Finishing a godly PVP Zon + Poll

Which weapon mastery?

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nightaswz

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Finishing a godly PVP Zon + Poll

I am approximately 50% complete with my godly pvp bowazon =D
Here are a couple of questions which i would like answered from my favorite zon forum!

1) I recently gambled a 3os Daidem of Nirvana (27 dex) o_O As opposed to using a 3os 30 frw or 40+ Life helm, which would cost me a unreasonable amount of highrunes, i decided to socket it with 3x blue 40/15 ias jewels. For my stats, i was going to choose enough strength for gear, 100 vita, and rest into dex (that seems to be the public consensus. If im mistaken, please warn me before i utilize my 300+ points). However, after some thinking, should i stick with 100 vita or "convert" that 27 dex into life by putting 27 leftover stat points into vita. That would be 27 X 2 = 52 Life. So in other words it would be a 3os diadem with 52 life vs a 3os with 27 dex (for added damage). Help me decide! If you can, please post ur thinking.

2) Another question has been bugging me ever since i decided to create a zon. I hear people often debate over the catwalks + travs vs highlords +gores question. One argument supporting the highlords+gores is that there would be no need to max CS and thus the points would be better spent elsewhere. My question is... Elsewhere??? Where is that??

Here is what my skill points should look like at the end:
20 GA
20 CS
~12 Dodge (12 right?)
~12 Evade
~12 Avoid
~10 Multi (im actually doing pretty well even with lower level MS. If i put more, ill probably be burning my mana too fast anyways)
(86 points for the above)
1 Pierce
1 Penetration
1 Slow Missle
1 Decoy (needed? I believe valk is useless in pvp but would this skill be useful?)
+prereq and LB/Light Fury for pallies

This would take around ~95 skill points to complete. Im guessing right now but it should land around there. With additional +skills from questions (12), ill be in the low 80s to have complete this build. My zon is already lvl 90 so ill have extra skill points. Where should i place them?? (If you went Gores + highlords, where in the world did u put ur other points? Strafe is horrible in pvp =D)

3) There has recently been a debate between using LB or Lightning Fury for pallies, which as we all know, can be a pvp zon's worst enemy. I would like to make a separate poll later for this but for the meanwhile, can u guys tell me the advantages/disadvantages of each? Im actually leaning towards LB since the person who had suggested it is a very good pvp player (mcm i believe? dont remember)

Thanks a lot for reading my post and, to those who posted, it is much appreciated!
 

SlainByPain

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You would want 16 crit/dodge/evade/avoid with + skills.

Gores/highlords vs travs/catseye is based on what you think your zon needs. Its basically raw dmg + frw vs DOT + better critical.

LB: Use LB when the opponents have < 75 light res it usually won't work as well as LF on max res pallies. If you must use LB against these though, remember to have KB on your gloves.

LF: LF is effective against those with max light res. Even with max PDR, it will still kill faster than LB. It's always nice to have LF for those druids anyway.
 

nightaswz

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Multi works better =)
I dueled a couple of zons with my minion stacking druid and multi seems to hurt me a lot faster before i recast.
 

SlainByPain

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Godz Deathz said:
i find that strafe is invaluable for killing anyone with summons, especially windies
Strafe won't work on any decent druid. You would be dead before the strafe even ends.
 

nightaswz

Diabloii.Net Member
Well, since my poll is wrong, whats best for a helm: 3os 27 dex for added damage or 3os 81 life? Thanks!

Keep voting by pretending it says 81 and not 52! =)
 
Originally Posted by SlainByPain
Strafe won't work on any decent druid. You would be dead before the strafe even ends.
but the zon wont be dead when it begins
what you dont realize is that when hit by strafe, windies are put in hit recovery (kb), and also, the bear is dead so protection, unless the druid has 75 block, in which it is hopless for the zon even without windy summons

lets see here, lets say its a super fast windy with 163 fcr (10fpc)
zon is strafing, and lets say windy aa teles from 2 screens away

any zon that did their research has a 2fpa strafe
druid lands on zon
2 frames later, sage and grizzly are dead even before the grizzly can attack

leaving the zon 8 more frames to strafe until the windy can recast, or 4 arrows. at least one of those arrows hits, and kbs druid
lets say the druid has a typical 99 fhr (6 frames) it is then 11 frames til the druid can tele away, or even cast anything. it is easy to strafe strafe strafe the windy til he is dead

this is purely in an undisturbed 1v1 duel with no jumping and such. if the windy has the element of surprise, then yes i believe windy can win, otherwise in a no bm duel, the zon will win 90% of the time
 

