France took bribes from Iraq's oil minister to take an anti-war stance

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Hellfire

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France took bribes from Iraq's oil minister to take an anti-war stance

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=30411

Anti-War Nations "Took Bribes" before War Began


For the Record: 28 January 2004, Wednesday.
By Anne Penketh

The Independent

Claims that dozens of politicians, including some from prominent anti-war countries such as France, had taken bribes to support Saddam Hussein are to be investigated by the Iraqi authorities. The US-backed Iraqi Governing Council decided to check after an independent Baghdad newspaper, al-Mada, published a list which it said was based on oil ministry documents.

The 46 individuals, companies and organisations inside and outside Iraq were given millions of barrels of oil, the documents show. Thousands of papers were looted from the State Oil Marketing Organisation after Baghdad fell to US forces on 9 April.

"I think the list is true," Naseer Chaderji, a Governing Council member, said. "I will demand an investigation. These people must be prosecuted." Rumours had circulated for months that documents implicating senior French individuals were about to surface. Such evidence would undermine the French position before the war when President Jacques Chirac staked out the moral high ground in opposing the invasion.

A senior Bush administration official said Washington was aware of the reports but refused further comment. Another US source said that incriminating oil ministry documents allegedly implicating France concerned the two-year period before the war, when the UN sanctions were in danger of collapse.

French diplomats have dismissed any suggestion that their foreign policy was influenced by payments from Saddam. The French have always insisted their anti-war stance did not mean support for Saddam. But British diplomats suspected France's steadfast opposition to the war was driven by something other than the reasons stated by President Chirac.

"Oil runs thicker than blood," is how one former ambassador put his suspicions about the French motives for opposing action against Saddam.

The list quoted by al-Mada included members of Arab ruling families, religious organisations, politicians and political parties from Egypt, Jordan, Syria, the United Arab Emirates, Turkey, Sudan, China, Austria, France and other countries. But no names were available last night.

Organisations named include the Russian Orthodox Church and the Russian Communist Party, India's Congress Party and the Palestine Liberation Organisation. The United States and Britain launched the war on Iraq on 19 March, 2003 without UN approval after tense negotiations in the Security Council collapsed in the face of a veto threat from France. France's relations with Britain and the US deteriorated to their worst point in decades over the Iraq rift, and have yet to heal.

China, another Security Council permanent member with veto power which is named by al-Mada, was also opposed to the Iraq invasion. Arab countries, in addition to France, had warned of the risk of instability spreading throughout the Middle East as a result of the war. Turkey, a Nato member, was a crucial player because of the opposition to the war among its Muslim majority population. There is the possibility that the documents in al-Mada are forgeries. At present there is almost a war of documents under way as Iraqis come to the realisation that they could be used as blackmail or as a settling of scores. And the leak of the documents could be a manipulation by the US-backed authorities in Iraq to discredit France.

The Iraqi authorities will be keen to interview prominent Iraqi officials held by the Coalition Provisional Authority who could shed light on illegal payments. Those officials include the former oil minister, Amer Mohammed Rashid. Assem Jihad, an oil ministry spokesman, said the documents stolen from his ministry may prove Saddam used bribery to gain support. "Anyone stealing Iraqi wealth will be prosecuted," he said.

Although under sanctions from the 1990 invasion of Kuwait until after the second Gulf War, the Iraqi government could sell oil under a UN agreement that proceeds from the oil sales be used to buy food, medicine and basic supplies.

Some international companies selling goods to Iraq may have paid commissions to Iraqi officials that were deposited in Arab banks in exchange for contracts under the oil for food deal. A paper trail should exist.

Saddam smuggled out billions of dollars worth of oil through Turkey, a Syrian pipeline and Iranian coastal waters. The Americans turned a blind eye to the smuggling via Turkey, because they needed to keep their Nato ally on board.
Dispicable... France isn't our ally, they are a competitor and should be treated as such. We should isolate France from US affairs.
 

toader

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YES!!!

