Fossil Confirmed to be of Oldest Land Creature Ever Discovered der

Anakha1

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Fossil Confirmed to be of Oldest Land Creature Ever Discovered

LONDON (Reuters) -- Scientists revealed that a fossilized millipede found in Britain is the remains of the oldest creature to have lived on land -- and named it after the bus driver who found it.

The tiny fossil was found on a harbor foreshore near Aberdeen, eastern Scotland, about three years ago and has since been studied by experts from the National Museums of Scotland and Yale University in the United States.

National Museums curator of invertebrate paleontology Lyall Anderson said it was not only the oldest fossilized millipede found anywhere -- at about 420 million years old -- but when scientists saw it under the microscope they could see it had holes allowing it to breath air, meaning it lived on land.

Aberdeen bus driver and fossil hunter Mike Newman, 36, told Reuters Monday he found the remains while he was out searching in the area and immediately thought: "Here we go."

"I knew this was quite well preserved, the legs were very clear, and although we had been able to infer before that they could have been able to breathe air, this was the first we were able to prove had," said Newman, who has a degree in geology.

"This was breathing air 420 million years ago."

He contacted National Museums of Scotland and an expert at Yale University, Heather Wilson, for them to study the fossil, which is about a half inch long and whose air holes cannot be seen with the naked eye.

The scientists, who reported their findings in the latest edition of the American Journal of Paleontology, have named the discovery after Newman -- Pneumodesmus newmani.

"They have named it after me, which is particularly exciting. This is one of the rarest creatures on earth. I was the first person to have seen it," he said.

Curator Anderson told Reuters: "When Mike told me about this, I was very excited because I believed it was the oldest example of this particular group, but when Heather Wilson got stuck in studying it, we realized just how important it would be."

He added: "If there was a millipede living on land at that time, then there must have been something for it to eat, there must have been plant life well developed at that time."

The piece has been donated to the National Museums of Scotland.
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420 Million years old... that's one old bug. I wish I could discover something like that.
 

Anakha1

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Perhaps I should have given this thread a point...

Here's one! With this kind of evidence turning up all the time, how the hell can people still believe that the earth is only 6000 years old????
 

Underseer

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[SARCASM ON]
Because all these "fossils" aren't really real. They were planted by Satan to make the weak-faithed believe in "devilution." Or perhaps the "fossils" were planted by God to test our faith.

Besides, smarty-pants, everyone knows that a Christian scientist proved that one of the dating methods is only accurate back to 6,000 years, therefore we can conclude that the universe didn't exist before 6,000 years ago.
[SARCASM OFF]

Ah well, they're still not as bad as the flat Earth folks. *shudder*
 

NaderN

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6,000 years lol

if they wanted to make it a little more believable, they should have said 6 million
 

llad12

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It is my understanding that the 6000 year date came from a bishop of the church (Bishop Usher ??) who added up all the who begat whos from the book of Genesis and determined that the world began on 4004 BC ... at 9:00 AM.

Don't ask me how he did it ... ;)
 

Geeno

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So you could go exactly 420million years into the past and probably live.

I wonder what the vegetation was 420 years ago... I bet I'd like it.
 

maccool

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Yup, good old Usher. He apparently counted back generations from Nebuchadnezzer to Adam and Eve. I'm not sure about the time, llad. Maybe God slept in that day (22 October) :D

But, wow! A land critter in the Silurian is totally neato. Although not hard to believe since the first tetrapod showed up in the Late Devonian, only ~45 Ma later.
 

Kaysaar

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Anakha1 said:
420 Million years old... that's one old bug. I wish I could discover something like that.
Well, anookahooie2, he have enough problems with your name as is, just imagine the spelling issues when they would latinize your name and having the whole world misspell it. :p
 

nnndave

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Anakha1 said:
Linky

420 Million years old... that's one old bug. I wish I could discover something like that.
Bah, what a n00b. I touched a rock yesterday that was 2 billion years old.

