First Trapper build... help lots of questions.

[BatTheMan]

First Trapper build... help lots of questions.

20 FB
20 SW
20 CBS
20 LS
rest DS
17 SM (with + skills)

or

20 SW
20 CBS
20 LS
20 DS
20 SM (without + skills)

I wanna try JRichard's CBS build, but I'm not sure anyone tried both which one is better? With LS max synergie route you gain high damage LS and bigger range DS... With CBS route you gain higher CBS damage and FB for LI's. Is FB killing speed effective with about +10 trap skills ~2k FB dmg @ 7 frames or is a higher range DS better letting a better Shadow Master + Merce kill first enemy.
17 SM enough is? How effective is she at level 29+?
Another alternative to dealing with LI's is one point in BFury with a good one hand ITD weapon on switch with the ctc level 15 venom Treachery armor. ITD works on unique or champion ? or just normal enemies.

This is HCL and I got myself some decent equip so far.
Dual Tucs /on switch prebuff +6 shadow claws
Treachery (4 60ias to get 7frame FB if i decide to go that route)
Unique DemonHead (plan on getting shako or a nice circlet)
+3 trap glove or Frost Burn or LavaGout(if Bfury = true)
TGods (HC remember?)

comments suggestion FB or no?

 

[MadWereWolfBoy]

20 FB
20 SW
20 CBS
20 LS
rest DS
17 SM (with + skills)

or

20 SW
20 CBS
20 LS
20 DS
20 SM (without + skills)

I wanna try JRichard's CBS build, but I'm not sure anyone tried both which one is better? With LS max synergie route you gain high damage LS and bigger range DS... With CBS route you gain higher CBS damage and FB for LI's. Is FB killing speed effective with about +10 trap skills ~2k FB dmg @ 7 frames or is a higher range DS better letting a better Shadow Master + Merce kill first enemy.
17 SM enough is? How effective is she at level 29+?
Another alternative to dealing with LI's is one point in BFury with a good one hand ITD weapon on switch with the ctc level 15 venom Treachery armor. ITD works on unique or champion ? or just normal enemies.

This is HCL and I got myself some decent equip so far.
Dual Tucs /on switch prebuff +6 shadow claws
Treachery (4 60ias to get 7frame FB if i decide to go that route)
Unique DemonHead (plan on getting shako or a nice circlet)
+3 trap glove or Frost Burn or LavaGout(if Bfury = true)
TGods (HC remember?)

comments suggestion FB or no?

Judging by ur equipment, i guess that resistance would be a big problem for u no? since u're a trapper, getting dual tucs ain't that worth it... imho, i think trading those dual tucs for a good magical or rare +3 traps + good auto mods claws are better... as for the runeword armor.. its a good +2 sin skills armor just that, there's no other mod useful for a trapsin cept the +skills and perhaps the Cr... maybe getting vipermagi would be better for the +all resist, though at the cost of +1 skill pt. as for the andy's visage, yes try trading it for a shako... best unique headgear for trapassin esp. in hc where life really matters...

i also play HCL and i'm going the 2nd build with no FB... i currently rely on my might merc with a good insight pole arm to handle lightning immunes in hell pits... i've not tried the FB build but i guess it'll be quite hard to mass kill any LI in hell with it thus i went with maxed DS build in order to get the CE radius as large as possible to quikly bring groups of LI down with the help of my might merc and SM...

i would also like to add on a question: is it advisible to invest some points in claw block after maxing the traps? or should the rest of the point go to SM?

 

[BatTheMan]

go for weapon block since you can prebuff you're shadow master with on switch x2 +3 shadow discipline claws. I don't get hit too often by missile (cloak of shadow takes care of it) I always immmeditatly recast it after it wears off. I guess it's your choise if you feel your SM ain't pimped out enough than go for it. I can't remember what a level 32ish something SM is like, but it can't be bad.

I chose tucs with treachery for +2 skills and also 45%ias 9 frames trap laying speed is essentiel in my opinion the faster you're traps are setup the faster they die. Also with 15% ias more I get 7 frames FireBlast throwing. Also with tucs you get +4 all skills compared to +6 trap skills. that's 4 skill points saved into weapon block.

