German school spree killer kills 15

[Garbad_the_Weak]

German school spree killer kills 15

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7936817.stm

This is not the first time. 37 people were injured in 2006, and 17 were killed in 2002. Oddly, the incidence of school spree killings in germany appears higher than in the US. This despite the fact that germany has very strict antigun laws.

So does this impact your stance on gun control laws? If they were ineffective, should we try to make them even more strict? Or perhaps arm school security so this kind of thing doesn't happen again? Or should be just blame it on american tv and video games?

What do you think?

 

[Amra]

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Oddly, the incidence of school spree killings in germany appears higher than in the US. This despite the fact that germany has very strict antigun laws.

Why in the world do you say oddly??

So does this impact your stance on gun control laws?

Yes. They should be relaxed so that people properly trained can defend themselves if they so choose.

Or perhaps arm school security so this kind of thing doesn't happen again?

If the school has the responsibility to protect the children - which I think they do - then they should be doing that to the best of their ability.

Or should be just blame it on american tv and video games?

The rest of the world doesn't have TV and video games? Or are you saying that only American TV is violent?

 

[trashX]

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oddly because gun ownership is far higher in the US

most televsion shows are from the united states, any many that arent are copies of originals. most movies are made in the us and so on.

do you have any site or info that compares the us to germany? im doing a presentation about this in school

 

[Garbad_the_Weak]

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do you have any site or info that compares the us to germany? im doing a presentation about this in school

It depends on what info you want. If its just basic facts the CIA world factbook is pretty useful:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gm.html

 

[trashX]

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should have specified sorry, i meant related to school shootings

 

[Amra]

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oddly because gun ownership is far higher in the US

Meaning what? Are you trying to say that the physical number of firearms present in a given country correlates directly with the amount of gun violence? If so, I have some news for you.

im doing a presentation about this in school

Good timing for you then.

You may want to look into this information.

* Twice as many children are killed playing football in school than are murdered by guns. That’s right. Despite what media coverage might seem to indicate, there are more deaths related to high school football than guns. In a recent three year period, twice as many football players died from hits to the head, heat stroke, etc. (45), as compared with students who were murdered by firearms (22) during that same time period.6

 

[Garbad_the_Weak]

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You may want to look into this information.

gunowners.org is not a reliable source of objective information.

 

[trashX]

Re: German school spree killer kills 15

Meaning what? Are you trying to say that the physical number of firearms present in a given country correlates directly with the amount of gun violence? If so, I have some news for you.


Good timing for you then.

You may want to look into this information.

* Twice as many children are killed playing football in school than are murdered by guns. That’s right. Despite what media coverage might seem to indicate, there are more deaths related to high school football than guns. In a recent three year period, twice as many football players died from hits to the head, heat stroke, etc. (45), as compared with students who were murdered by firearms (22) during that same time period.6

no i didnt say that gun ownership average has anything to do with school shootings.... many anti-gun folks may though and ive seen a lot of newspaper articles stating its because of high gun ownership. german shooting my be proof against it

that isnt relavent to my topic sorry, im doing it about the german shootings, and wanted to compare them to american shootings, since they have the highest amount. going on another tangent wont make my teacher happy and its only 7 minutes anyway(the oral report that is)

 

[Amra]

Re: German school spree killer kills 15

gunowners.org is not a reliable source of objective information.

Not reliable or not biased? There is a big difference. You are free to check their sources - which are clearly listed - and refute them.

no i didnt say that gun ownership average has anything to do with school shootings....

But you did say "oddly" which indicates you have a predisposition.

 

[Ariadne]

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But you did say "oddly" which indicates you have a predisposition.

so do you. :wink:
with not much (american) football going on in Europe, there's less incidents of that too.

 

[Garbad_the_Weak]

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Not reliable or not biased? There is a big difference. You are free to check their sources - which are clearly listed - and refute them.

