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Glithing Dia / Baal?! (+ few small questions)

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  1. oOldXman

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    Glithing Dia / Baal?! (+ few small questions)

    Hi!

    Is there any way to: glitch both Dia and Baal quest, so that I can get quest drops from both of them, when slaying them with the same character?

    If it's possible, then please tell me how to do this, be detailed I am not very much into D2 :).

    Other way, which one should I choose, which one would drop me better items often? I am talking about NM, not Norm neither Hell. Baal will drop me better items, I know that, but getting to him and killing his minions takes time.

    BTW: Is killing Nihlathak on NM worth? And :)P)... If I plan on doing NM Dia and Baal runs what type of sorc would be best?
     
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    Re: Glithing Dia / Baal?! (+ few small questions)

    Create the game with a character who has already solved the quest, then switch to a character who didn't. He won't get the quest solved (the quest window shows "you cannot solve this quest"), but he will get a first kill drop when doing the kill. You can also enter a game made by somebody else who already did the quest.

    You cannot do both with the same character because either your character hasn't solved the Diablo quest and thus cannot enter act 5 or you already solved the Diablo quest (so no Diablo first kill drop anymore) and can get first kill drops from Baal that way.

    Killing Nihlathak on NM isn't worth it. Even in hell mode, it only pays off to go to there for destruction keys.
     
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    Re: Glithing Dia / Baal?! (+ few small questions)

    Then which one is more worth of killing?
     
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    Re: Glithing Dia / Baal?! (+ few small questions)

    That depends a lot on your character and his/her equipment. When not considering that, I would choose Baal because he can drop any item in the game (Diablo cannot drop from TC87) and the minions provide huge amounts of XP. If you cannot make it solo, better go for L85 areas like Pits and Tunnels, the bosses there can drop everything worth keeping as well, except for Baal GCs - only Nihlathak, Diablo and (surprise!) Baal can drop them. Since 1.13, a melee character with good equipment can also do CS+Diablo runs because the OKs cannot cast iron maiden anymore.
     
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    Re: Glithing Dia / Baal?! (+ few small questions)

    We are talking here about Nightmare, remember :)?

    Lets say I've got some low Spirit and Splendor and low Viper, some Magefist... So any way what kind of sorc would be good to do quick runs on NM Dia and Baal?
     
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    Re: Glithing Dia / Baal?! (+ few small questions)

    Orb-it-aller is probably the best option. Search for the guide (I think socialism wrote it). You can then respec to Blizz, meteorb, blova, or whatever once you get to hell.

    Also, I'd think that if you have Spirit, Splendor, and Viper, you're ready for hell. :)
     
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    Re: Glithing Dia / Baal?! (+ few small questions)

    Ok! Maybe it was bad example (these items) but thanks dude you helped me a lot.

    However... there is still one thing that bothers me, so who is worth more on Nightmare: Diablo or Baal? "I would choose Baal because he can drop any item in the game", but on NM none of them can drop all the items and Diablo is always in the same place and monsters in CS time to time drop good things (even on NM). As I said way to Throne is far, then you have to kill the minions which takes time and then there is the annoying Baal, he can teleport and use that stupid blue wave-like spell that is pushing off enemies - really annoying to fight.

    But again - if he drops more often better items, and not pieces of sets which I don't like because I tend to collect these as well as other crapy items, I end up with x10 mules in few days. Doing NM Baalruns I would end up with about 75 level.

    So who is better?

    BTW: I started making Fire Wall sorc, I don't think that I would get enough skill points to put them in Orb or Nova or something. I can always respecialise but my final goal is Hell Andariel and Mephisto, and I don't really like Meteor x(.
     
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    Re: Glithing Dia / Baal?! (+ few small questions)

    Oh, I thought it was about hell Diablo+Baal while it's only about NM Nihlathak.

    Forget the two for gathering gear for hell mode. Get a few runewords from NM Countess (Stealth, Spirit, Rhyme/Splendor, Insight, Lore) and sell the other runes from her for other cheap gear. Then make NM Andy+Meph runs until you feel fit for hell mode, you will be able to do much more of them per hour than Meph+Baal. Forget the whole glitching idea in nightmare, but it might be worth doing in hell mode.

    As you said yourself, stop Baal runs for XP at L75.

    Believe me, fire wall sucks more than meteor and you mainly use fireball anyway. Fireball and meteor synergize each other, that's why it's better to use meteor instead of fire wall.

    A pure cold sorc will be good at killing rather early, but in hell mode it's better to respec her into a two element build, as MF makes more sense solo. A meteorb sorc is better with bad gear while a lightning/FO sorc will be better with more expensive equipment (like Infinity on the merc). I guess that orbitaller means the same as meteorb.



