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Faith/Fort VS Wf/EDIAS in PVP

Discussion in 'Amazon' started by SlainByPain, May 20, 2005.

  1. SlainByPain

    SlainByPain IncGamers Member

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    Faith/Fort VS Wf/EDIAS in PVP

    Which is better?

    My belief is that WF/EdIas still beats Faith/Fort. The only reason Faith/Fort even compares is because of the 7 frame attack. But in order to reach it, you sacrifice too much for it to be worth it.
     
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    Jek IncGamers Member

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    Sacrifice too much? 44 IAS = Gloves + Jewel + Ammy (most of which you'd probably use anyway -- Bloodfist/rare, Jewel and Highlords for instance). :)
     
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    SlainByPain IncGamers Member

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    I was talking about a GMB, where you would need 90 ias to reach 7 frames.
     
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    aznbboi16 IncGamers Member

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    I think that's where the majority of bnet goes wrong. You must either use a 160/60 or have some kind of belt/glove combination that gives 30IAS.
    Hell some guy in a pubby laughed at me for using a perfect faith mat bow... :rolleyes:

    Faith Mat and fortitude imo is better than wf/ed/ias in all aspects except maximum damage (which is made up by a better min and 7fpa).
     
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    I'm pleased with my zon that uses faith GMB and fort and still has 7fpa
     
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    aznbboi16 IncGamers Member

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    Even using a GMB is better than wf/160/60 because heck, I could either use fort (300%ED) or stick with a 160/60 and free up some other gear. Similar damage in both setups and 7 fpa with GMB.

    Either combination of Faith/Fort imo is better than wf/160/60.
     
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    SlainByPain IncGamers Member

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    Well faith/fort gmb with 8 frames is definately NOT better then a 8 frame wf. I never thought about the mats though. The thing about mats is that the base damage is so low that the 300ed isnt as helpful as the 160 for the wf.
     
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    just make a mathmatical example which proves what is the best?? Easy...
     
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    It's more complicated then that. One may do more damage then the other but you also have to consider the loss of some important attributes.
     
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    wf doesnt really have all that many good attributes. imo faith/fort > wf/16060
    no doubt.
     
  11. SlainByPain

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    It's not that the wf itself has the mods, its that with wf/16060 you have more choices for the other item slots. Anyway, we will have to wait until ladder ends. I made this thread because alot of the top zons agree that wf/16060 will still be better than faith/fort.
     
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    Lazy_BerZerker Banned

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    when two amas duels the things that matter are:
    Avoid, aiming, damage and speed right?
    You can calculate all of these, were you could take f r / w speed out of the speed section, and then make a damage/second comparison with the damage and attack speed :).
     
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    Ok, I calculated the two bow's damage and speed comparisons. With faith/fort you lose 1k damage but fire at a 7 frame attack speed. With 160/60/wf you gain 1k damage but fire at a 8 frame attack speed. I guess its a matter of preference. In NL using cruel mats is a 2k damage diff instead of the 1k.
     
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    That's a high difference for only 1 frame... you haven't just calculated maximum right? What items / numbers did you use? :)
     
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    I acutually tested it with two different setups, it seems that with more dex theres a bigger difference. The min isnt that different anyway because alot of the damage comes from +max scs.
     
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    you made 2 chars with char editor? Then watch out for the LCS ;)
     
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    Mind posting the 2 setups and character stats?

    Here is a quick calculation I did with my NL zon using my ladder faith mat bow.

    1 (Base) + 1.35 (GA) + 3.00 (Fort) + 2.** (Fanat) + 2.00 (Dex) + .39 (jewel) = 10.62

    86 + 15 (War Travs) = 101 x 10.62 = 1072 Min dmg
    202 + 25 (WT) + 117 (Charms) = 344 x 10.62 = 3653 Max dmg

    1072-3653 Dmg
    2362 Avg dmg
    7fpa

    I made a mistake and should have an extra point or two in GA and I will have a little more dex, so I would have a bit more damage than calculated.

    Note that this is NOT a dexazon. She has 1.7k life without BO, 36%DR in bow switch and positive resist all in hell, also in bow switch and 40%FHR. This amazon does about 350-4k (~2175 avg) with WF/156ED/60IAS at 8 fpa.

    People say "what's the point if you die in one hit," but that's exactly the point. I don't die in one hit.

    If I used a GMB, I would do MORE damage than WF both min and max, AND shoot 7 fpa. Really, WF/ED/IAS has no advantage over Faith/Fort.
     
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    sup all.. instead of using wf/160/60 and faith/forti why not use Wf and Forti??
    u maybe dont have so much speed but u have alot dmg , and if u want some good speed easly use a "Mavina helm" with ias/ed jewel and " a highlord ammy".. then its enough, u will easly own :D
     
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    Well I'm too lazy to explain the two setups I used but the damage with the two bows were around 5800 with faith gmb and 6800 with WF. WF/Fortitude wont work well because you could only shoot at 9 frames.
     
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    My level 80 mf'er ama has only 450 life and she can be used effective until hell act5 ancients :D

    Well you say 5.8k and 6.8k? Let's just make it 6k 7 fps versus 7k 8 fps.
    7 fps = 25/7 = 3.6 attacks per second
    8 fps = 25/8 = 3.1 attack per second

    6000 * 3.6 = 21429 damage per second
    7000 * 3.1 = 21875 damage per second

    Not much of a difference when you're thinking it's 1k listed damage difference. :)
     

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