Every S/U from Baal/Pits/AT. Or, why doesn't Baal drop TC87's? de

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Every S/U from Baal/Pits/AT. Or, why doesn't Baal drop TC87's?

My MF’ing obsession, in numbers…

This post represents the conclusion of about 6-7 months of intermittent but persistent work. It started with last spring’s Baalathon. I entered with dreams of getting a bit of progress towards my grail (I sat at -7 or 8 going in, I’m at -3 now). Like many others, I had spent much of the last few years running Pits/AT/Pindle/WSK/Baal, etc with hopes of those last few elusive super-rarities.

My determination was flagging, and so I decided in that Baalathon to pick up every single gold or green item Baal dropped, just to see what patterns emerged. It re-energized me. All of a sudden, every drop was interesting. I muled a bunch more, so it slowed me down a tad, but it felt good. I reported the first thousand S/Us from Baal in an item-find thread (link). I decided to push it a bit farther. It fed my obsessive side rather nicely.

So here I am reporting 2500 consecutive S/U’s from Baal, and 1000 consecutive S/U’s from each of the Pits and AT. I found the results surprising.

The short version is that with TC 3-84, there is striking similarity between the 3 sources. With TC 87, though, Baal simply stinks. I found far more TC87’s from Pits and (especially) AT.

Here are the details:

