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Fire Trapper... Wake of Fire... ...Worthy for PvP anymore?

Discussion in 'Assassin' started by WvX_leader, Feb 9, 2004.

  1. WvX_leader

    WvX_leader Banned

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    Fire Trapper... Wake of Fire... ...Worthy for PvP anymore?

    I notice no more talk on Wake of Fire. I remember in .09 that OWNED all the legit world. Is a fire trapper a viable build? I mean for melee - wake of fire would own because it stuns - and if you were good enough to catch teleporters in it - it will stun them up...

    Would a fire trapper be good - is there a .10 guide? [i looked and did not find] - and if so what would be the basics...

    sorry but this is a paladin at heart with a possible transfer to assassins.

    -b
     
  2. Las-Vegas

    Las-Vegas IncGamers Member

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    yes its still viable, only draw back is you're really easy to absorb and you dont do 10k dmg.

    its like a .09 trapper, where you chip at their life slowly till they die.

    with a WoF lock, they are unable to do anything. meaning you can catch tele chars and keep them in lock for as long as you have mana. you cant do that with LS.
     
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    I was thinking of locking them with WoF - then putting some major Wake of Inferno's out there as well - and then maybe physic hammer too if i need more stunning.

    Comments?
     
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    Las-Vegas IncGamers Member

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    ..just stick to WoF and mind blast..

    WoI is uesless in pvp and pvm and hammer has knockback, you get the best stun out of all the traps with WoF and MB.
     
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    Question: Why wouldnt you go with WoI?

    The synergies compliment each-other , and the non-syn damage is the about the same as the respected lightning sentry - and WoI has major min dmg too as LS doesnt.

    I think if i could integrate WoF for the stun and WoI for the dmg - it would be deadly.

    I figure... WoF will keep them in the same place - making WoI easy to target its opponent.

    More thoughts?
     
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    Las-Vegas IncGamers Member

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    I dont understand.

    if you make a WoF using sin, you have to max WoI. you're just never going to use it.

    the 'stream' of fire is really thin and it has no way of hitting moving targets (even if the fire is graphically hitting them) and WoF does about 234233233x more dmg over the same time because the dmg stacks over from the 5 traps.
     
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    well that post makes much more sense - vegas... any More people with opinions?

    still under question:

    -Is WoF still good enough in 1.10?
    -What else to max besides synergies and those listed below? [possible second form of attack?]
    -Quick question: is there a cool down on WoF?

    Here is what i have SO FAR for skills:

    20 Wake of Fire
    20 Wake of Inferno [syn]
    20 Fire Blast [syn]
    5 Burst of Speed
    5 Fade
    1 Mind Blast

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    I have most of the items in mind but is this worth my time?


    thanks -

    - b
     
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    I really need your comments guys... There has to be some good vet's who can answer me here.
     
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    leave bos and fade at 1! use Dtalon as backup skill.

    read my stickied guide and switch lightning traps for fire traps and adjust Weapon Block for 60% and get shaft+shako+verdungo.

    Thats a viable pvp build, though lightning traps are more effective for the dmg.

    C-Beat
     
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    Ok BOS and fade can be left at one. But that still leaves another Entire skill I can max.

    Options?

    Oh and Im looking for that guide you speak of C-Beat but I didnt see it when I went through it mahself.

    :::EDIT:::

    Items looking at:

    -Chamed Shako
    -Enigma Dusk
    -5/5 Fire faceted Wiz Spike
    -Thundergods [I think its better than my verdungos]
    -Um SS
    -Bul Kathos / SOJ [life / mana]
    -CTA on switch
    -Wraith brands [most godly duped rares evA]
    -Maras [probably]
    -10 Trap gcs
    -Life / Resists scs [x9]
    -Annhi

    Max resist in hell is there without Fade [Fade for conviction - cold mastery]

    Skills looking at:::

    20 Wake of Fire
    20 Wake of Inferno [syn]
    20 Fire Blast [syn]
    20 _________ ?????? [what else to max]
    [1-5]? Burst of Speed
    [1-5]? Fade
    1 Mind Blast

    I NEED YOUR COMMENTS
     
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    my guide is sticked at the top, take another look!

    Get Dtalon to use with your traps and 1 point in dflight. Leave fade+bos at 1....

    Facets dont work with traps, so i'd go c/c with 2 tucs. Switch one tuc for a jades to counter conviction and cold sorcs.
     
