from your point of veiw.....Bowzon

honkytonkyzonky

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from your point of veiw.....Bowzon

ello mates,



I was woundering about making a bowzon however, i have no idea what to point pointa into and what to wear(PVM) so, i was woundering if someone could help me out here so my char will be able to be able to hold her own in hell
plz help if u can thx alot
 

richo

Diabloii.Net Member
2 builds are there for a pvm bowazone (wich are rather cheap the expensive version is beneath the cheap one)

strafer/LF:
skills:
max strafe
max lightning fury
max penetrate
8x% pierce
7x% criticail strike
5x% dodge/avoid/evade
max valk

gear:
witchwild 2* shael
twitchtroe (shael or 15% ias jewel)
shako/giant skull (with 15 ias jewels)
wartravelers
laying of hands
nosferatu
dual leech ring
ravenfrost
highlords
switch:
titans
storm

expensive gear:
faith (gmb)
forti dusk
11x/45 or mav diadem (with 15 ias jewel)
war travelers
hitpower gloves (KB ias +2 passive skills)
nosferatu
dual leech ring
ravenfrost
highlords
switch:
titans
storm

frostmaiden:
skills:
max cold arrow
max frost arrow
max penetrate
1 point strafe
8x% pierce
7x% criticail
6x% dodge/avoid/evade
the rest of points in valkyrie

gear:
full mavina set (all sox with 15 ias jewels and weapoin with shael)
wartravelers
2* ravenfrost
highlords

expensive gear:
Ice MB
coh dusk
rare circlet +2 ama 30 frw dual leech resist
hitpower recipe gloves (KB 20 ias +2 bow)
dual leech ring
1* ravenfrost
highlords
switch:
harmony or CTA
+1 skill shield (with cta)

these builds are very strong even with the cheaper gear but there must be a difference ain't it?

i hope this helps

rgzzzz
RICHO
 

Decebal

Diabloii.Net Member
Nice answer Richo! :D

Like a recipe from a cook book! :p

You must love amazons!

Edit: You forgot to mention that a strafer needs a might merc using Pride and the Frostmaiden needs a merc using Infinity:p

/Dec
 

citybird

Diabloii.Net Member
yea, why max light fury? my straffer can take any monster in the game except dClone with a mixture of "cheap" and "expensive" gear.

I love the Ice Frostmaiden build. It's right on target for what I would do. I love the harmony on switch for the Valk Prebuff and viggor.
 

Peregrine

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My freezing arrow amazon:

Ice matriarchal bow (may trade for gmb now that I have perfect faith)
Fortitude armor
Kiras + um rune (83 total resistance)
Razortail
War Traveler
Highlords
Laying of Hands
Ravenfrost/leech rings

CTA + spirit on weapon switch

Skills are a bit different than richo listed. Valkyrie is fine with 1 point, penetrate doesn't need to be maxed because of the AR increase given by freezing arrow (and auto-hit of splash damage). Strafe is maxed for 10 arrow minimum and better damage for leech.

20 Freezing Arrow
20 Cold Arrow (damage synergy)
20 Strafe
1 Valkyrie
All other passives taken to point of diminishing returns.

Merc has:

Faith Great Bow
Ethereal Fortitude
Crown of Thieves


End result is 1400 life with CTA, 4k-ish defense, max resists in hell, and a holy freeze aura giving insane defense. She does about 1100 average strafe damage (at 8/2 speed), with about 3k splash damage at 7 fps (multiplied by 2+ with 95% pierce). Merc is a 2400+ hp tank, and carries the fanatacism aura for damage and ar increase, and even has 1500 damage to help kill stuff.
and the Frostmaiden needs a merc using Infinity:p
Nope, don't need one at all. With strafe mine kills any cold immunes just a tiny bit slower. I'd rather have a Faith merc.
 

Decebal

Diabloii.Net Member
I see the frostmaidens as magezons. And infinity is the way to go imo!

To benefit from the killing power of a Frostmaiden COH is better than Fortitude! Fortitude is better for a pure strafer thus enhancing the physical damage!

Kiras is a nice helmet! U get loads of resists! But For a manaconsuming frostmainde rare circlets/coronets/diadems are best. The one Richo listed is very nice! Another option might be Valkyries Wing, Shako and even Andariels Visage if u lack a nice rare circlet helmet.

Crafted Gloves 2 bow skills/20 ias/ ML/ knocback are better than LOH for a frostmaiden! LOH are good for a strafer imo!

And ICE runeword is best in MB...you need the IAS from the bow! Sure uyou do less physical damage but if u want physical damage use Faith on merc and WF on yourself! Than you will see RAW massive damage!

/Dec
 

Peregrine

Diabloii.Net Member
Decebal said:
To benefit from the killing power of a Frostmaiden COH is better than Fortitude! Fortitude is better for a pure strafer thus enhancing the physical damage!
Except fortitude gives you a good secondary attack with multi or strafe, giving you good leech and a way to kill cold immunes. And that's not even counting the massively better defense of Fortitude or the extra life given. The only benefit COH has is the +2 skills, which don't make up for the lost physical damage. And if I wanted that trade, I'd use Enigma and get the teleport/frw.

Kiras is a nice helmet! U get loads of resists! But For a manaconsuming frostmainde rare circlets/coronets/diadems are best. The one Richo listed is very nice! Another option might be Valkyries Wing, Shako and even Andariels Visage if u lack a nice rare circlet helmet.

Again, I disagree. I have near-base energy (never rushed the character, so had a few early points), and have no problem keeping up a steady supply of freezing arrows. As long as I'm actually shooting them at something, I never have mana problems. And even when low on mana, a quick strafe or two is a complete refill.