TC3:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	1			Biggin's Bonnet
	2			Greyform
				Blinkbats Form
	1			Pelta Lunata
	1		2	The Hand of Broc
	1			Hotspur
				Lenymo
	2			The Gnasher
				Pluckeye
				Gull
	4		2	Felloak
			1	Knell Striker
				Bane Ash
	1			Rixot's Keen
			1	Torch of Iro
	1		2	Arctic Furs
			2	Death's Guard
	1			Death's Hand
	1			Hsaaru's Iron Fist
			1	Infernal Cranium
				Tancred's Hobnails
	1	1		Sander's Paragon
				Vidala's Ambush
Total of TC	17	1	11	
% of  total	0.68	0.1	1.1
TC6:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	3		1	Tarnhelm
	2			The Centurion
	2	1		Umbral Disk
	2	1	2	Axe of Fechmar
	3	4	1	Witherstring
	1	3		Leadcrow
	5			Stoutnail
	3		1	Dimoak's Hew
	5		2	The Dragon Chang
	3	2		Blood Crescent
	7	4	3	Arcanna's Head
	8	4	1	Cleglaw's Claw
Total of TC	44	19	11	
% of  total	1.76	1.9	1.1
TC9:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	5	1	3	Twitchthroe
	8	2		Bloodfist
	3	2	4	Gorefoot
	8	4	3	Snakecord
	4	2	3	Deathspade
	9	5	6	Ravenclaw
	14	1	3	The Diggler
	10	4	3	Crushflange
	6	5	4	Razortine
	2			Serpent Lord
	11	3	3	Skewer of Krintiz
	15	5	5	Angelic Sickle
	8	7	1	Arctic binding
	0			Cow King's Hide
	0			Cow King's Hoofs
	11	5	2	Sander's Riprap
	16	4	3	Sander's Taboo
Total of TC	130	50	43	
% of  total	5.2	5	4.3
TC12:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	8	1	1	Coif of Glory
	5	2	4	Darkglow
	3	1		Stormguild
	9	1	1	Swordback Hold
	7	2	3	Chance Guards
	8		4	Treads of Cthon
	5	2		Nightsmoke
	12	3	1	Goreshovel
	6	5	5	Rogue's Bow
	11	2	4	Steelgoad
	2			Spire of Lazarus
	 			Azurewrath (CS)
	17	3	6	Shadowfang
	10	7	1	Gleamscythe
	6			Maelstrom
	16	4	7	Angelic Mantle
	13	5	4	Berserker's Headgear
	13	5	7	Civerb's Ward
	17	2	6	Cleglaw's Pincers
	10	6	6	Hsaru's Iron Heel
	12	3	2	Hwanin's Blessing
Total of TC	190	54	62	
% of  total	7.6	5.4	6.2
TC15:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	10	3	7	Duskdeep
	14	5	3	Hawkmail
	14	3	7	Sparking Mail
	17	7	4	Steelclash
	9	5	4	Bladebone
	4	5	2	Ichorstring
	19	1	4	Bloodrise
	5	4	5	Soul Harvest
	3	2	1	Rusthandle
	8	4	6	Griswold's Edge
	25	7	10	Berserker's Hatchet
	23	10	4	Cathan's Mesh
	9	4	2	Civerb's Cudgel
	12	8	11	Isenhart's Horns
	16	12	13	Isenhart's Lightbrand
	26	10	11	Milabrega's Orb
Total of TC	214	90	94	
% of  total	8.56	9	9.4
TC18:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	20	4	11	Venomward
	12	3	4	The Chieftan
	9	4	5	Stormstrike
	9	6	3	The Jade Tan Do
	19	3	5	Bloodthief
	5	1	5	The Salamander
	8	3	6	Soulflay
	5	3	2	Gravenspine
	5	4	3	Cathan's Rule
	44	20	14	Isenhart's case
	7	1	6	Sander's Superstition
Total of TC	143	52	64	
% of  total	5.72	5.2	6.4
TC21:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	7	4	3	The Face of Horror
	7	2	4	Iceblink
	8	2	3	Wall of the Eyeless
	5	3	3	Magefist
	3	2	4	Goblin Toe
	6	1	1	Goldwrap
	11	11	3	Skull Splitter
	15	3	3	The Generals Tan Do Li Ga
	18	4	2	Bonesnap
	18	4	3	The Battlebranch
	3		2	Stormeye
	12	4	8	Hellplague
	15	5	2	Kinemil's Awl
	13	5	3	Lance of Yaggi
	5	4	4	Arctic Mits
	15	12	8	Berserker's Hauberk
	18	9	8	Cathan's Visage
	20	17	12	Cleglaw's Tooth
	11	2	3	Hsaru's Iron Stay
	10		7	Infernal Sign
	8	1		Iratha's Cord
	4	2	4	Iratha's Cuff
	15	4	3	Milabrega's Rod
	27	11	10	Tancred's Crowbill
	19	7	6	Vidala's Fetlock
Total of TC	293	119	109	
% of  total	11.72	11.9	10.9
TC24:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	7	3	2	Howltusk
