throat at all times during the entire sit-up(s).

6. squeeze your legs together AND squeeze-tighten your lower stomach (belly area). if u do this right, you should feel your lower back pressing into the floor or ground trying to break through it. this is what raises you for the "sit-up" AND strenthens your stomach muscles.

7. lay back down and repeat as much as u want or can.
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there's 4 types of sit-ups. 2 of them can be combined into the other 2 types:

power vs conditioning:

1. power sit-up: muscle speed-force-"power"

u try to "sit-up" as fast as u can with your arms-chest touching (well hitting) your legs' thighs as many as u can in a given time or as long as u can.

VERY IMPORTANT: the above proper sit-up technique does NOT change.

when doing a power sit up, it is especially important to keep your legs pressed together, your feet together, you rear and feet touching (in doing power sit-ups, u WILL slide apart if doing it right, so you'll have to quickly move your rear back against your feet), your arms crossed and against your chest, and most important of all your chin PRESSED to your chest or lower throat.

think of a power sit up as trying to "headbutt" some one or doing an offensive header in soccer/futbol if u know the sport.

if u have some one anchoring your feet down, they better not lean forward, because in a power sit-up your snapping up and you'll smash their face with your forehead probably breaking their nose or knocking their teeth out.

u want this explosive force when doing a power sit-up. u wanna snap up with tremendous force and energy. POWER.

this proper sit-up technique or form protects u from injury, allowing u to do power sit-ups with 99% safety.

2. conditioning sit up: muscle endurance

u don't care about power. you do the sit-ups SLOWLY, making u have to "hold" your self sitting up and as u come down SLOWLY. this causes u to use and strengthen your muscles but doesn't train them for power like the power sit-up.

"all the way up" vs "crunch":

3. "all the way up" sit up:

this is simply coming up so that your arms-chest touch your legs' thighs. your entire back should be OFF the ground-floor when your arms-chest touch your leg's thighs

4. "crunch" sit up:

u simply squeeze-tighten your lower stomach, which should raise your upper back jsut slightly off the ground-floor. you lower back should and must be pressing against the ground-floor. if your lower back is off the ground-floor or not pressing hard against it, you've come up to far.

u than hold this position, as long as u can or want to. u lay back down to rest. than when your ready and if u wanna go again, u do so.
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if u wanna strengthen your legs too and want uber "pain" lift your feet off the ground and straighten your legs out, holding them just off the ground while u hold your upper back jsut off the ground.

*grins* i know u feel the burn, if u doing it right. *grins*

ps, you really feel the burn if u got big strong thick legs...man, they are heavy...oh the burn!
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as for how long it woud take, that depends on how intense or not u work at it, and also how comitted (doing it EVERY DAY) or not commited u are.


 
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s4nder

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I wouldn't suggest running to anyone, especially if they're overweight. It slowly eats away at knee joints and you'll be sorry years later. Also, as you get more effective at running you actually spend less calories than before.

For aerobic exercises, swimming is probably the best but anything that doesn't involve repeated impacts on knee joints with up to four times your bodyweight like running does is good.

Also, HIIT or high intensity interval training gives faster results than low heart rate and long lasting aerobic exercise. The problem with HIIT is that it's usually insanely difficult and not many people can force themselves through it. An example of HIIT with cycling: cycle as fast as you can for 20 seconds, then rest for 8 seconds. Now do that for ten minutes in a row. You'll be vomiting after five if not in great shape, hehe.

For the best overall results, start eating right and lifting weights. You'll gain muscle, lose fat and your joints will get stronger and more stable. The endorphine high after a good work out is also a great motive :p.
 

pancakeman

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I wouldn't suggest running to anyone, especially if they're overweight. It slowly eats away at knee joints and you'll be sorry years later.
Listen to this man. Running is a viable exercise, but try and restrict it. Your knees will thank you. I heard that a fast walk saves your knees and is just as effective, but I'm not sure about that.

Swimming is definitely the best of the low-impact exercises, if you don't like the water try cycling, or even stair climbing. If you go with the former, get in a comfortable position on the bike, head down, and ride in a high gear for as long as you can. Your legs will hurt, but to get the really good exercise you have to ride until they feel like they fell off.
Anywho, that is just for cardio and stuff. Doesn't really help with the abs.


