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  1. Trionth

    Trionth Diabloii.Net Member

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    Fun Melee Sorc Help

    I've got a level 85 Sorceress that isn't any particular build. While reading different guides, and melee sorceress looks like the most fun (hate dealing with the mana :\)

    Bear sorceresses looks really cool, but I need to get a 'Dream' Shield to follow the guides (Playing NL) This is what I'm thinking:

    20 Enchant
    20 Fire Mastery
    20 Warmth
    20 Lightning Mastery
    1 Static Field
    1 Teleport
    1 Fire Bolt
    1 Fire Ball
    1 Telekinesis
    1 Energy Shield

    Helm: 'Dream'
    Armor: Chains of Honor
    Gloves: Dracul's Grasp
    Rings: Ravenfrost, Angelic or SoJ?
    Amulet: Angelic or maras or Highlords?
    Belt: String of Ears or Arachs?
    Boots: Gore Rider or Treks or Water walks?
    Weapon: 'Beast' (in a 2h axe)
    Weapon switch: 6x Shael Phase Blade
    Shield switch: 'Dream' Shield (once I get one)


    I just need to find a big 2h Axe to make 'Beast' in (because I think it would look cool) I'm trying to decide what axe though...

    Other problems I see:

    I need IAS when using 'Beast'. Once I get a 'Dream' Shield and start plaing as a bear I'll be fine (6x Shaeld PB) Ideally I would like to use 'Beast' + 'Dream' (I would but a 'Beast' BA on if its feasible) but I want max attack speed.

    Lifesteal seems to be a problem plaguing bear sorcs. With Dracs, SoE, and CoH should I be fine? I'll have Eneregy shield up when I'm not in bear mode, but I would like to avoid it as a bear (just for looks)

    Killing speed shouldn't be a problem as a bear with the Phase Blade (and I assume I'll be doing fine normally with 'Beast' if I can get my IAS up enough.) Anyone have input on this?

    What kind of damage will I be looking at:
    In bear mode?
    In bear mode with 'Beast' beserker axe/fanatasim? (assuming I can get the IAS somewhere else)
    Normally using 'Beast' 2H?

    What 2h axe should I use to make 'Beast' in? I've never seen anyone wielding one, do they all have the same look when wielded? a 2-headed one (like the decapitator) would look cooler than a 1-headed. Silver-edged axe seems better balanced overall though.

    Can I be a Bear Sorceress without the 'Dream' Shield (just the helm)?

    Do I need the AR from the 2 Angelic Pieces? If not I can get IAS in the ammy (highlords) and maybe in the ring?

    What should I use for a Mercenary? I have:
    Eth 'Infinity' Thresher (Bear sorc guide suggestion)
    Eth 4k def 'Stone'
    1.7k def 'Duress'
    Eth 'Doom' cryptic axe
    Vampire gaze

    (Underlined are what I was thinking...)

    Should I use a Might merc for the boost? Holy freeze merc for the slow? Something else crazy?

    Thanks for any help!
     
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    zrk Diabloii.Net Member

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    Re: Fun Melee Sorc Help

    2h weapons are kind of pointless - dual dream elemental damage is so insane that no physical damage could come close to it

    i did demos of bear and zeal sorc cs runs in p8 with top end gear equivalence, to give an idea -

     
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    Re: Fun Melee Sorc Help

    Yeah... a big 2h Axe on a frail little sorceress would look sweet though. Especially where (If I were to get a 'Dream' Shield) you don't use the 'Beast' except to transform into the bear.

    How would I fare as a Bear Sorceress with just the 'Dream' Helm?

    Sweet videos by the way :thumbup: (what gives Zeal?)

    What is casting the... blaze? The fire thing (it has to be a chance to cast XX on striking something)

    Is a bear sorc decent in PvP? Dealing... however much damage that was to 3-hit Diablo and 1-hit every other monster :shocked:
     
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    Re: Fun Melee Sorc Help

    I made a dual dream sorc at the very end of ladder when everyone was unloading cheap :D She's alot of fun.

    Gear:

    "Dream" Bone visage
    "Dream" Troll Nest
    "passion" Phaseblade <-- the item that gives zeal
    Magefists
    arach
    waterwalks
    4os 99life gothic plate w/ cham, [email protected]/45ias
    Angelic ammy + 2x rings

    Inventory of light gc's, torch anni, 20life sc's (Would of liked to get life/mana but it wasn;t a serious character.)

    And an infinity merc :D

    The damage is just incredible, and she even tele's at a bearable speed.

    Good luck with yours, i'm considering trying out the bear version now myself :)
     
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    Re: Fun Melee Sorc Help

    So. I respec'd and made a bear sorceress yesterday. By far the most fun build I have ever played :grin:

    I need to get a 'Dream' shield, and 6x shael pb yet, but even without it (and using beast as weapon) I do 15k+ damage.