	2	1	4	Wormskull
	10	2	3	Boneflesh
	5	1	2	Bverrit Keep
	19	3	1	Brainhew
	9	3	3	Wizendraw
	10	3	3	Hellcast
	6	2	4	Spectral Shard
	5	4	3	The Tannr Gorerod
	2			The Iron Jang Bong
	11	4	1	Blacktongue
	6	3	3	Arcanna's Deathwand
	2	2	3	Immortal King's Will
	9	3	8	Naj's Circlet
	14	5	6	Sigon's Guard
	22	2	5	Sigon's Visor
	18	5	6	Tancred's Skull
	17	10	8	Vidala's Barb
Total of TC	174	56	65	
% of  total	6.96	5.6	6.5
TC27:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	7	2		Frostburn
	6		1	Tearhaunch
	10	1	5	Bladebuckle
	7	6	1	Rakescar
	8	4		The Humongous
	6	9	2	Hellclap
	8	1	1	Ironstone
	7	5	4	Culwen's Point
	7	3	4	Ripsaw
	1	1	1	Umes Lament
	14	8	7	Arctic Horn
	22	8	11	Death's Touch
	4	3	3	Infernal Torch
	15	6	15	Sigon's Sabot
	19	6	11	Sigon's Gage
	19	6	12	Sigon's Wrap
Total of TC	160	69	78	
% of  total	6.4	6.9	7.8
TC30:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	6	3	2	Undead Crown
	8	2	6	Rockfleece
	11	3	2	The Ward
	8	1	2	Woestave
	8	2	2	Dark Clan Crusher
	3	1	1	Razorswitch
	5	4	2	Skystrike
	11	2	2	Bloodletter
	8	6	2	Iratha's Coil
	12	9	12	Isenhart's Parry
	6	6	1	Milabrega's Diadem
Total of TC	86	39	34	
% of  total	3.44	3.9	3.4
TC33:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	4	1	3	Rattlecage
	5	6	5	Venom Grip
	4	2	1	Coldkill
	4	1	3	Blastbark
	9	4	1	Riphook
	7	2	1	Doomslinger
	6	1	3	Spineripper
	7	1		Steeldriver
	3	1	3	Fleshrender
	9	4	3	The Meat Scraper
	2	4	1	Zakarum's Hand
	4	3	4	The Impaler
	4		3	The Patriarch
	1	1	1	Suicide branch
	4	1	3	Deathbit
	17	3	10	Sigon's Shelter
Total of TC	90	35	45	
% of  total	3.6	3.5	4.5
TC36:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	5	2	4	Peasant Crown
	1	2	1	Heavenly Garb
	3	1	4	Skin of the Vipermagi
	2		1	The Spirit Shroud
	3	1	3	String of Ears
	1	2	1	Visceratuant
	4	1		Infernostride
	6		1	Butcher's Pupil
	1	2	5	Warlord's Trust
	3	2		Kuku Shakaku
	3	1	2	Langer Briser
	6	1	3	Heart Carver
	3	1		Sureshrill Frost
	7	3	1	Pierre Tombale Couant
	6	2	1	The Grim Reaper
	5	2	3	Kelpie Snare
	1			Ribcracker
	3	2		Hexfire
	4	4	1	The Scalper
	3	1	2	Titan's Revenge
	11	5	6	Rite of Passage
				Cow King's Horns
	9	4	1	Arcanna's Flesh
Total of TC	90	39	40	
% of  total	3.6	3.9	4
TC39:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	1	1		Goldskin
	2	2		Skin of the Flayed One
	3	3	3	Mosers Blessed Circle
	3		1	Gravepalm
	4	1		Waterwalk
	3		1	Razortail
	3		1	Rockstopper
	8			Islestrike
	3	1	1	Spellsteel
	6	5		Endless Hail
	1	2	1	Moonfall
	5	2	1	Blackleach blade
		1		Chromatic Ire
	1	1	2	Blade of Ali Baba
	3	3	1	Ginther's Rift
	4	1	1	Crainte Vomir
	2			Cairn Shard
	8	1	1	Aldur's Rhythm
	6	4	4	Hwanin's Justice
	8	1	4	M'avina's tenet
	4	1	2	Magnus' Skin
	6	2	5	Tancred's Spine
	7		2	Whistan's Guard
Total of TC	91	32	31	
% of  total	3.64	3.2	3.1
TC42:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	5	2	1	Stealskull
	3	2		Iron Pelt
	1		2	Silks of the Victor
	1	1	1	Spirit Forge
			2	Stormchaser
	3			Lance Guard
	6	1	1	Stormrider
		1		Pus Spitter
	1			Athena's Wrath
	3			The Fetid Sprinkler
		2		Soulfeast Tine
	1			Warpspear
	3	1		Headstriker
	5	2	2	Bing Sz Wang
	1	1		Blackbog's Sharp
	6	1	4	Milabrega's Robe
Total of TC	39	14	13	
% of  total	3.9	1.4	1.3
TC45:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	2	1		Darksight Helm
	2	2		Crow caw
		1		Shaftstop
	1			Tiamat's Rebuke
	1			Ghoulhide
		2	2	Silkweave
		1	2	Gloom's trap
