feedback b vs new smiters

[mntle]

feedback b vs new smiters

Well i finally got my new barb going and had the opportunity to duel one of the new smiters with what he claimed was 8-9k dmg range. I am a shield/axe barb, i have about 2k-4k dmg, a fairly tight range, good min, low high but i have 65% ds and 85% ow around 25k ar 20k def 50% dr. i am not the best representation of an elite barb but i usually do not have issues with smiters. these new guys do not leave much room for error. i was able to get him to about 1/6 life, then his lifetap wold go off and it seemed to near fill in 1 hit. i lost 3 of 3, but i feel with a good ranged weapon like botd ghost spear? and with the new runewords adding to its dmg the smiters will not be such an issue, i do think it will be near impossible without out-ranging them though. i have about 4k life (i know still low, im working on it) and i dropped in about 4 hits, i figure open wounds did a portion of this.
So, does anyone have any experiences with them yet, and what did u do to handle it? or is there any suggestions anyone has? Again, i am by far not the best representation of a godly dueler, but for the most part i do well, in pubs and private and the smiter i dueled really was not that great compaired to some, there was just much less margin for error I started this here and not in the pvp forum because i want to start a barb v smite only discussion and get some gear/tactics discussion going.

*mntl

 

[mcm]

Start using some new runewords yourself, and dual weild. Your damage output will triple. Also your life isn't the greatest, should be closer to 6k, preferably around 7k. I'm surprised you got them down in life at all with the specs you gave, maybe they had crap defensive gear too and little life.
Also get as much AR as you can if you think the smiters def is over 20k.

 

[mntle]

--mcm, thank you for suck a fast reply! I am using fortitude armor, i did not have any issues hitting him, the issue was having to get within his range to hit him and how fast he filled with tap, usually it is not such a rapid fill with the normal exile/draculas smiter but if i drop 1/4 his life in 1 ww pass and he gets all his back in 1hit and deals me 600-1k ish dmg (again ow plays into this). i could out duel him and all he has to do is hit me 1 time out of the 4 i hit him and i watch my life drop and his shoot right back up to near full. after ds i am doing 4kmin-8kmax dmg, not great but kills reletively quickly, i do not have mh so i cant say what he was using other than grief/widomaker. I do however feel that this is not as big of challenge as it originally seemed when looking at the items, i just think that assuming we are dueling a experienced pally, this will be more difficult than simply having high life and duel wielding, and i know skill/tactics plays into this, that is the part i am most interested in

 

[rikstaker]

Range + Knockback anyone?

lets face it,it would be immensely difficult to outlast them when they are dishing out that kinda uninturruptible itd damage.4-5 hits & its over.So we must prevent them from hitting us so often as it not only hurts it also heals them bigtime if LT triggers & yes outranging them is a good idea.

A range 5 weapon a botdgpa preferably,fort armor & maxed out dr with ber ber coa & verd & highlife,dualangelics & if possible knockback from somewhere.KB works at 50% chance against players,upon triggering it would knock him away therefore buying you some time & when he renters range,rinse & repeat & yes your damage is pretty high as well-~700 per hit after pvp penalty & max dr.

Your damage output is higher than a dualwield setup(botd+beast) until the 12th frame,details here.

We need to get to work,immidiately devising new startegies & counter tactics against other classes..wait we are already doing that..great. :xsmile5:

Razgriz

 

[mcm]

Well, life tap is generally considered BM, so I'm curious as to how iron maiden would affect a smiter when hitting a life tapped player.

Rift polearm on swap? If it negated much of the life tap life return, it might be worth while. I'll test later if nobody else does.

So, level 15 is 550% returned, which JUST about makes up for one way PVP penalty.. hmmm, maybe that would work. He deals say 1000 PVP dmg to you, receiving 500 back to life (life tap 50%), but then 550% of (1000 * 0.17) = 935 is removed from smiters life, or half of that if the smiter has 50% PDR, which basically means the life tap effect is reduced to a 33 HP heal, rather than 500! Hopefully that's correct...

 

[mntle]

Thanks for the info rikstaker/mcm, the charts where helpful. i dont think the 12th frame situation will come into play often, i tend to only short whirl smiters anyways so i will at most get 2 hits accross in 1 good whirl.
----mcm---i agree lifetap and really any curse for that matter is bm, i still nonethe less continue to duel lifetapping players, and will most likely continue too i usually find that people useing these tactics rely on them too heavily (example: smiter chasing when lifetap triggers, thinking he is now invinsible and just getting killed by whirling away), although good ones do not due this. But the rift idea is something i didnt consider, i do feel that if the lifetap can be nagated that this will make them very beatable, and the option you gave, if it is found to work, does look very doable, i am looking forward to feedback if it is tested.
-----What i do really like about these new runewords is, you can use a weapon with possibly lower dmg but better mods (ie ow/ds/cb etc) and gear can now make up for much of the dmg, this is making alot more possiblities seem reasonable beyond simply botd.

 

[luis19]

Add doom to your set up. You can beat a slow smiter.
They cry? Tell them to take off lifetap, or just get a lifetap wand then tap em.

 

[[exile]]

some smart smiters will use freeze and foh to stun you; that could be a problem even if you have doom.

it's what i plan to do with my future smiter. once i get a damned lo rune for grief.

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