FYI: Poison Damage.

[HBeachBabe]

Would assume that if a necro uses venom from an item even if used with PD then the duration would most likely be venoms duratiion, though if found to be different I'd jumping on every venom item I could find.

my guess is that other classes using the assassin venom skill will still find all poison lengths reduced to .4 seconds. it's a function of the skill, regardless of class.

BTW, where can a necro get Venom from?

 

[lextalionis]

BTW, where can a necro get Venom from?

Arachnid Mesh
Spiderweb Sash
Defense: 119-138 (varies)(Base Defense: 55-62)
Required Level: 80
Required Strength: 50
Durability: 12
16 Boxes
+90-120% Enhanced Defense (varies)
Slows Target By 10%
+1 To All Skills
+20% Faster Cast Rate
Increases Maximum Mana 5%
Level 3 Venom (11 Charges)
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.10 or later)

 

[Necrochild313]

If you could give me a link to the Tao of Poison I'd much appreciate it, I've tried to search for it long and hard only to have my search narrowed down to "poison"

 

[Lunatic]

http://www.diabloii.net/strategy/x-articles/taopoison.shtml

 

[JoJeck]

Would assume that if a necro uses venom from an item even if used with PD then the duration would most likely be venoms duratiion, though if found to be different I'd jumping on every venom item I could find.

Fortunately your assumption is wrong and my memory is correct. So start looking for those Venom Items. On the Amazon Basin in the Necro section is a post by Brianc84 dated May18 which details the way Venom works in conjunction with PD. It seems Venom does not shorten the duration of PD (as I suggested in my original post here) and can make a useful if somewhat expensive way of boosting damage.

Using an Arachnid Mesh Brianc84 says that the level 3 Venom boosts the damage by 26.9% for a level 30 PD that is fully synergised. Since the boost is constant the % gain would be even more for lower level or less synergised PD. The PD skill can be thought of as extending the duration of the high rate, but short duration Venom poison damage.

 

[darnocpdx]

Andys mask has got venom charges as wel, if my memory serves me right.

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[Necrochild313]

http://www.diabloii.net/strategy/x-articles/taopoison.shtml

Thank you sir lunatic, Praises be to you! :worship:

 

[darnocpdx]

If you could give me a link to the Tao of Poison I'd much appreciate it, I've tried to search for it long and hard only to have my search narrowed down to "poison"

Good luck with it if you can get his math to work let me know how. None of his results jibe. I've gotten close on a couple, but using that 10.6 and 256 in his formulas don't even match his numbers when he gives exmples (try the Tal Rune for example).

Also there is no need to go through all that "bite" damage etc....Don't understand why he shys away from decimal points.

 

[lextalionis]

Andys mask has got venom charges as wel, if my memory serves me right.

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I checked it does.

 

[royalesse]

going the other way... anyone know what happens if you use the charges on gargoyles bite on an assasin to throw a plague java?

 

[brianc84]

Good luck with it if you can get his math to work let me know how. None of his results jibe. I've gotten close on a couple, but using that 10.6 and 256 in his formulas don't even match his numbers when he gives exmples (try the Tal Rune for example).

What seems to be the problem here? What numbers aren't working out?

TAL Rune: 154 damage/frame, 125 frames long, 19250 bite damage
(154 damage/frame) * (125 frames) = 19250 damage
(154 damage/frame) / (256 damage/hp) = 154/256 hp/frame
(154 damage/frame) * (25 frames/second) = 3850 damage/second
(3850 damage/second) / (256 damage/hp) = 15+10/256 hp/second
(125 frames) / (25 frames/sec) = 5 seconds
(15+10/256 hp/second) * (5 seconds) = (75+50/256) hp
(19250 damage) / (256 damage/hp) = (75+50/256) hp

All seems fine.

Also there is no need to go through all that "bite" damage etc....Don't understand why he shys away from decimal points.

That's most likely since:
-That's exactly how poison damage works
-The game rarely ever uses decimals in its calculations

 

[darnocpdx]

I don't have a problem with the examples you've given, those are fine, however how he gets the bite damage of 154 for the rune is beyond me. Given the info he gives and the numbers he gives I have as of yet not been able to get 154 from a Tal.

K never mind I got it now 75/125*256=153.6.

I never was good with story problems.

 

[brianc84]

The bite damage comes straight from the game files. The game never sees poison damage as a total damage over a duration but as a bite damage per frame for a number of frames.

 

[darnocpdx]

I'd agree but people aren't computers (well at lest not all of us, stupid robots) so I'm gunna stand by method as the simpler method. After all the results are the same, it's just a matter of preference.

 

[lextalionis]

going the other way... anyone know what happens if you use the charges on gargoyles bite on an assasin to throw a plague java?

I loaded it up in Single Player and it wasn't very effective in the Hell Blood Moor. As for the timer, the timer of Plague Javelin was not reduced by Venom.