Protip: Don't get your facts from someone whose goal is to convince you they are right.

 

[SaroDarksbane]

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Protip: Don't get your facts from someone whose goal is to convince you they are right.

Generally good advice. The other way to say it would be "Don't trust anyone who would never post evidence contrary to their established opinion."

Although, if the sources are cited, they can still be useful as a means to find more reliable places to get your information. This is why Wikipedia is so useful as a source of research; you can't cite wiki directly, but you can follow the links to something you can.

 

[Garbad_the_Weak]

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Just tell any teacher who won't accept wiki cites that she is a laggard and behind the times. Its no different than citing a meat encyclopedia (do you have any idea who they are or their references, either?)

Wiki is the sum of all human knowledge. You will respect it. Amen.

 

[Glurin]

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Yes, the sum of all human knowledge, including groups dedicated to presenting that information in a way that supports their particular viewpoint.

What better way to gain support for your cause than through a supposedly unbiased medium?

 

[lAmebAdger]

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Wiki is the sum of all human knowledge. You will respect it. Amen.

start a religion, will ya...

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on topic: well, this killer had a rich family, had normal life and left school with a transcript... but he also had around 17-18 legal guns at home!!! (automatic ones, blabla, ... he used a beretta in his shootings, i think)

i say: if you're gonna have any anti-gun laws, make them so that crazy people can't legally get a gun-license! (and when he like.. gets that many guns into his home when he gets it, why would any rational person give him a gun-license?)

 

[Amra]

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Protip: Don't get your facts from someone whose goal is to convince you they are right.

Gee.... shivers up and down my spine.

I see you didn't refute the information. Easier to just pull a donny for you.

Unlike you, I try and keep an open mind. Unless you can show me info to change my mind.

 

[WildBerry]

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* Twice as many children are killed playing football in school than are murdered by guns. That’s right. Despite what media coverage might seem to indicate, there are more deaths related to high school football than guns. In a recent three year period, twice as many football players died from hits to the head, heat stroke, etc. (45), as compared with students who were murdered by firearms (22) during that same time period.6

How many of those 45 deaths were murders with intention, just wondering? We can always argue how more people die into diabetes than knives so if you're going to ban knives on aeroplanes you should start with sugar, but that does not make any sense.

The other is about a person taking a conscious risk for herself, the other is about trying to eliminate the chances of a person to harm others.

 

[Ariadne]

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How many of those 45 deaths were murders with intention, just wondering? We can always argue how more people die into diabetes than knives so if you're going to ban knives on aeroplanes you should start with sugar, but that does not make any sense.

The other is about a person taking a conscious risk for herself, the other is about trying to eliminate the chances of a person to harm others.

I'm sorry but that just brought an image to my mind... "I'm going to murder him. I don't know how yet, but I will first start by making him play football!"

 

[Ariadne]

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Just tell any teacher who won't accept wiki cites that she is a laggard and behind the times. Its no different than citing a meat encyclopedia (do you have any idea who they are or their references, either?)

Wiki is the sum of all human knowledge. You will respect it. Amen.

Yay. I'm behind times. Wiki is generally fine for looking up things about famous people or so, but I wouldn't trust it as a source for important matters.

 

[Dondrei]

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This is not the first time. 37 people were injured in 2006, and 17 were killed in 2002. Oddly, the incidence of school spree killings in germany appears higher than in the US. This despite the fact that germany has very strict antigun laws.

Uh... and how many have you had since 2002 exactly?

Just tell any teacher who won't accept wiki cites that she is a laggard and behind the times. Its no different than citing a meat encyclopedia (do you have any idea who they are or their references, either?)

Wiki is the sum of all human knowledge. You will respect it. Amen.

The people who contribute to real encyclopedias are respectable gentlemen with moustaches and pipes.

Anyway, like he said just follow the links and use them. Why anyone who refuses to accept wikipedia links would accept any other information on the internet is beyond me though.