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    if i was to make a fire sin.. it would be a hybrid

    20 WOI
    20 WOF
    20 FB
    1 MB
    1 DF
    1 fade
    20 Claw mastery
    20 Claw Block

    strap on a chaos claw and fir lizards claw (put ETH rune in Fire lizards because you will have some AR problems to tackle becuase you will have trap skillers not shadow skillers.
    :)

    oh and FOH pallies are the weakest chars in the game... their whole "godly" setup can be beaten by 4 ort armor and TGODS... big whoop

    also... -enemy fire resist items (fire facet) doesnt work with traps... only the +% to fire dmg works... so a -3/+5% jewel is just as good as a 5/5 jewel only a lot cheaper.

    thnx
    stef
     
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    So the other skill to max would be Claw Block

    I was thinking of using two Bartucks

    There is one HUGE problem with that idea - RESISTS!!!

    20 from maras
    48 from boots [dupes]

    What i USED to be looking at was wiz spike and SS [both have good resists]

    I know Claw Block Should be used but I am not sure how i could get it in there without messing up my entire build.

    Bartucks + Jade Maybe? How expensive is a Jade Talon on USWest Non ladder anyways..?

    HELP!!!
     
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    errrrm no probelme at all with resists

    Kiaras Guardian
    Shafstop
    Verdungo Cord
    Trang gloves - or Draculs
    Shadow dancer boot
    Maras
    Fire lizard claw
    Chaos claw

    Boom done max resists in hell 45% DR... and thats not even thinking about 1 point in fade...

    im sorry i dont see your point...
    thnx
    stef
     
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    oh my...there isnt really any question what build you should do if you want wof. read my guide first though.

    20 wof
    20 woi
    20 fb
    24 Dtalon (with items)
    26 WB (with items)

    shako
    shaft (or leviatahtn)
    verdungo
    maras
    2*raven (or 1+ring with resists)
    ik gloves/rare with resists/draculs
    Shadow Dancers
    2*bartucs (or 1 bartucs+1jade if you lack resists)

    anni+trap charms+SD charms+res+life charms in inventory.

    Socket gear for enough ias, resists and so on...

    allright?

    There's no use to max claw mastery...what attack will you use witht that??!! you will lack dmg, speed and ar. DTalon is a great and very fast attack with lots of ar and decent dmg.

    C-Beat
     
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    btw, jades are very cheap and can, with a res jewel, have 65% res all if i remeber correctly...
     
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    I cant use your build because the Only boots I will use [wraith brands] are not L337 enough to kick good damage [if you know the mods you would use them too lol]. I was thinking

    -Jade Talon [x2]
    -Chamed Shako
    -Enigma Dusk
    -Thundergods [I think its better than my verdungos]
    -Bul Kathos / SOJ [life / mana]
    -CTA on switch
    -Wraith brands [most godly duped rares evA]
    -Maras [probably]
    -10 Trap gcs
    -Life / Resists scs [x9]
    -Annhi

    Skills:

    20 Wake of Fire
    20 Wake of Inferno [syn]
    20 Fire Blast [syn]
    20 Claw Block
    1 Burst of Speed
    1 Fade
    1 Mind Blast

    Is what I am looking at. Possible Problem = dr [would be 18...]
    BUT - My old Templar did Fine against melee with his 18% dr... So I dont think I should worry since Claw Block is So sexy and I will be teleporting anyways
    Also: what to socket Jades with [if it wasnt res jewel - what could it be?]
    ALSO: DOES WoF HAVE A COOL DOWN? PLEASE ANSWER!!!

    and btw yes Jades can get 50 and jewel will mak it 65 at most.
     
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    Woaaaa...

    Does anyone else see my x2 from the list come out as a link to ebay?!?

    WtF?

    ::EDIT::

    Damn that was weird but the x2 from jade talons was a link to an ebay results for x2 for like one minute... Weird...
     
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    um...your skill layout is that of a poor trapper! You will stand no chance versus any kind of pvp char, seriously! your wof dmg wont be high enough to kill oponents before they kill you...and you have no secondary attack which i would try to get.

    Get a pair of myrmiond greaves and use Dtalon. Considering your other gear you could easily afford a pair.

    Also, 2 jade talons is overkill imo.

    C-Beat
     
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    um..

    ill stress that this is for NON LADDER.. so the items you keep talking about are useless to him.

    with that equip you will have low res.
    1x jade wont help at all vs FoH or Cold Mastery, you need +150 just to negate Conviction.

    the Kicker idea works, but not well enough vs good duelers.

    2x jade is a waste because they are not good claws, theyre only for the res. you dont want to use one as a main claw, its for FoH and bliz sorcs only.. you're hindering your performance by using even 1 as a main claw.

    WoF does not have a 'cool down' but WoF only shoots 5 times per trap, whereas LS shoots 10 times per trap. WoF also shoots them faster, so you will be casting more.

    I have to go to the gym so ill type more when I get back in a few hours, sorry.
     

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