	3	1	2	Pompeii's Wrath
	3		1	Witchwild String
	1	2	1	Baezil's Vortex
		1		Bloodtree Stump
	2			Hand of Blessed Light
	7	1	2	Hone Sundan
	4		2	Plague Bearer
	4		2	Coldsteel Eye
	3	2	1	The Vile Husk
	1		2	Arm of King Leoric
	6	3	2	Hwanin's Refuge
	2	2	2	Natalya's Soul
	9	3	2	Sazabi's Mental Sheath
	7	2	1	Tal Rasha's Fine-Spun Cloth
	5	3	4	Trang-Oul's Claws
Total of TC	63	27	28	
% of  total	2.52	2.7	2.8
TC48:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	4	2	1	Blackhorn's Face
	4		5	Duriel's Shell
	1	1	2	Lidless Wall
	3	2	1	Guardian Naga
	5		4	Boneslayer Blade
	6	2		Cliffkiller
	4	1	1	Buriza-Do Kyanon
	5	2	2	Stormspike
	2	1		Earthshaker
	2	1	2	Spire of Honor
				Skull Collector
	5	1	3	Cloudcrack
	4	1	1	Lycander's Aim
	8	2	2	Aldur's Stony Gaze
	11	4	6	Haemosu's Adament
	11	7	3	Tal Rasha's Horadric Crest
Total of TC	75	27	33	
% of  total	3	2.7	3.3
TC51:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	1		1	Vampire gaze
	2	2	1	Valkyrie Wing
		1		Skullder's Ire
	2	1		Gerke's Sanctuary
	2	1		Lavagout
	1	1	1	War Traveller
	2	1	1	Snowclash
	3	1		The Minotaur
	4		1	Magewrath
	4	3		Husodal Evo
	8		1	The Atlantean
	3		1	Todesfaelle Flamme
				Blackhand Key
	3			Lycander's Flank
	5	2		Bartuc's Cutthroat
	1	1		The Occulus
	2	1		Herald of Zakarum
	1	3		Aldur's Advance
	3	1		M'avina's Icy Clutch
	5	1	1	Natalya's Totem
	4	2	2	Guillaume's Face
	2	2	1	Tal Rasha's Lidless Eye
				Trang-Oul's Wing
	3			Wilhelm's Pride
Total of TC	61	24	11	
% of  total	2.44	2.4	1.1
TC54:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	3	2	2	Guardian Angel
	4	1	1	Hellmouth
	2	1		Gorerider
	2	2	1	Thundergod's Vigor
	6	1	1	Razoredge
	7	2		Goldstrike Arch
	2	3	2	Demon Machine
	5			Nord's Tenderizer
	5		2	The Gavel of Pain
	1	1	3	Swordguard
	3			Bloodraven's Charge
	4			Arreat's Face
	1		1	Homunculus
	4	3	2	Immortal King's Detail
	3	5	1	Immortal King's Forge
	4	2	3	Immortal King's Pillar
Total of TC	56	23	19	
% of  total	2.24	2.3	1.9
TC57:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	3	1	1	Crown of Thieves
	5	1	2	Toothrow
	3	2		Radamant's Sphere
	6	1	1	Grim's Burning Dead
	4	2	1	Gimmershred
	7	2	2	Demon Limb
	2	1	1	Jalal's Mane
	9	3	2	Hwanin's Splendor
	10	7	1	Laying of Hands
Total of TC	49	20	11	
% of  total	1.96	2	1.1
TC60:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	3	4		Harlequin Crest
		1	3	Atma's Wail
	1	1	1	Que-Hegan's Wisdom
	4	3	1	Bonehew
	5	2	1	Arioc's Needle
	7	2	3	Wizardspike
Total of TC	20	13	9	
% of  total	0.8	1.3	0.9
TC63:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	4			Black Hades
		1	1	Blackoak Shield
	1	1		Dracul's grasp
	1	1		Arachnid Mesh
				Heaven's Light
	1		1	The Redeemer
	4	1	1	Djinn Slayer
	9			Bloodmoon
	3	2	1	Stoneraven
	3	1	2	Jade Talon
	1			Cerebus' Bite
	8	3	4	Dangoon's Teaching
	6	1	3	Trang-Oul Scales
Total of TC	41	11	13	
% of  total	1.64	1.1	1.3
TC66:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	2		1	Ormus' Robes
	2	1		Corpsemourn
	3	2	1	Sandstorm  Trek
	3	3	2	Ethereal Edge
	2		1	Thunderstroke
	2			Wolfhowl
	7	5		Griswold's Heart
	7	4	4	Dark Adherent
Total of TC	28	15	9	
% of  total	1.12	1.5	0.9
TC69:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	1	3		Steelshade
	1		2	Spike Thorn
	1			Souldrainer
	2	1		Nosferatu's  Coil
	5	3	1	Windhammer
	5	1		Eschuta's Temper
	17	6	3	Immortal King's Stone Crusher
Total of TC	32	14	6	
% of  total	1.28	1.4	0.6