An example of HIIT with cycling: cycle as fast as you can for 20 seconds, then rest for 8 seconds. Now do that for ten minutes in a row.
There is this guy in my neighborhood that does something like that, except he does it with running. He jogs for a while, then runs all out fora block or so, then back to a jog. I'll try it on my afternoon ride tomorrow, I hope the promise of hurlage is not accurate, or I might spoil the lake :grin:.
 

HegemonKhan

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the point with running is completely valid, i was too lazy to go into the different aerobic excercises. like swimming (or skiing..though this puts strain on knees too)

for losing weight though, aerobic exercises are better. resistance training (like lifting weights), doesn't exactly take the pounds off (in fact u usually gain weight from lifting weights), it actually changes the fat mass to muscle mass and u probably gain weight and will still retain much more fat than if u do aerobic excercises. this is less effective than aerobic exercises that actually DIRECTLY "BURNS" off the fat weight.

about weight of muscle and weight of fat and why u actually gain weight when u weight lift:

if u have an amount of 1 lb of fat, it would weight 1 lb
if u have an amount of 1 lb of mucles, it would weight 3 lbs

muscle is 3 times heavier than fat. and weight lifting (for example) changes fat into muscle. so actually gain weight, not lose it, when u weight lift.

also, the problem with weight lifting... it usually does NOT target the fat u want to lose. for example the stomach: sit-ups change the "inside" fat to muscle and strengthens the muscles u already have. sit-ups do NOT convert the outside fat (the bulging fat that u see as ur bulging belly), and while underneath your visably fat belly, your getting strong, your bulging beer belly remains for u and others to see.

the same stressful jostling of running that is bad for weak knees, actually is what makes running so good for belly fat. it has at least a double effect: the aerobic running exercise DIRECTLY BURNS your belly fat off, but the jostling from the running ALSO WORKS TO REMOVE that same belly fat.

about the knees and running (or whatever knee stress excercise):

obviously if u got bad-weak knees either from old age, past injury (current injury u should NOT be doing any knee stress excercse, obviously, until safely fully healed and ready for stress), or from no physical activity (having never strengthened the knee over your life) u have to be extra cautious and running might do more bad than good.


the best thing is this:

a person should be running from early age and on though. running will build up your mucles and bones in and around the knee, safely protecting u from the stress of running. old age at some point wil over-ride even the strongest knees and legs. but until than, running actually protects the knee from running. as long as u have been building up that knee-leg strength over your life from a young age.

in fact, astronauts in space, where there is NO physical resistance (aka gravity like we stress over on earth when running), if we didn't bring them back to earth, they would LOSE ALL muscle and bone...and be like some floating jellyfish instead of a muscle and bone human. it is the very threat and force of physical resistance (gravity and the hard earth that we walk-run on) that gives us our skeleton, bones, and muscles. life directly counter strikes against this force of physical resistance (gravity) with the creation of skeleton, bone, and muscles that we take for grantit (sorry i completely forgot how to spell this).

also as the physical resistance (gravity) increases or if u actively seek it out (go running or weight lift) your body will respond and make more bone and muscle to match the stress and strain on your body.

sorry for getting heavy on the science...but it's the only way i can explain...

if u don't mind me using myself for example:

i weighed about 210 lbs (sorry for u metric users. your gonna have to convert...since i'm bad at math and can't do it myself for u) and could hold up (stand beneath) at least 850 lbs. i have been wieght lifting a long time (though actually my leg strength came from sports, actually mainly from soccer/futbol, not the american football, i also played a bit of) and have built up my leg and knee strength to be able to handle *briefly* 4 times my body weight. because i have strengthened my knee and legs it's much more difficulty for gravity and the impact of the earth (and my own body weight) when i run to damage me (or the 850 lbs on my shoulders standing up *breifly*).

now take some one who hasn't been strengthening their knees and legs, they are much more VULNERABLE to gravity and impact with the earth when they run.

and also, u can run on different surfaces too...u can find softer surfaces...like grass, even slightly muddy grass (so it's more cushioned...aka u sink reducing the impact), u don't have to run on hard asphalt or cement or dry hard dirt. i could be wrong, but i think that sand is actually pretty hard, even though u do sink, at least it's got to be more stress than muddy grass :D
 
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Hawkreborn

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On a more serious note, does anyone have a proper daily diet I can follow, rather than the "sandwich" diet Arkardo is proposing (no offense :p).
11 sandwiches a day is a bit extreme

Breakfast:
Oatmeal
3 eggs(the cholesterol in the yolks are bad. go for egg whites instead, if you have cholesteral problems :))
fruit

