Four Oakland cops killed by one man

[Module88]

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According to the coverage, it was an AK-47 modified for full auto. As a felon, he wasn't even allowed to own one, I believe.

According to one of the SWAT team members who was involved in the raid, he thought it was an SKS, but he wasn't sure.

I find it quite unlikely that they were using so-called Dragon Skin (SOV-2000) in the first place. Yet another thing he's probably unclear on is that 7.62 NATO <> AK-47 ammo.

Ditto to that.

 

[jmervyn]

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According to one of the SWAT team members who was involved in the raid, he thought it was an SKS, but he wasn't sure.

I know there are "Trick your SKS" niche sales, but I didn't recall seeing a banana magazine modification. One never knows, though.

EDIT - site mentioning the underpowered cartridge of the SKS/AK

 

[Dirty_Zulu]

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According to the coverage, it was an AK-47 modified for full auto. .

The CA legal ones are relatively easy to obtain. I know because I have 2 that fires 7.62 cartridges.

I think last year someone killed some people with an SKS around here. It's a cheap alternative to the AK.

A few years before that some hunter killed a bunch of hunters with an SKS in Wisconsin(?).

 

[WildBerry]

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Once again with clarity. Bring them back to life? That was not my point.

You chided me for caring about wrong things - the way you made your sentence seemed to me as if you were talking about lack of discretion and sensitivity in a grave matter.

My reply was meant to mean that now the conviction and punishment of the perpetrator is not of immediate concern, I would only care for any option that would undo what happened. Seeing no such measures in horizon, I think that what I care about on this topic is relatively without a consequence.

Still, if I heard from a somehow reliable source I would be shot to death in a line of work, I would at least want to be gunned down by someone who sounded more manly. Someone with a tougher name. Someone like Alice.

I'm trying to make a joke here on the bad guy's account. If there's immediate family here to whom it is too sore a spot still, I'm ready to apologise. I do not have any reason to believe thus so far, though.

 

[The Sandcat]

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Ok, let's get this cleared up: The guy was said to have had 2 weapons.What exactly were they? Wo got shot with what weapon? By this time the cops should have that figured out,and so should the press.I mean,those guns are sitting in some evidence room somewhere,if they are not at ballistics.For heaven's sake,the USA is not some banana republic,or is it?

 

[Dondrei]

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Reportedly. Given the tensions in Oakland between the population and the police, it wouldn't surprise me. Rumor has it later on someone else drove by the scene and yelled "they deserved it."

Nasty.

Probably broke the law, IF it was an AK-47 (unlikely). They are illegal in California.

I guess I should refine my question to where did he get it?

If there is a legal market for them (or whatever gun he was actually using) then I'm betting it ultimately derived from a legal retailer. Was it KA who originally posted that statistic, 90-something percent of illegal guns in the US originated in legal sales?

 

[Syxx]

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Hi,

http://cbs13.com/local/vigil.shooting.suspect.2.968035.html

Title of the newspaper article ... Vigil Held For Oakland Cop Killer Suspect

"I don't condone what he did, but it's bringing to light the frustrations between the community and the police," said Uhuru Movement member Kihad Deen. "This gives people a chance to speak their minds."

As mourners walked through the streets, they chanted, "OPD you can't hide, we charge you with genocide!" There were no officers patrolling the march route.

Mixon's cousin, Dolores Darnell, 26, addressed the small crowd, calling him "a true hero, a soldier."

"This is the real Lovelle," she said, holding a picture of a smiling Mixon with his wife. "We do apologize for what he did to the officers' families. But he's not a monster."

Un-bloody-believable. How can you call someone who murders 4 Police Officers ... a true hero, a soldier ? It's mind boggling.

Regards
Syxx

 

[The Sandcat]

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Those weapons can be bought legally in some states.Hell, some people own gatling guns that fire 5000 rpm!
I did some googling and according to what I found,the Oakland police are still refusing to say which type of weapons were used.Does it take a lawsuit under the freedom of information act to make them talk?
I also found a few reports of Oakland cops shooting innocent people.This seems to be very comon in the USA anyway. And they almost always get off scot free.
Just google it.

 

[Johnny]

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This seems to be very comon in the USA anyway. And they almost always get off scot free.

How about some examples to make it seem common.

Better not be one of those examples where police pulls a guy over on suspicion of stealing the car then the guy slugs the cop and starts running. Police shot him in the leg and the news pawn it off as "suspect shot for stealing his own car"

 

[The Sandcat]

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Just google this: 'cop shooting unarmed dead'. You will find a lot of revolting incidents, including a mother and her baby shot dead by a cop.

 

[Johnny]

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"Go google"? That's the best you got? You are so full of ****.

