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For Exile, Sacred Rondache or Vortex?

Discussion in 'Paladin' started by gophils, Jul 6, 2010.

  1. gophils

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    For Exile, Sacred Rondache or Vortex?

    Which one is best for the Exile runeword, and what are the differences?
     
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    Re: For Exile, Sacred Rondache or Vortex?

    Sacred Rondache
    Def: 138-164 (avg. 151)
    Req Lvl: 52
    Req Str: 109
    Block: 58%
    Damage: 35 to 58 (avg. 46.5)

    Vortez Shield:
    Def: 182-225 (avg. 194)
    Req Lvl: 66
    Req Str: 148
    Block: 49%
    Damage: 5 to 87 (avg. 46)

    so basically your getting tighter damage range (at the cost of lower top end), and better block on the SR, but higher def on Vortex (not a huge issue with exile). Personally, im going with SR because that's what dropped for me :D
     
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    Re: For Exile, Sacred Rondache or Vortex?

    Either one, as long as it's Ethereal; or better yet, e-bugged ;)


    -Kinky
     
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    Re: For Exile, Sacred Rondache or Vortex?

    How much more defense does exile show if both are perfect?
     
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    Re: For Exile, Sacred Rondache or Vortex?

    Sacred Rondache: 1328.
    Vortex Shield: 1818.
     
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    Re: For Exile, Sacred Rondache or Vortex?

    Vortex is most overrated shield in game due to pitiful chance to block (55%) so I say go with rondache. But of course, the best shield you could possibly hope to make exile in would be an etheral 45 all resist sacred targe, no question.
     
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    Re: For Exile, Sacred Rondache or Vortex?

    It's actually 49%.
    But an Exile build most likely maxes out Holy Shield, so Dexterity for max block would be in the 170s range--justifiable for a melee build.

    The difference in defense between an ethereal ST and an eV, coupled with Holy Shield and its Defiance synergy, both from the shield and from the skill tree, makes a huge difference for an Exile-based build.



    -Kinky


     
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    Re: For Exile, Sacred Rondache or Vortex?

    You're right, only 49% chance to block, which is horrible for an elite shield of any kind!!!


     
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    Re: For Exile, Sacred Rondache or Vortex?

    generally, go sacred rondache. better reqs, block and damage (tighter range too).

    use vortex only if you don't mind the lack of defense and loves seeing that higher max damage and defense..
     
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    Re: For Exile, Sacred Rondache or Vortex?

    exile is best survival shield in game dude.. even for hdins
     
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    Re: For Exile, Sacred Rondache or Vortex?

    Running the defense numbers on each shield alone assuming they are perfect e-bugged worn by a level 90 paladin with level 30 Holy Shield (any dex req below 152 is applied to vitality):

    Perfect Vortex Shield: 1818 defense 49% block
    Strength required 148
    Requires 152 dexterity to block 75%
    Uber Baal has a 66.5% chance to hit you
    Out of 100 attacks you get hit 16.625 times
    Extra life before and after level 10 Battle Orders 0 / 0

    Perfect Sacred Rondache: 1328 defense 58% block
    Strength required 109
    Requires 138 dexterity to block 75%
    Uber Baal has a 74.3% chance to hit you
    Out of 100 attacks you get hit 18.5 times
    Extra life before and after level 10 Battle Orders 42 / 68


    Perfect Sacred Targe: 1278 defense 60% block
    Strength required 86
    Requires 135 dexterity to block 75%
    Uber Baal has a 75.2% chance to hit you
    Out of 100 attacks you get hit 18.8 times
    Extra life before and after level 10 Battle Orders 51 / 82


    Honestly I can see an argument for any of these. While I appreciate the high defense from Vortex, unless I'm wearing Engima I would have to add strength to equip it. Coupled with the higher dexterity investment needed and diminishing returns of defense, IMO it's slighly over-rated for PVM.

    If you're going to forego some defense, I don't see any point is using a Rondache over a Targe either. The difference is miniscule, so use whichever you find.