Mid morning Snack:
fruit
Nuts

Lunch:
chicken
potatoes
fibrous vegetables

Afternoon Snack
Peanut butter sandwich

Dinner
rice
fish/beef
salad

this is pretty general.
just try to get some protein and carbs at every 'meal'.
after you workout eat a simple carbohydrate to boost your metabolism back up(like a banana), and get some protein to build those muscles.
also, drink plenty of water
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Start taking a calcium supplement, and try to cut out dairy, cheese is the easiest. The milk fat in dairy products slow down results and your six pack wont look as ripped :)
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plasmo

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Oh, something I just remembered that somewhat contradicts what I said before. Ab workouts aren't totally useless. If you do have a bit of a gut, strengthening those muscles will pull your gut in some. It makes you look less fat (even though it's not getting rid of it), but more importantly, it's better for your back. So fat with a six-pack is better than the same amount of fat with a beer belly, even though neither is better than not being fat.
 

HegemonKhan

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teh fat beer belly covers up the muscles. the fat is on top of the stomach muscles.

u can have a ripped 6-pack but no one will ever know because u got that fat on top of it, covereing it.

in fact, the only way, to make a ripped 6-pack truly visably defined is to be skinny and even starving or dehydrated. u must shrink the skin, to get the figure of your stomach muscles to show for the popular six pack everyone sees on celebrities or body builders

getting rid of your stomach fat is a good thing, but to get the coveted defined 6-pack ripped stomach u have to go to unhealthy and even dangerous extremes...NOT recommended.

shrinking your skin (either from dehydration or starvation) is unhealthy and even dangerous.
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the fat and stomach muscles are independant of each other.

u can have really strong stomach muscles from sit-up and still have a fat stomach. no one will know that your stomach muscles are strong because all tehy see if the fat belly on top of your stomach muscles.

just as well, u can get rid of your stomach fat (having a "flat" or non-fat stomach) but still have weak stomach muscles.

getting rid of stomach fat and strenghting stomach muscles are two different things.
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when i do a sit-up and i feel my stomach, i got really strengthened strong stomach muscles, they are like steel cables. but no one ever knows except me because i also got a fat belly covereing it. u have to push down past the fat to feel the ripped muscles underneath.
 

s4nder

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The cholesterol in the yolks are bad. go for egg whites instead, if you have cholesteral problems :)
I thought the egg yolk high cholesterol myth died in the nineties. Eating egg yolk does not raise your cholesterol levels, it actually lowers them on some occasions. As far as I know, the yolk contains the bigger part of vitamins as well. Still, eating obscene amounts of eggs can result in selenium poisoning so it's best not to eat over twenty a day (I'd like to see someone do that myself, hehe). Other than that, they're very useful and harmless.

Also, why cut down on milk products? Unless the person is lactose intolerant, there's no reason to cut out a fundamental protein rich food group for some arbitrary reason.



 
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HegemonKhan

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stretch marks happen when your skin expands (stretches out), not the other way around.

u get stretch marks when u go from "skinny" or smaller/shorter -> "fat" or bigger/taller

NOT from "fat" -> "skinny"
 

Corneo

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But if you lose weight really quickly, you get the flappy or excess skin. Which can be worst than stretch marks.
 

phool

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I got a respectable six pack simply by doing situps (and pressups using a pair of pressup bars which gave me good pecs and bis to go with the abs, I'd recommend this cheap purchase actually) and found it surprisingly quick and easy, the harder bit would be reducing belly fat on top if this is necessary, swimming or running would probably be good ways to do that. My fitness 'regimen' consisted mostly of doing a smallish number situps and pressups whenever I died while playing a game like geometry wars combined with an 'until I can't do any more' amount of either before bed. Do make sure you're doing situps with a good technique though. You may also want to do reverse crunches to target the lower area of yours abs but it's not necessary. It helps I'm a 20 year old with a high metabolism, of course, but I make almost no effort to eat healthily and spend most my time sitting around in lectures or in front of a computer screen. While at university I've pretty much stopped exercising except fortnightly gym sessions and about an hour of walking a day and drink appalling amounts of cider and budget vodka and my six pack has done a remarkable job of surviving intact since last Summer. They're easier to keep than to gain and ime not that hard to gain, either. More than casual dieting is definitely of distant importance compared to just getting a reasonable amount of exercising in.

I'd say it's easier to get a respectable 6 pack with a little belly fat and very toned abs than tiny amounts of belly fat and moderately toned abs.
 
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