 

[Garbad_the_Weak]

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I googled it:

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2008/MI_cops_shoot_unarmed_20yearold_marijuana_0316.html
Cops shoot unarmed 20 year old man while executing a drug warrant, rookie cop mistook raising hands as an attack. Cop was suspended. But because he posted on pro drug websites that the cops had no clue about, drug community rants and raves and casts this as police shooting a political drug activist because he defies the man.

http://www.crowncitymedia.net/2009/01/transit-cop-shoots-unarmed-man-in-back.html
Cop shoots unarmed man, claims he meant to reach for taser. Cop suspended and charged with murder to appease the mob. Other cops say this was ridiculous, testify against him. Unable to prove criminal intent, the cop is fired and the victim wins 12 mil.

http://blackpoliticalthought.************/2008/08/sgt-joseph-chavalia-acquitted-in-drug.html
Cop found not guilty of killing woman and child. While executing a warrant on a drug dealer, Cop says he saw a shadowy figure duck in and out of a doorway at the end of the dark hallway at the same time he heard gunfire and returned fire. This was after two pit bulls had been released on the cops. But she was black, so this is obviously an example of racist pigs unfairly trying to murder oppressed minorities.

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That's all on page 1. Frankly, each of those incidents is somewhat understandable to me from the cop's perspective. In each instance, the cop overreacted or made a mistake, but in none of them can I find criminal intent. This is especially true when you consider the extreme risk to themselves and the public and the snap decisions they have to make in thousands of volatile situations every day.

If I had my way, cops would have far more benefit of the doubt legally and morally. I find it abhorrent that we put these men in a difficult, low paying, and risky job and then castigate them for innocent mistakes when they mess up 1 time in a 100. Yes, it sucks that your druggie son got shot. But criminal/civil liability and the end of his career? I think not, absent unusual circumstances such as intent to kill, recklessness, or so on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

 

[jmervyn]

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I'd chalk this view up to the corruption common in the 3rd world. America went through its reformation of police forces back in the early '70 time period, IIRC - I remember one of the case studies I worked on was of the Denver P.D.

While you'll have corruption as long as you'll have government, many nations' governments are inherently corrupt - and therefore people's frame of reference is that other nations' governments must be similar. America has extensive measures to ATTEMPT to prevent corruption, to the point that those seeking to be corrupt/corrupted must use alternate means.

Like hedge funds.

 

[Stoutwood]

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The Denver PD sucks. Don't even get me started on them.

 

[The Sandcat]

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I'd chalk this view up to the corruption common in the 3rd world.

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What has this to do with the topic?How does 3rd world corruption relate to cops being triggerhappy?

 

[Stoutwood]

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Oakland is the 3rd World.

 

[jmervyn]

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Oakland is the 3rd World.

Well, that, and the "America is nothing more than a U.N. member" point of view.

Of course, Sandcat may be no more living in Namibia than Donny is Australian, but the concept of government ruling the people and granting them freedoms rather than the other way around is nearly universal. And by default, the corruption and nepotism of the state is most visible in the police, unless the army <is> the police.

I'm not blasting the comfort level that many people have with that concept, rest assured. I remember how safe Northern Ireland felt, with the police wearing flak jackets & toting sub-machine guns, traffic checkpoints everywhere, and my wife's purse being inspected when entering commercial areas. Germany and Spain were far less invasive, despite the unusual sight of police meandering around casually pointing sub-machine guns at passer-by.

I sure didn't feel 'free'.

 

[The Sandcat]

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Namibia is not a banana republic ,not yet anyway.We have a proper constitution,which grants everyone his rights.
It has been called on of the best. Read it at WWW.orusovo.com/namcon .
The courts are independent,and the police respect the law in general.The army does not interfere in civilian matters.And I can't recall any incident where our cops shot dead an unarmed person .

 

[Johnny]

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Namibia is not a banana republic ,not yet anyway.We have a proper constitution,which grants everyone his rights.
It has been called on of the best. Read it at WWW.orusovo.com/namcon .
The courts are independent,and the police respect the law in general.The army does not interfere in civilian matters.And I can't recall any incident where our cops shot dead an unarmed person .

Yeah but then 10% of the population has HIV so I'm not surprised that police are careful with who's blood they spill.

 

[jmervyn]

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The courts are independent,and the police respect the law in general.The army does not interfere in civilian matters.And I can't recall any incident where our cops shot dead an unarmed person .

Like I said previously, I'm not throwing mud at Namibia, nor at other countries - but the fact remains that many rely on the police as the means of populace oppression rather than just crime control. The U.S., in contrast, was founded on the belief that the citizenry are the power holders, and the State is but a servant. Hence our claim, 'of the people, by the people, for the people'. That's why we (as Americans) theoretically don't have to put up with Janjaweed slave traders, Dictators-for-life, or food rationing.

I'm hardly saying that there isn't corruption in the U.S., for that matter - I can't address Stout's dislike of the Denver PD, but I've seen pretty despicable things associated with both Indianapolis and Philadelphia. But currently, there's one guy at work with a son in a NYPD extension, and one of my wife's cousins is a cop to the north of the city. The amount of politically correct bullcarp they put up with easily explains their penchant for alcoholism. They're barely allowed to pull the gun from its holster, much less fire it.