TC72:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	2			Kira's Guardian
	4	1		The Gladiator's Bane
	1			Stormshield
	3	1		Marrowwalk
	2		2	Runemaster
	7		4	Demon's Arch
	5	1	1	Baranar's Star
	3	1	1	The Reaper's Toll
	4	1	1	Flamebellow
	1		1	Alma Negra
Total of TC	32	5	10	
% of  total	1.28	0.5	1
TC75:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	7	1		Verdugo's Hearty Cord
	6	3	2	Hellslayer
	8	4	2	Hellrack
	6	4	3	Viperfork
	5	2	3	Lightsabre
				Azurewrath
	1	2	1	Boneshade
	7	2	1	Shadowkiller
	6		1	Andariel's Visage
	3			Demonhorn's Edge
	4	2	1	Ondal's Wisdom
	7	1		Naj's Puzzler
	7	4	3	Natalya's Shadow
	3	2	2	Credendum
Total of TC	70	27	19	
% of  total	2.8	2.7	1.9
TC78:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	1			Arkaine's Valor
	1	1	1	Headhunter's Glory
				Horizon's Tornado
				Stormlash
	6	1		Doombringer
	3			Warshrike
	2	1		Eaglehorn
	3	1	1	Firelizard's Talons
				Spirit Keeper
	3	2	1	M'avina's Caster
	6	2	3	Naj's Light Plate
	5		1	Sazabi's Ghost Liberator
Total of TC	30	8	7	
% of  total	1.2	0.8	0.7
TC81:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
				Veil of Steel
				Nightwing's Veil
	2	1		Leviathan
	3	1		Medusa's Gaze
	5		2	Cranebeak
	1	1		Widowmaker
	8	2	2	Wraithflight
	4	1	2	Tomb Reaver
	4	2	2	Ondal's Almighty
	4	1		Lacerator
			1	Boneflame
	1	1	1	Halaberd's Reign
	6	3	1	M'avina's Embrace
Total of TC	38	13	11	
% of  total	1.52	1.3	1.1
TC84:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	2			Giant skull
	1			Steel Carapace
	1			Spirit Ward
	2	2		Messerschmidt's Reaver
	2		2	Gut Siphon
	1	2		Fleshripper
			1	Schaefer's Hammer
	2			Stone Crusher
	1			Frostwind
	1	1		Ravenlore
	2		1	Dragonscale
	3		3	Aldur's Deception
	8	3	2	Sazabi's Cobalt Redeemer
	2	1	4	Taebaeks's Glory
	3	1	2	Tal Rasha's Guardianship
	5	2	3	Trang-Oul's Girth
	5	1		Trang-Oul's Guise
Total of TC	41	13	18	
% of  total	1.64	1.3	1.8
TC87:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
			1	Griffon's Eye
			2	Crown of Ages
				Tyrael's Might
				Templar's Might
			1	Steelrend
		1	1	Shadowdancer
				Deathcleaver
			1	Executioner's Justice
			1	Windforce
		1		Ghostflame
		1	1	The Cranium Basher
		1		Earthshifter
				Astreon's Iron Ward
			2	Stormspire
	1			Steel Pillar
				Mang Song's Lesson
	1	2		The Grandfather
				Death's Web
			2	Gargoyle's Bite
				Death's Fathom
			1	Darkforce Spawn
	1	1	1	Bul-Kathos' Sacred Charge
				Bul-Kathos' Tribal Guardian
		1		Griswold's Honor
				Griswold's Redemption
			2	Griswold's Valor
		1		Immortal  King's Soul Cage
		1	3	M'avina's True Sight
	1	1		Natalya's Mark
Total of TC	4	11	19	
% of  total	0.16	1.1	1.9
Jewelry/Gheeds/Facets:
Code:
	Baal	Pits	Tunnels	Item
	1	4	3	Nokozan Relic
	1		1	The Eye of Etlich
	2		1	The Mahim-Oak Curio
	1			Saracen's Chance
			2	The Cat's Eye
	1	1		Crescent Moon
				Atma's Scarab
	2			The Rising  Sun
		1	1	Highlord's Wrath
	1			Mara's Kaleidoscope
	1			Metalgrid
			1	Seraph's Hymn
	5	5	2	Nagelring
	3	4	5	Manald  Heal
		2		The Stone of Jordan
		3	4	Dwarfstar
	8	4		Ravenfrost
				Bul-Katho's  Wedding band
	1	1		Carrion Wind
	2			Nature's Peace
			1	Wisp Projector
	3		2	Angelic Wings
	8	18	10	Angelic Halo
				Arcanna's Sign
	35	12	23	Cathan's Seal
	8	3	2	Cathan's Sigil
	3	1	2	Civerb'sIcon
	1	4	3	Iratha's Collar
	5	3	4	Tancred's Weird
	6	5	2	Vidala's Snare
				Telling of Beads
	1			Tal Rasha's Adjudication
				