    The higher the level of Battle Orders the bigger the life advantage with the Targe becomes. If you don't use Battle Orders then Vortex might be better. Of course, the higher your level of Holy Shield, the bigger advantage Vortex become.

    Either way, all 3 shields are good. In my experience I have found larger life pool and increased resists usually is more effective at high levels than adding more defense. However you slice it Exile is a wicked shield to have.
     
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    Re: For Exile, Sacred Rondache or Vortex?

    think that sums it up nicely :D


     
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    Re: For Exile, Sacred Rondache or Vortex?

    Frostadin, that is some impressive analyses. I have a similar question. I have two shields, both are 45 all resists. Which one is better for making a pally spirit?

    1. Superior Zakarum shield, 215 def. Pluses are the nice def, and it looks the same as upped HOZ. Minuses are higher str req, and lower blocking rate.

    2. Sacred targe, 147 def. The def is not as high, but it has higher blocking rate, and lower str req.

    Please help me decide. Thanks.
     
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    Re: For Exile, Sacred Rondache or Vortex?

    You won't be using Spirit shields to block but if yes you gonna use it for blocking.... Get the Sacred Targe.

    A few hundred points of def in hell ain't much of a difference anyway.
     
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    Re: For Exile, Sacred Rondache or Vortex?

    Running the defense numbers on each shield alone assuming they are worn by a level 75 paladin with level 20 Holy Shield (any dex req below 212 is applied to vitality):

    Superior Zakarum shield: 215 defense 52% block
    1160 defense w/Holy Shield
    Strength required 142
    Requires 212 dexterity to block 75%
    Uber Baal has a 111.0% chance to hit you
    Out of 100 attacks you get hit 27.75 times
    Extra life before and after level 10 Battle Orders 0 / 0

    Sacred Targe: 147 defense 60% block
    837 defense w/Holy Shield
    Strength required 86
    Requires 183 dexterity to block 75%
    Uber Baal has a 113.1% chance to hit you
    Out of 100 attacks you get hit 28.275 times
    Extra life before and after level 10 Battle Orders 87 / 140

    The higher defense shield saves you 1 hit out of every 100 attacks by Uber Baal. I personally would go with the higher blocking which yields an extra 87 life, but opinions vary.
     
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    Re: For Exile, Sacred Rondache or Vortex?

    Baal's attacks don't really matter though.... Most of the time he will be spamming his spells to keep you away so yeah more Hp is better.
     
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    Re: For Exile, Sacred Rondache or Vortex?

    Thanks, Frost and Blade. So the extra life saved from using a better blocking shield (Sacred Targe) isn't as big as I had thought.

    I will be using the shield on a Hammerdin. What do you mean that "I won't be using the spirit to block"
     
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    Re: For Exile, Sacred Rondache or Vortex?

    I'm guessing he means blocking for a Hammerdin isn't as important as blocking on a melee pally. If you spam a hammer field most monsters will die before they get the chance to hit you, so blocking isn't quite as important. I'm too impatient though and telestomp directly into the middle of the pack so max blocking is something I rely on.
     
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    Re: For Exile, Sacred Rondache or Vortex?

    You won't need to use an Exile on a Hammerdin.
    On a Hammerdin, a good defense is a strong offense so you'd be better off trying to roll a [email protected] 35FCR Spirit (and probably a lot cheaper too) to hit a 9-Frame cast rate.

    Those most redeeming elements of Exile, the high defense, Defiance, and the high ctc Life Tap, are all pretty useless on a Hammerdin.
    Because anything that can do any melee damage to a Hammerdin would have to get close enough to be ripped apart by Blessed Hammers, and your defense won't protect you from any magic attacks. And needless to say, Life Tap is just Life Tap.



    -Kinky
     
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    Re: For Exile, Sacred Rondache or Vortex?

    How many hdins use exile?

    For the post go sacred rondache. Best average damage smite for exile.


     

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