Did you know meteorites are the most valuable rocks on the planet? They can be worth up to 100 times more than diamonds of the same size!! Yet they never seem to have lots of security around meteorite galleries...
 

asdf

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because it's so much harder to find a buyer
lol

look honey, i got you a meteorite ring!
 

asdf

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friend of a friend got his first job mowing lawns after getting his bachelor of applied science (and was proud of it! haha)
 

cougar

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Here's one! With this kind of evidence turning up all the time, how the hell can people still believe that the earth is only 6000 years old????
more like 20,000 as i understand it.

And please.. science proves and disproves itself all the time.. almost nothing is concrete in science as stuff changes... it's no more viable than creation or any other theory people have out there. If you go by scientific research.. the earth would have been in the sun about 20 million years ago, making it a molten ball of goo, thus annihilating that little bug fossil.

Just because something is in the name of "science" doesn't make it entirely accurate.

and that's my answer.
 

maccool

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cougar said:
If you go by scientific research.. the earth would have been in the sun about 20 million years ago, making it a molten ball of goo, thus annihilating that little bug fossil.

Just because something is in the name of "science" doesn't make it entirely accurate.

and that's my answer.
While you're entitled to your beliefs, I think science is a heck of lot more reliable than some guy counting names in the bible and assigning arbitrary birthdates and lifespans to these people.

20 million years ago, the Earth was pretty much like it is today, except there were a few more giant mammals and a few less reptiles. Oh, and there only a couple Cetaceans.

But I'd like to hear more about this scientific research that makes you think the earth was in the sun 20 million years ago.
 

nnndave

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asdf said:
because it's so much harder to find a buyer
lol

look honey, i got you a meteorite ring!
how much *** would that kick to have a piece of mars or an asteriod belt chilling in your necalace?

that pwns all other jewelry.
 

cougar

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I've read articles written by scientists saying that the earth is moving farther away from the sun a certain amount distance over time. Well if you go back far enough, our orbit would draw us so close that we'd either be inside it, or we'd be like Mercury.. just a big ball of lava. I think they traced it back to roughly 20 million years ago this would be accurate. Well.. if that fossil is 420 million years old.. it must be one hell of a tough fossil.

I dont know, the point im trying to make is.. that science dissproves and proves itself over and over again... at one point scientists thought the world was flat, until a smarter one came around. Granted, technology is better today, but the world and the universe is such a complex thing... that i'd say it's a very very good possibility that science is wrong more often then we know. The same people who yell at religious people for blindly putting there faith into what they believe... are the same people who blindly put their faith into science. Kind of a double standard to me.

It's a problem that people will never agree on... for religious people (mainly christians cause i come from a christian background) it's, if science is right, then it means there wasn't a creator and thus no god. If creation is right... then a whole hell of a lot of stuff science has been talking about for a long time is wrong, and there is a creator, and there is a god. And that means that a lot of accountability comes to play.. and many people dont want to be accountable for their actions.
 

Necrochild313

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Well I wonder what Pokemon will come out when they put it in the super duper fossil machine.

Seriously, that is pretty interesting, and it's funny how a rock can cause so much contreversy. But on that point few things don't cause contreversy (as well seen in the replies).
 

maccool

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cougar said:
I've read articles written by scientists saying that the earth is moving farther away from the sun a certain amount distance over time. Well if you go back far enough, our orbit would draw us so close that we'd either be inside it, or we'd be like Mercury.. just a big ball of lava. I think they traced it back to roughly 20 million years ago this would be accurate. Well.. if that fossil is 420 million years old.. it must be one hell of a tough fossil.
I've never heard of this. There is a bit of wobble in the Earth's orbit, but it fluctuates, it is not in a constant dierction nor at a constant velocity.

Using religion as an excuse for not accepting science is a cop-out. I know many Geologists, Biologsts, Physicists, etc. who are Christian (even a couple fundamentalists). Being a scientist and being religious are not mutually exclusive. Science has never tried to prove or disprove the existance of a higher power, merely to understand how things in our universe work.

It's not like we sit around all day writing equations to prove religion is wrong or that penguins don't exist (props to anyone who gets the penguin reference).
 
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