Fanatacism with Dragon Talon

[Trae]

Fanatacism with Dragon Talon

I've been clicking through all the ias charts and googling etc and I just can't find info on Beast runeword with Dragon talon. Most are dead links, and the few that I can find don't have fanatacism numbers.

Beast has lvl 9 fanat, and 40% weapon ias. Would that alone be enough with 0 Burst of Speed to hit 7/3? I'm pretty sure it'll hit the 3 follow up with ease, but the initial is what i'm wondering about.

Thanks to anyone who can help

 

[OutOfInspiration]

First off, here's a part of the sticky about IAS tables by JRichard:

Dragon Talon Initial Kick EIAS Table:

EIAS Fpa
-30 18
-27 17
-23 16
-18 15
-13 14
-7 13
0 12
9 11
19 10
31 9
45 8
63 7

Since you want to reach the final break point, you'll need to acheive 63 EIAS.

Take note that IAS on gear and EIAS aren't the same.

EIAS is the sum of your weapon's base speed + Speed granted by skills (Burst or Fanaticism, or both of 'em) + the result of the conversion formula for gear IAS.

In all, you need to know 3 factors. IAS on gear, Base weapon speed and sum of skills.

In your case, you won't use BoS. So the third part is only based on Fanaticism. At level 9, the increase in speed is 29.

Now we need to convert the gear's IAS into EIAS using this formula.
EIAS = (120*IAS) / (120+IAS)

If you don't have any other sources of IAS beside the 40% on your weapon, the formula will look like :
EIAS = (120 * 40) / (120 + 40)
EIAS = 4 800 / 160
EIAS = 30

Add your skill speed (Fanaticism)
30 + 29 = 59

At this point, you can see that you are 4 points off to reach the final BP (EIAS of 63).

Now the last thing you need to add to the formula is substrac your base weapon speed.
59 - (weapon's base speed)

Don't forget that if you substrac a negative value, you'll have to add it.

So if your weapon have -10 base speed, the formula will be :
59 - (-10) =
59 + 10 = 69

So with a -10 weapon, you will reach the final BP. Which you won't if you are using a 0 or slower weapon. there is only 9 weapons that will allow you to make a beast out of it that gets -10 speed and at least 5 sockets. War Scepter / Divine Scepter / Cadeceus, Millitary Pick / Crowbill / Warpike, and the 2 handed : Great Axe / Gothic Axe / Champion Axe.

Some could suggest to build your Beast into a scepter with +3 Fanaticism to reach level 12 right off the weapon. I'm not sure this actualy works but even tho it would, be aware that all the 5os scepters have a base speed of -10 so you'll only gain in damages, as the last BP will already be reached.

Hope this helped you.

** EDIT **

Take note that if you were planing to use a weapon with 0 speed (like a berserker axe) you'd only need 10% IAS on your gear to reach the final BP.
(120 * 50) / (120 + 50) =
6 000 / 170 = 35,29411......

35 + 29 (Fanaticism) = 64

 

[PrkChopXpress]

Some could suggest to build your Beast into a scepter with +3 Fanaticism to reach level 12 right off the weapon. I'm not sure this actualy works but even tho it would, be aware that all the 5os scepters have a base speed of -10 so you'll only gain in damages, as the last BP will already be reached.

Although this particular character may not benefit from the extra ias, your other characters may be able to take better advantage of it and/or increase it's trade-value. I'm not sure if any of that matters to you, but it's worth keeping in mind while you make your decision.

 

[OutOfInspiration]

On a side note :

Here's a little table I just made to show the IAS needed with Beast weapons, to reach the final BP with DTalon. I guess this is what you were looking for.

It will be limited to weapons ranging from -10 to 20 base speed, as those are the only aviable with the Beast runeword. I also included 2 handed weapons that works, not because it's a wise decision to go 2 handed on a kicker but mostly because a 2 handed axe/hammers looks sweet on such build.

Also take not that even with a 20 base weapon speed (like a Beast Thunder Maul) will only requires 1 point into BoS to reach the last DTalon breakpoint.

The IAS required shows is what you need to add from other sources, NOT INCLUDING THE 40% FROM YOUR WEAPON ITSELF.


TO REACH THE FINAL BREAKPOINT WITH DRAGON TALON
For a -10 WSM (Weapon Speed Modifier) Weapon
( War Scepter / Divine Scepter / Cadeceus / Millitary Pick / Crowbill / War Spike / Great Axe / Gothic Axe and Champion Axe )
--> No further IAS required.

For a 0 WSM Weapon
( War Axe / Naga / Berserker Axe / Broad Axe / Beared Axe / Silver-Edged Axe )
--> Level 1 BoS OR 10% IAS on gear.