I'm at level 82 now and can't complain with my current LS damage(1-3k mf, 1-4k real gear) and DS radius. It takes care of LS, but not as fast as I would like it to. Merce aren't always smart so I don't want to rely on them to much. So I'll go ahead and put the rest in FB. It'll be maxed when I get to level 90.
18 shock web
20 charged bolt sentry
20 Lightning sentry
12 Death sentry
13 save skill point (I'll wait until I get 19 and pump FB)

 

[utaelr]

I personally go with a completely untwinked self made trapasin using max LS, DS, CBS, Web with +9 skills from items 1-5k LS damage which is just fine. I then put 1 point into each of the skills mind blast, shadow warrior, fire blast, wake of inferno, wake of fire, wep block, burst of speed and fade. I use the +9 skills i get from items and find the only thing i have that is lacking from massive skills is my Fire blast (which im going to start putting points into) and Shadow Warrior all the rest are at the point of dimenishing returns. Mind Blast any group of LI you find and bring non lite immune over to provide ammo and POOF easy LI guys.

 

[zapotek]

I havent posted much in these forums but everytime I have said something about trapsins it have been the same thing and will repeat myself again...
Why is it so popular to get such a high lvl shadow, everyone seems to do this?? I cant understand it. I know that the shadow will spawn with better equipment but it's just so unneccesary. Same thing with prebuffing your shadow. It isn't needed at all with just a handful of +skill items the shadow will work very well for you if you support her with mindblast and recast her which is actually good. By recasting your shadow often you can block of monsters of your choice and use her as a decoy while you do the real damage. And instead of having prebuff on switch you can use like a alibaba and a rhyme shield to switch to the seconds before monster dies.
I'm no guru or anything but I have an assassin on hcladder that works very well for me and she is capable of soloing very very well with just one point in shadow master. I would even dare to say that it is one of the strongest charachters I haev played over the years.
Started untweaked and my build is, max light. sentry/ max death sentry / 18 shock web / max fireblast / 14 in cahrge bolt now(lvl90) / one point in the shadow skills(not venom). I have 293% mf on me, 408% on switch and because of the strong synergies that I have since no points lost in shadow I'm still able to do good damage with mf gear setup, max fireblast is 2500 I think with only +10 from items.
It's just so much better to pump synergies for your traps and fireblast imho. Maybe this shadow pumping is because people dotn switch skills so fast? Which would make it ahrd I quess to haev a weak shadow. I suggest using for example. q,w,e,a,s,d,z,x,c for hotkeys which works very well and enables you to play very fast and utilize all your different skills.

As a sidenote: I'm sorry for perhaps appearing somewhat of a "know it all" with this post, perhaps came out abit "I'm so great" sounding, wasnt meant that way, sorry. Just want to share my experience whatever it may be worth.

 

[BatTheMan]

I havent posted much in these forums but everytime I have said something about trapsins it have been the same thing and will repeat myself again...
Why is it so popular to get such a high lvl shadow, everyone seems to do this?? I cant understand it. I know that the shadow will spawn with better equipment but it's just so unneccesary. Same thing with prebuffing your shadow. It isn't needed at all with just a handful of +skill items the shadow will work very well for you if you support her with mindblast and recast her which is actually good. By recasting your shadow often you can block of monsters of your choice and use her as a decoy while you do the real damage. And instead of having prebuff on switch you can use like a alibaba and a rhyme shield to switch to the seconds before monster dies.
I'm no guru or anything but I have an assassin on hcladder that works very well for me and she is capable of soloing very very well with just one point in shadow master. I would even dare to say that it is one of the strongest charachters I haev played over the years.
Started untweaked and my build is, max light. sentry/ max death sentry / 18 shock web / max fireblast / 14 in cahrge bolt now(lvl90) / one point in the shadow skills(not venom). I have 293% mf on me, 408% on switch and because of the strong synergies that I have since no points lost in shadow I'm still able to do good damage with mf gear setup, max fireblast is 2500 I think with only +10 from items.
It's just so much better to pump synergies for your traps and fireblast imho. Maybe this shadow pumping is because people dotn switch skills so fast? Which would make it ahrd I quess to haev a weak shadow. I suggest using for example. q,w,e,a,s,d,z,x,c for hotkeys which works very well and enables you to play very fast and utilize all your different skills.

As a sidenote: I'm sorry for perhaps appearing somewhat of a "know it all" with this post, perhaps came out abit "I'm so great" sounding, wasnt meant that way, sorry. Just want to share my experience whatever it may be worth.

I don't think you benefit from mf when you switch when the guys are dying. ithink you have to lay the trap with your mf gear. I too am level 90 HCL east 13th on the sin ladder :clap: . I pretty much own everything very fast with my non mf gear i have +15 all trap and +12 all shadow on switch.
20 FB
20 LS
20 CBS
18 SW
1 fade
1 sm
rest DS
I am really impressed with FB it kills everything LIii very quickly. All my synergie could be max if I hit level 97 which is good thing to know.

BTW which realm are you? So basically i am happy with the FB route.