Finally we have evidnece...prosecute the whole stinky country!!!2!!





edit: for the slower folks (maccool) the preceeding statement is sarcastic and meant to sound childish on purpose.
 

maccool

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You know what's fun? Reading and understanding the entire article, not just the headline.

But yeah, burn France. What have they ever done for us?

same article said:
There is the possibility that the documents in al-Mada are forgeries. At present there is almost a war of documents under way as Iraqis come to the realisation that they could be used as blackmail or as a settling of scores. And the leak of the documents could be a manipulation by the US-backed authorities in Iraq to discredit France.
 

AeroJonesy

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Let's wait and see what the investigations will turn up. If true, it's wholly unsurprising. Politicians like money almost as much as they like themselves.
 

Hellfire

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This reminds me of the thread about the Canadian man who claimed he was kidnapped and flown to Syria. Who do you believe?

I think the documents are real. I guess we'll have to wait and see. If these documents turn out to be true, France will have hell to pay.
 

LunarSolaris

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maccool said:
You know what's fun? Reading and understanding the entire article, not just the headline.

But yeah, burn France. What have they ever done for us?
Well since you ask mr. Man... I'll tell you why we shouldn't burn france. ;)

1. They gave us French bread. Sure... it's just long bread.... but man... it goes well with spagetti and a wide variety of things. This is some useful bread!

2. Euro Disney.... *ack* come to think of it... scratch that.

3. Berets... yeah, so it's a stupid looking hat - but many a pop-star has made a nice fashion statement using them.

4. Wine. This speaks for itself... and to our livers.

5. Hairy women... ok.... so they haven't discovered the many nifty uses for razors yet....





Meh... come to think of it.... BURN IT ALL!! :teeth:
 

toader

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What have they done for us...hmm let me think back....


I was just a boy at the time, but if I remember correctly, the USA wouldnt exist if not for the french. I remember them sending TONS of troops to help us beat the British, who at the time were winning the war and had us vastly outnumbered.

But that was their one moment in the sunray we call courage, but it cant be overlooked.
 

Indemaijinj

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Hellfire said:
This reminds me of the thread about the Canadian man who claimed he was kidnapped and flown to Syria. Who do you believe?

I think the documents are real. I guess we'll have to wait and see. If these documents turn out to be true, France will have hell to pay.

I have a sneaking fear that if it stood to you we would have a second Omaha Beach landing, but this time without any ****s around.

EDIT: Hooray for automatic post editing. The four letters imply a certain very destructive political phenomenon.
 

Hellfire

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Didnt we save france like 2 times? without us, they would be speaking german.

actually 3 if you count vietnam.
 

llad12

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I seem to recall that Bush's "Coalition of the Willing" has been termed "Coalition of the Bribed and Bullied" by many.

I also seem to recall that the US offered Turkey ~ 15 - 20 Billion dollars in loans and grants if they could use Turkey as a staging point for the invasion of Iraq. The Turks refused.

Oops ...
 

Ash Housewares

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yep, we sure saved them in Vietnam, and they weren't really saved in WWI, in fact, in the wake of WWI they were the most powerful nation in Europe

in WWII France got beaten like a drum, but that instance somehow has come to be attributed to the whole of French history?

I never understood such a vindictive attitude towards a nation that has always been our ally, but then again, a refusal is not the act of a friend, and I forgot we run our country like the mafia now, time to put a hit on France :xrollseye
 
toader said:
What have they done for us...hmm let me think back....


I was just a boy at the time, but if I remember correctly, the USA wouldnt exist if not for the french. I remember them sending TONS of troops to help us beat the British, who at the time were winning the war and had us vastly outnumbered.

But that was their one moment in the sunray we call courage, but it cant be overlooked.
I think that was before all the intelligent frenchmen emmigrated to Quebec.

I any diaspora, the smart ones are the first to leave.