	6	6	5	Gheed's Fortune
				
	2	1		Ranbow Facet (fire/die)
			1	Rainbow Facet (fire/level)
	1		1	Rainbow Facet (Cold/Die)
	1			Rainbow Facet (Cold/level)
		1		Rainbow Facet (Lite/Die)
	1	1		Rainbow Facet (Lite/level)
				Rainbow Facet (Poison/Die)
	1			Rainbow Facet (Poison/Level)
				
Total of TC	111	80	76	
% of  total	4.44	8	7.6


Yes, you read that right. Of all the sets and uniques that Baal dropped, 0.16% were TC87’s. Compare that with 1.1% of all from the Pits, and 1.9% from the tunnels.

I understand that a sample size of this number is limited, and that this could be just statistical variance and all due to the (in)famous RNG. However, I think this conforms to most peoples’ experience, that Baal is great for experience, far stingier than expected for items.

Here is a chart of the percentages from each treasure class for each of the sources:
Code:
Treasure Class	Baal 	Pits	Tunnels
3	0.68	0.1	1.1
6	1.76	1.9	1.1
9	5.2	5	4.3
12	7.6	5.4	6.2
15	8.56	9	9.4
18	5.72	5.2	6.4
21	11.72	11.9	10.9
24	6.96	5.6	6.5
27	6.4	6.9	7.8
30	3.44	3.9	3.4
33	3.6	3.5	4.5
36	3.6	3.9	4
39	3.64	3.2	3.1
42	3.9	1.4	1.3
45	2.52	2.7	2.8
48	3	2.7	3.3
51	2.44	2.4	1.1
54	2.24	2.3	1.9
57	1.96	2	1.1
60	0.8	1.3	0.9
63	1.64	1.1	1.3
66	1.12	1.5	0.9
69	1.28	1.4	0.6
72	1.28	0.5	1
75	2.8	2.7	1.9
78	1.2	0.8	0.7
81	1.52	1.3	1.1
84	1.64	1.3	1.8
87	0.16	1.1	1.9


You might be wondering what kind of MF numbers I had while doing this. I ran with many different builds, nearly always with somewhere between 250-325 MF. I’ve never seen the benefit (other than with Pindle) of going to higher MF – too much slowdown in killspeed.