    I've got a few gear questions:
    Helm: 'Dream'
    Armor: Chains of Honor
    Gloves: Dracul's Grasp
    Rings: Ravenfrost, Wisp Projector
    Amulet: Highlords?
    Belt: Verdungos
    Boots: Treks
    Weapon: 'Beast'
    Shield: 'Spirit'
    Weapon switch: 6x Shael Phase Blade (once I get one)
    Shield switch: 'Dream' Shield (once I get one)

    I have a few pieces of equipment to play with, so:

    Would Fortitude be better than Chains of Honor?

    Would a eBotDz or 'Grief' PB, or a 'Last Wish' PB, be better then a 6x shael blade?

    I'm just looking at damage. I know she'll already do ~30k but if I can get more, why not?

    EDIT: What would be the exact amount of IAS I would need? (is it 94%?)

    Then I would need 5 Shaels in it (is there already an increased attack speed because its a phase blade?)

    The rest of the sockets I want to fill with 5/5 Light facets :evil2: This might be a fun build for PvP (dunno how it would fare vs people with 75% resists though)

    If I put a 'Dream' helm on my merc, would that benefit me? (would all three auras stack?) and What about a 'Dragon' Platebody on him?
     
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    Re: Fun Melee Sorc Help

    guardian angel offers the most if you want an armor for safety. merc auras dont stack with you.. however they are used for the stack bug
     
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    Re: Fun Melee Sorc Help

    Stack bug?

    I've wondered about this (I dunno if its what you mean) Are the two 'Dream' Auras supposed to stack? My friend was telling me its just a bug and he thinks they fixed it (guess I won't know until I get the Shield)

    If my Mercenary has a Holy shock or Holy Fire aura going, will it improve my damage?

    I'm not too worried about survivability to be honest. This is mostly a mule, and just to bring to games with friends to be fun and different (maybe run Normal and Nightmare games to level friends.) I've tested her in PvP, but I cannot get enough attack rating to do anything lol. Its rare that anyone takes more than 2 or 3 hits from her, but I still have to swing and miss way to much to be a threat :\


     
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    Re: Fun Melee Sorc Help

    When the game thinks your merc has 999x lvl15 Holy Fire stacked together instead of 3x.

    Yes, they are supposed to and it's not a bug. Blizzard is supposed to have fixed a stacking bug more akin to the first one I described, which was also used on Auradins.

    Why would they?

    Grab an Infy merc. Much more damage + eliminates AR issues in PvM + CB + whatever aura flies your fancy.

    AR is a big one in PvP. Search posts by Rickster for a successful account of PvP Dreamer.

    Btw, don't try to boost your physical damage at all (Grief, Fort... LW?!). It will suck however you try it. Swinging your 30k (or 60k if you try hard) faster is the way to go, which is why people use Passion or Shael Pbs (Bearsorc only).


     
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    Re: Fun Melee Sorc Help

    So, What if I scrapped "Bear Sorc" (although I might keep the shael'd blade and 'Beast' in stash for fun) and just made her Melee with Zeal? This would allow me to teleport, and keep CtA on switch.

    Would you change the skill allocation for this or keep it at:
    Helm: 'Dream'
    Armor: Chains of Honor or Treachery? (Trachery for the Fade and IAS)
    Gloves: Dracul's Grasp or 20 IAS rares (need the IAS if I use CoH)
    Rings: Ravenfrost, SoJ, or Angelic
    Amulet: Highlords, or Angelic
    Belt: Arachnid Mesh
    Boots: Treks
    Weapon: 'Passion'
    Shield: 'Dream'
    Weapon switch: 'Call to Arms'
    Shield switch: 'Spirit'

    This seems to be more realistic for PvM. With an Infinity Blessed Aim merc I shouldn't have a problem with using Highlords (for the IAS) and still being able to hit (Blessed Aim gives AR plus infinity -defense)

    What should I make 'Passion' in? I assume a Phase Blade would be best.
     
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    Re: Fun Melee Sorc Help

    This is the setup I would use on a PvM Zeal Dreamer:

    Helm: 'Dream'
    Armor: Skin of the Vmagi (faceted or Um'ed)
    Gloves: LoH or 20IAS rares (unless you use Grief + Fort, which is not advisable, even Life Tap will have pitiful leech)
    Rings: Raven, SoJ
    Amulet: Highlord's
    Belt: Arach
    Boots: Trek's or Tri-res rares
    Weapon: 'Passion' Pb
    Shield: 'Dream'
    Weapon switch: CtA
    Shield switch: Lidless (you're far from 156 str req on other pieces, so +1BO isn't worth it)

    Merc with HF or Prayer. BA is not needed, Conviction alone is enough.

    The setup reaches 5-swing Zeal, fastest Zeal bp (65% total IAS), 63%FCR bp (safe tele) on switch, and decent resists (probably will need charms for maxing). If you don't care about tele speed like I do, Vmagi could be switched for CoH (for non-ES), GBane (for ES) and the like.