     
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    Re: Glithing Dia / Baal?! (+ few small questions)

    Thanks. But NM Andy does'nt drop any good items, two resets before I've been trying to find SOJ by killing her, I've tried many times, she never dropped one for me. IMO doing Andy NM is pointless.

    krischan, I think that you still don't get it, I apologize for my bad english.
    This is/was my plan:
    - Do some NM Dia and Baal runs to get some decent gear.
    - Move on to Hell and do glitched Andy and Meph runs to get good gear.

    If you say so, then I will resp into Metor but what should be my other skill? I've found the Orb-it-aller guide but there is nothing about Meteor, it's FBnOrb.

    I will have only about 85 skill points. I used Hero Editor to check what the out come would be and I ended up with FB DMG 985 - 1118 and Orb 314 - 331, I don't think this is enough to do Hell MF runs. What do you think?

    EDIT: I tested it, Andy dies quite quickly but killing Mephisto takes ages. The Fire Wall sorc was destined just to kill Mephisto and Andariel, so I don't even need any other element. So I also tested pure Fire Wall sorceres and I ended up with 11208 - 11348 damage, Andy and Meph died in few seconds. I am totally unsure now.
     
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    Re: Glithing Dia / Baal?! (+ few small questions)

    i got The Stone of Jordan ring from Mepthisto in NM. I just stashed it away and have never used it, had no idea how popular they are. Can't understand why.
     
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    Re: Glithing Dia / Baal?! (+ few small questions)

    A SoJ adds +1 to skills and lots of mana. If you don't need resists or fcr, that's the optimum caster ring.

    As said, I suggest not to make NM Diablo+Baal runs (they take too long), but NM Meph and Andy runs, with a cold sorc (not frozen orb, but blizzard+synergies, sorry for not mentioning that important detail) and respec to meteorb when entering hell or when finishing act 5 nightmare - there are a couple of cold immunes there. Andariel is visited as well because you will be through with Meph rather quickly and you might get temp-banned when creating games in a too quick succession.

    Fire wall only works well when the enemy is stuck, like when doing the moat trick with Meph, otherwise it's rather annoying to kill monsters with it. If you already invested into it, only do NM Meph runs, it should work well enough to do only that. He can drop all the good MF stuff except for Tal's armor ann shako, but Skullder's and Tarnhelm are OK as well in the beginning.
     
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    Re: Glithing Dia / Baal?! (+ few small questions)

    can someone tell me what shako + um'd means?

    harlequin crest somehow has sockets?
     
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    Re: Glithing Dia / Baal?! (+ few small questions)

    You can add one socket to unique item (If it does not have sockets allready) through the Larzuk quest in act 5. Then you can socket Um into that and have Um'd shako ;)
     
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    Re: Glithing Dia / Baal?! (+ few small questions)

    but i tried with my best items and larzuk never lets me. he only lets me put in items with no great abilities. are you sure you can add sockets to elite uniques with larzuk?
     
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    Re: Glithing Dia / Baal?! (+ few small questions)

    Yes, we're sure.

    I have no idea why Larzuk would refuse to add sockets to your gear. He should always add one socket to any unique/set/crafted/rare item, 1-2 to a magic item, and the max number of sockets to anything not magical. The normal/exceptional/elite type should not matter.
     
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    Re: Glithing Dia / Baal?! (+ few small questions)

    Thanks, I understand everything now. This thread can be closed.

    I have some more question but these would not fit in here :).
     
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    Re: Glithing Dia / Baal?! (+ few small questions)

    Larzuk will do that only once and only after you killed Shenk who is found at the end of the frigid highlands. He doesn't add sockets to items which are already socketed any you also cannot socket throwing weapons.
     
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    Re: Glithing Dia / Baal?! (+ few small questions)

    is there a list of the best items to add sockets to so you don't waste larzuk?
     
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    Re: Glithing Dia / Baal?! (+ few small questions)

    he won't let me socket up'd gore rider boots.

    maybe i was trying to socket item types he does not socket, and then thought it must be all items that are unique. larzuk will socket my shako and my lightsaber. now i need to decide what item and for what reason.

    will he socket a set item?
     
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    Re: Glithing Dia / Baal?! (+ few small questions)

    Some items can't have sockets (throwing weapons, boots, belts), so not even Larzuk will add a socket to them.
    People usually use their socket quests on equip they consider end game (something they most likely won't replace by something else in the near future). You can allways make new char for more Larzuk quests.
     

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