For a 10 WSM Weapon
( Double Axe / Twin Axe / Ettin Axe / Battle Axe / Tabar / Decapitator / Giant Axe / Ancient Axe / Glorious Axe / Maul / War Club / Ogre Maul )
--> Level 1 BoS OR 30% IAS on gear

For a 20 WSM Weapon
( Great Maul / Martel de Fer / Thunder Maul )
--> Level 1 BoS OR 60% IAS on gear

 

[stephan]

Note that for its cost beast is a very mediocre kicking weapon. 20% CB isn't very impressive and speed is generally not such a problem that you want to fix it with your weapon alone.

 

[RTB]

Some could suggest to build your Beast into a scepter with +3 Fanaticism to reach level 12 right off the weapon. I'm not sure this actualy works but even tho it would, be aware that all the 5os scepters have a base speed of -10 so you'll only gain in damages, as the last BP will already be reached.

That doesn't work.

 

[Trae]

Yes thank you, that's exactly what I needed to know. So I'll now have to go trade my beast zerk for a beast with -10 wsm. And ya, beast isn't usually that great, but for my build it is the best choice. Thanks a bunch for the help

 

[PrkChopXpress]

That doesn't work.

Now that I think about it, you right. A +3 Fanaticism staffmod is actually "+3 To Fanaticism (Paladin Only)", right? So I'm guessing that making a Beast in a +3 scepter would give a lvl12 aura, but only for a Pally?

 

[stephan]

Beast doesn't give '+9 to Fanatacism', but 'level 9 Fanatacism aura when equiped'.

 

[Trae]

Ya, any items that give "aura when equipped" cannot be increased by anything. On the other hand, items like chaos that give "+1 to WW" as a skill, those ones you can increase with + all skill items.

But the lvl 9 fanat from beast will always be lvl 9 no matter what. Too bad, it'd be crazy if you could raise it up with gear and charms. I'm having thoughts of a cold sorc with lvl 25 conviction. -230% from cold mastery and another -150% from conviction, LOL< try stacking that

 

[OutOfInspiration]

On a side note :

Also take not that even with a 20 base weapon speed (like a Beast Thunder Maul) will only requires 1 point into BoS to reach the last DTalon breakpoint.

For a 20 WSM Weapon
( Great Maul / Martel de Fer / Thunder Maul )
--> Level 1 BoS OR 60% IAS on gear

I'm very sorry to quote myself but I can't edit my post. I just spotted an error I made while calculating this thing yesterday and I if anyone will ever use that table, then it's better be accurate.

We shall read :
Also take not that BESIDE a 20 base weapon speed (like a Beast Thunder Maul) you will only requires 1 point into BoS to reach the last DTalon breakpoint without further IAS from your gear.

For a 20 WSM Weapon
( Great Maul / Martel de Fer / Thunder Maul )
--> Level 2 BoS OR Level 1 BoS + 10% IAS on gear OR 60% IAS on gear.

 

[Hulkcore]

Ya, any items that give "aura when equipped" cannot be increased by anything. On the other hand, items like chaos that give "+1 to WW" as a skill, those ones you can increase with + all skill items.

But the lvl 9 fanat from beast will always be lvl 9 no matter what. Too bad, it'd be crazy if you could raise it up with gear and charms. I'm having thoughts of a cold sorc with lvl 25 conviction. -230% from cold mastery and another -150% from conviction, LOL< try stacking that

Barb with 2x beast = lvl 18 fanat, but it is also fairly useless to have 2x beast on a barb.

 

[AcousticRebirth]

This is just slightly off topic since I won't be using a beast ... but I could not find a better thread than this one. I just wanna check if I'm doing this right.

for example .. if I had a Blackbog's sharp [-20] base weapon speed and +30% IAS .. and i was using Sig's Belt and Gloves .. which gives me +30% IAS

The calculation would be the following, correct?

(120 * 60 [30 from sig, 30 from blackbog's] ) / (120 +60)
= 7200 / 180
= 40

40 - (-20) [base weapon speed of blackbog's]
=60

I would have 8 fpa, right??

Now if I shael'ed the Blackbog's the calculations would be ...

[120 * (30 + 30 + 50)] / (120 + 110)
= 57.391...

minus the weapon speed ...

57.391 - (-20)
= 77.391

... so I'd have 7 fpa right? ... did I do all the math right? (and no poking fun at my gear xD)

 

[stephan]

Yes, that is right.

 

[AcousticRebirth]

thanks .. btw .. awesome guide

also i'm just wondering .. is there any particular reason they used 120 in the calculations?

 

[RedemptioN]

http://xepolite.technocow.nl/FAQ/index.php?p=IAS

For future reference.

 

[Mahric]

You can get level 15 Fanaticism by giving a Faith bow to an Act 1 Merc or level 12 Conviction from an Act 2 merc with an Infinity Polearm.

A Conviction Merc would be very useful to any tye of Sorceress ... I tried one wiht a trap assassin once and it was devestating. Even the lightning immunes dropped like flies.

Mahric