Crafted Gloves 2 bow skills/20 ias/ ML/ knocback are better than LOH for a frostmaiden! LOH are good for a strafer imo!
Of course they are. But getting a good pair of gloves is much more expensive. They're just not really cost-effective, it's much better to get LoH (nearly free) and save your currency for more important items like the Ice bow.

And ICE runeword is best in MB...you need the IAS from the bow! Sure uyou do less physical damage but if u want physical damage use Faith on merc and WF on yourself! Than you will see RAW massive damage!
That's why I'm not sure about the change. I'm undecided about whether going from 7 frames to 8 on freezing arrow is a good price for the good physical damge increase.


In general, you really underestimate the value of physical damge. It's extremely useful to have a second attack for dealing with spread out targets (inefficient splash damage for mana cost) or cold immunes. And with leech so badly reduced in 1.10, you need decent damage to leech from if you're going to keep up the freezing arrows.
 

Liliel

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If it helps... I'm building a magezon.

20 Frozen Arrow
20 Cold Arrow
20 Exploding Arrow
10+ Fire Arrow
10+ Valkyrie
1 Strafe

Upped Lycanders, or possibly Silence Crusader
Nightwing's Veil
Vipermagi, or maybe Tal's...
Razortail
Rare +2bow 20ias gloves
Silkweave
Mara's
SoJ
Manald Heal or rare life leech ring.
 

Decebal

Diabloii.Net Member
Peregrine said:
Except fortitude gives you a good secondary attack with multi or strafe, giving you good leech and a way to kill cold immunes. And that's not even counting the massively better defense of Fortitude or the extra life given. The only benefit COH has is the +2 skills, which don't make up for the lost physical damage. And if I wanted that trade, I'd use Enigma and get the teleport/frw.
Yes Fortitude does give u a lot of damage + defense! COH give a nice boost to str, dr, resist! For a Magezon it's witout a doubt the better option! Yhej key is Infinity on merc! Without infinity its hard! Try teleporting with an amazon using enigma! :lol: Rule out teleport and you might have a nice armor! But for a Frostmaiden COH>Fortitude>Enigma!

[/QUOTE]Again, I disagree. I have near-base energy (never rushed the character, so had a few early points), and have no problem keeping up a steady supply of freezing arrows. As long as I'm actually shooting them at something, I never have mana problems. And even when low on mana, a quick strafe or two is a complete refill.[/QUOTE]

There are manapots for this! But of course switching back to strafe u leec back some mana! This requires ML on helmet and a dual leech ring! life/mana and frw/mana sc are usefull here! I Consider Kiras Guardian NOT an option for this build! Besides for PvM your Valk and Merc should tank in front of you! Thus meaning u dont need to have those uber resists!


[/QUOTE]Of course they are. But getting a good pair of gloves is much more expensive. They're just not really cost-effective, it's much better to get LoH (nearly free) and save your currency for more important items like the Ice bow.[/QUOTE]

Yes LOH are good but we are talking about the best here! It's a matter of opinion whats costeffective or not! ;)



[/QUOTE]That's why I'm not sure about the change. I'm undecided about whether going from 7 frames to 8 on freezing arrow is a good price for the good physical damge increase.[/QUOTE]

MB is the better bow! Since you dont rely too much on the phisical damage its good to shot freezing arrows faster!


[/QUOTE]In general, you really underestimate the value of physical damge. It's extremely useful to have a second attack for dealing with spread out targets (inefficient splash damage for mana cost) or cold immunes. And with leech so badly reduced in 1.10, you need decent damage to leech from if you're going to keep up the freezing arrows.[/QUOTE]

Yes a secondary attack is necessary! But a strong merc using infinity, valkyrie should do the trick for a Frostmaiden! If I want PI damage i build a pure strafer or even a Multi shot Faith amazon using freezing arrow as backup for PI monsters! Infinity merc does allow you to take down monsters faster thus less mana consumtion!

I will build my Frostmaiden soon and i will post how she is doing!

/Dec
 

Omikron8

Diabloii.Net Member
honkytonkyzonky said:
but.......

Y max lightning fury??
Because the skill is horribly broken and overpowered against any decent pack of monsters without big lightning resistances, and there are MANY such packs in hell. Just at level 20 and some cracked javelin it can cause extreme damage if you have sufficient pierce.
 

slam

Diabloii.Net Member
richo said:
frostmaiden:
skills:
max cold arrow
max frost arrow
max penetrate
1 point strafe
8x% pierce
7x% criticail
6x% dodge/avoid/evade
the rest of points in valkyrie
isn't frozen arrow an always hit spell? in which case, what is the penetrate for?
or am i wrong?
 

Peregrine

Diabloii.Net Member
slam said:
isn't frozen arrow an always hit spell? in which case, what is the penetrate for?
or am i wrong?
The splash damage is auto-hit, but the arrow itself isn't. You'll always hit and trigger the splash damage, assuming you aim right. But you need AR to leech, and leech is critical to this character.

Though I disagree with max penetrate. With only 10ish penetrate (counting + skills) I have over 85% chance to hit, closer to 95% for some things. Freezing arrow already gives a significant AR bonus, and you'll have high dex anyway. Your skill points are better spent elsewhere.
 

slam

Diabloii.Net Member
Peregrine said:
The splash damage is auto-hit, but the arrow itself isn't. You'll always hit and trigger the splash damage, assuming you aim right. But you need AR to leech, and leech is critical to this character.

Though I disagree with max penetrate. With only 10ish penetrate (counting + skills) I have over 85% chance to hit, closer to 95% for some things. Freezing arrow already gives a significant AR bonus, and you'll have high dex anyway. Your skill points are better spent elsewhere.
Thanks Peregrine - I didn't know that.

Personally, I always say leveling up is the best way to increase your chance to hit :)
 
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