SlainByPain

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Godz Deathz said:
but the zon wont be dead when it begins
what you dont realize is that when hit by strafe, windies are put in hit recovery (kb), and also, the bear is dead so protection, unless the druid has 75 block, in which it is hopless for the zon even without windy summons

lets see here, lets say its a super fast windy with 163 fcr (10fpc)
zon is strafing, and lets say windy aa teles from 2 screens away

any zon that did their research has a 2fpa strafe
druid lands on zon
2 frames later, sage and grizzly are dead even before the grizzly can attack

leaving the zon 8 more frames to strafe until the windy can recast, or 4 arrows. at least one of those arrows hits, and kbs druid
lets say the druid has a typical 99 fhr (6 frames) it is then 11 frames til the druid can tele away, or even cast anything. it is easy to strafe strafe strafe the windy til he is dead

this is purely in an undisturbed 1v1 duel with no jumping and such. if the windy has the element of surprise, then yes i believe windy can win, otherwise in a no bm duel, the zon will win 90% of the time
What kind of druid uses bear? Bears are the worst possible summon against a bowazon. A good druid will use wolves. You should also consider that the druid can block and has hurricane. 1 or 2 tornados are enough to kill a noshield zon.

Point is, if the druid can cast a tornado on top of you, your dead 99% of the time.

Alot of good druids have max block, they are still beatable.
 

Davie.

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Windy>zon, Bvc>zon, Ghostsin or kicker>zon, Light sorc >zon, list goes on, pvp zons are not godly.
 

nightaswz

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This is a draft of what my skill allocation should look like:

Bow and Crossbow:
1 Magic Arrow (prereq)
10 Multi Shot
1 Ice Arrow (prereq)
20 Guided Armor

Passive and Magic:
1 Inner Sight (prereq)
1 Slow Missle
1 Decoy (any good in pvp?)
16 Dodge (+4 skills from faith and +2 passive kb 20 ias gloves = lvl 20)
16 Evade
16 Avoid
20 Critical Strike
1 Pierce
1 Penetrate

Javelin and Spear:
1 Poison Javelin (prereq)
1 Lightning Bolt
1 Plague Javelin (prereq)
1 Lightning Fury

Ok, all together that is 109 skill points. Im only leveling until 90 so ill have 89 + 12 (quests) = 101 skill points. That means i have to take off 8 points. Where to start? Is it wise to get both LB and LF? Shall i take some off on Multi? I could not get decoy and save 1 point there as well. Or, i could keep my d/e/a at lvl 12 and have 4 points leftover to spare somewhere else?
Im in a dilemma =/

My gear will be as follows:

125/45 blue jewels in a 3os diadem 27 dex
PFort
3/2/14 Faith (or until i get a perfect one =D)
2 passive 20 ias kb crafted gloves
Nos Belt
Cats ammy
Travs
2x Ravens

Is more FRW needed?

Thanks for ur responses people! Keep it up
 
i might suggest using aldurs boots. it might seem wierd, but they have 40 frw, like 50 fire res, and 50 life. decent stats

oop double post FIXED--DACAR

1 point in valk i think is worth it, mostly vs other zons or nec bs


i might suggest using aldurs boots. it might seem wierd, but they have 40 frw, like 50 fire res, and 50 life. decent stats, and fire res helps against auradins, if just a little
 

SlainByPain

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SlainByPain said:
What kind of druid uses bear? Bears are the worst possible summon against a bowazon. A good druid will use wolves. You should also consider that the druid can block and has hurricane. 1 or 2 tornados are enough to kill a noshield zon.

Point is, if the druid can cast a tornado on top of you, your dead 99% of the time.

Alot of good druids have max block, they are still beatable.
Very wrong. Hardest on that list is a light sorc (with ss/whistans).
 
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