NB :p
 

Anakha1

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Hellfire said:
This reminds me of the thread about the Canadian man who claimed he was kidnapped and flown to Syria. Who do you believe?

I think the documents are real. I guess we'll have to wait and see. If these documents turn out to be true, France will have hell to pay.
Oh, hell to pay, huh? You're going to invade france now?

And as for the Canadian guy, he never claimed he was kidnapped. Way to completely misremember anything that you don't like. He was arrested and wrongly deported to the wrong country.

France has a right to decide where it sends its forces. It doesn't HAVE to do everything the U.S. want it to.
 

CookiesnCream

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toader said:
What have they done for us...hmm let me think back....


I was just a boy at the time, but if I remember correctly, the USA wouldnt exist if not for the french. I remember them sending TONS of troops to help us beat the British, who at the time were winning the war and had us vastly outnumbered.

But that was their one moment in the sunray we call courage, but it cant be overlooked.
Actually we helped the French in WW1 and WW2. But back to the topic, politicans in a captilist society care about money. So they were "morally" opposed to the war? Politicans don't "morally" support anything unless there is something in it for them.
 

publius

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Hellfire said:
Didnt we save france like 2 times? without us, they would be speaking german.

actually 3 if you count vietnam.
Oh boy, historical revision is fun, isn't it? I'd imagine if the French realized alliances with the United States required eternal gratitude, they wouldn't have been so quick to accept our aid, especially considering what constitutes "saving them."

Consider how in World War I it was essentially a British-French alliance that halted the German advance, including the final Kaiserschlaut (sp?). U.S. troops arrived just in time for the mopping up and the push into Germany.

World War II, they and most of continental Europe were conquered by a German Blitz*. The liberation came three years later by US, British, and Canadian troops, two years after the German Army was finally stopped outside of Stalingrad (many people believe they delayed the second front in Europe so that the Soviet Union would take the brunt of the German war machine).

Vietnam, the French had already abandoned the colony long before the United States devoted serious manpower into the region. I personally wouldn't consider sending military observers to unsuccessfully help a European power retain a colony as "saving France."

Of course, after each time our troops come back and then we make Hollywood movies showing how we saved the world again and again.



* Trivia fact: Did you know at the start of the war the Polish army was stronger than the U.S. Army?
 

Hellfire

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Oh please dont give me that crap. The USA saved frances butt in world war 1 and 2. Without us, they wouldnt exist right now. World War 1 was a STALEMATE before the US entered it. Any history proffessor will tell you that. Why do you think we were part of the "Big Four"? That whole "Americans came at the end of da war" is just Europes way to try and save face. and you probably have no pride in america (i know im gonna get flamed for this) or do not like america and thats why you try to revision history with an anti-american twist.

and polands army more power than us in wwii? Weren't the polish riding off to war on horseback? Did poland have 14 million soldiers, anti-tank bazookas, an air force, and massive amounts of tanks?
 

Anakha1

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You just ignore whatever parts of people's arguments you want to, don't you? He already said at the BEGINNING of WWII the Polish army was stronger. And he gave strong evidence that the U.S. didn't do as much as you claim it did. But sure, just stick your fingers in your ears and believe whatever horseshit propaganda you want to.
 

Hellfire

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Anakha1 said:
You just ignore whatever parts of people's arguments you want to, don't you? He already said at the BEGINNING of WWII the Polish army was stronger. And he gave strong evidence that the U.S. didn't do as much as you claim it did. But sure, just stick your fingers in your ears and believe whatever horseshit propaganda you want to.

So without US help, Canada and Brittain (who was getting bombed to hell before the US entered the war) would have launched their OWN successful "D-Day" and liberate france? So the battle of the bulge would have been won without the 500,000 American troops who participated in that one battle? Japan would have been defeated without US help? (we pretty much fought the war in the pacific by ourselves, Russia didnt even declare war on Japan until 3 days after we nuked them)

Sorry, but your arguments just dont hold water.
 
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