    I'd probably use ES too (20 TK 1 ES, with an appropriate life/mana balance), and cut into the fire damage. Don't bother with ES if you don't plan on investing in TK.
     
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    Re: Fun Melee Sorc Help

    Hmm, I'll probably just scrap Energy Shield then and go max life. I hate the thing above my head anyways.

    I didn't even think of Laying of Hands for the 20 IAS... Plus the great Fire resist and Huge damage to demons (not that it matters much)

    Thanks for all the input!
     
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    Re: Fun Melee Sorc Help

    Gunna make a new post here rather than edit so this get some attention:

    ANOTHER RESPEC!!

    She needs to be better.

    I'm thinking Zeal Sorceress now.

    I want to go max block and max resists (which will be difficult because of my limited options for 'Dream's)

    I'll just assume the 'Dreams' have +10 all resist each and with 20 from torch, 15 from anni, and 30 from the anya quests putting me at 75 all resists before my variable gear. I want to get 90 all resists (guardian angel)

    Helm: 'Dream'
    Armor: Guardian Angel (with 15% IAS 15 Resist All Jewel) 15
    Gloves: IK Gloves
    Rings: Raven, SoJ
    Amulet: Mara's (perfect 30 all resist)
    Belt: IK Belt 31 Lighting 28 Fire
    Boots: Waterwalks
    Weapon: 'Passion'
    Shield: 'Dream'
    Weapon switch: CtA
    Shield switch: Lidless

    My Hell resists will be:
    Fire: -27
    Cold: -55
    Lightning: -24
    Poison: -55

    This will get me the fastest Zeal speed of 65% IAS, and a ton easier to get max block. I still want to get max resists, but I would have to fill my inventroy with 39x 5 resist all small Charms, and I don't want to do that. Is there a way to acheive 90 resist all? (even if I don't have the fastest Zeal speed)

    Heres my skill allocation (going for max energy shield)
    20 Lightning Mastery
    20 Telekenisis
    20 Enchant
    20 Warmth
    1 Energy Shield (does this need more to be most effective?)
    1 Thunderstorm
    1 Fire Mastery
     
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    Ik isnt that great, - 15/15 jewel in a pvm armor is an incredible waste imo. cheaper and higher performance would be highlord,20ias rare gloves/laying,arach
     
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    Then I loose Resists from Mara's. If I socket the Guardian Angel with an Um, I wouldn't lose the resists there. The LoH would put me at +23% Fire resist (with maras) I still can't find a way to get 75 to all (much less 90 to all :\)
     
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    Re: Fun Melee Sorc Help

    The setup above only has 60 IAS. Passion(25)+LoH(20)+IAS Jewel(15)
    edit: whoops, I missed the IK gloves.. doh

    There are two different basic gear sets I would use.

    CoH/LoH/Highlords - +3 skills & 20 FCR
    Treachery/Magefists/Maras +2 skills & 40 FCR

    If you get your ES on a staff (CtA or Memory) you save 4 skill points and can max out skill 5 (Fire Mastery) at 93-94.

    For maxblock I would ditch the Dream for a proper block shield. Damage is still good with just one dream.
     
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    Re: Fun Melee Sorc Help

    Yeah, for the above I would be hitting the 9/8 Zeal instead of the 10/7. I would have slightly better resists though.

    I'm probably going to just use CoH, LoH, Highlords, etc... and scrap max block.

    I'm trying to debate if energy shield should be maxed or not... I can cut into Warmth, or just leave 1 point in it and be fine.
     
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    Re: Fun Melee Sorc Help

    cold and poison res are pretty much unnecessary for pvm, thats why laying+highlord works so well for melee chars(and bowas). without max block mana burners(or even regular monsters kill mana fast) will be a major problem unless you got an inv of lifers lulz at least my coh zealer test with 9 45ers was like that
     
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    Re: Fun Melee Sorc Help

    Yeah...

    So I really want to get 90 resist all with Guardian Angel. What are the chances I'll be able to find +1 Lightning w/ Resists? I've seen other members say they have managed 90 resist all on their Zeal Sorcs, I just can't see how. Even if I sacrifice IAS to get 90 resist all I would prefer that. FCR doesn't matter either as it will just be used to place my mercenary, and to stomp. If you look at the end of the Bear Sorc Video (at the beginning of the thread) He/She has maxed 90 Resist all, but I can't see where its all from. Perfect 'Dream's would give me an extra 20 resists but that isn't going to make the difference :\

    Is there an item that has fade charges?

    I thought poison was what I needed to worry about most being an Energy Shield sorc...
     
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    i used 20/5 charms and 15 res on pb on the bear. and poison res is only needed if you go go energy es which is suicide in pvm anyway.
     
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    Re: Fun Melee Sorc Help

    I scrapped Energy Shield and went max life. Your resists still don't add up.

    Even if it was 10x 20/5 small charms thats only 50% Resists... I suppose if I could get perfect 'Dream's then all of it would add up.
     

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