For Baal, I’d rank them like this:
1. Blova (full tal’s) – best at p1/8/3
2. FO/Nova – best at all p1
3. CB/FO
4. Hammerdin (with Enigma)
5. Fishymancer
6. Trapper
7. Windy (didn’t use much, but I think would work well)


For Pits:
1. Poisonmancer (with Enigma, insight IG)
2. Hammerdin
3. Fishymancer
4. Trapsin
5. Strafe/MS zon

For Tunnels:
1. Dual Nova sorc (Full tals)
2. FN/FB
3. FN/FW (can you tell I like FN for tunnels?)
4. Pure blizz
5. FO/Nova
6. Blova

Other nice finds:
Jah rune (from Pits)
Vex rune (from minions)
Lots of sexy skillers
I picked up every yellow pair of boots, but still haven’t found the perfect one yet…

Haul pics:
Baal
Pits
AT haul (my favorite!)

Flavie Links:
Baal
Pits
AT
All 3 Combined

So that’s it. Not sure whether or not I’m going to keep up with this project. I am sure I’m not going to run pits or tunnels any time soon. I think I may see what the first few hundred Pindle S/U’s look like, just to see if I want to collect enough to add those stats to this… I think I may start running CS/Diablo, just because I never have before. Maybe with a Tomb-reaver/enigma zerker? We’ll see…

Thanks for reading.
 
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Are

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Re: Every S/U from Baal/Pits/AT. Or, why doesn't Baal drop TC87's?

The reason you find fewer TC87s from Baal than from Pindle and level 85 areas is because he has a lower Treasure Class than they do, with far lower chances for dropping from TC87.

Baal drops from Act 5 (H) Equip B, which has a 3/1566 chance for dropping a base item from TC87.

The others drop from Act 5 (H) Equip C, which has a 23/1565 + 3/1566 chance for dropping a base item from TC87. That's almost a 9 times better chance.

So, although Baal has a much higher chance for dropping unique or set, he drops the base items too rarely to be the best source for TC87 S/U's.

Edit: By the way, your picture links don't work for me :)
 

bcoe

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Re: Every S/U from Baal/Pits/AT. Or, why doesn't Baal drop TC87's?

I know why - its just so frustrating.

Picture links fixed...
 

omgwtfbbqpwned

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Re: Every S/U from Baal/Pits/AT. Or, why doesn't Baal drop TC87's?

^ What he said. I did a horseload of Baals a while back, and I was quite lucky that he dropped me TC87's (nearly 15+!), but more than half came from WSK itself.

Btw, I would love to see pics too. :(
 

Dunedain

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Re: Every S/U from Baal/Pits/AT. Or, why doesn't Baal drop TC87's?

Thats new information to me. Awesome post, especially on your data collection
 

Are

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Re: Every S/U from Baal/Pits/AT. Or, why doesn't Baal drop TC87's?

How many runs do you estimate having done at each target?
 

JoeBruce

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Re: Every S/U from Baal/Pits/AT. Or, why doesn't Baal drop TC87's?

^ What he said. I did a horseload of Baals a while back, and I was quite lucky that he dropped me TC87's (nearly 15+!), but more than half came from WSK itself.
+1 for this. I like running Baal because it's challenging, but I kill bosses in the worldstone because I figure it's a big increase in my chances for finding high end items. One notable example was the Templar's Might armor I got from a bat-type boss on worldstone 2.

In a relevant note, very nice data collection. Thanks for the efforts; it's interesting to see the numbers laid out, and I'm sure you're enjoying more than a few of those drops. (at least I hope so)



 

PandadudeSP

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Re: Every S/U from Baal/Pits/AT. Or, why doesn't Baal drop TC87's?

Guh these drops make me tempted to MF my life away instead of questing all the time :p gib Coa!
 

bcoe

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Re: Every S/U from Baal/Pits/AT. Or, why doesn't Baal drop TC87's?

Very rough estimate of ~2k Baal-runs, ~2k AT-runs, and 1500 Pit-runs. I counted out the first 100 runs of each, and averaged 1.3 S/U per Baal-kill, 0.5 per AT-run, and 0.7 per Pit-run. Very small sample size, though, and I varied player setting depending on whether I wanted experience for a particular character. Just by feel, I'd guess that I spend as much time running Baal as the other two combined.

Also, I think I came off a bit snarky in the first post - its not that I didn't enjoy running Baal. He's fun, challenging, and the experience gains are tough to beat. But from a MF perspective, don't expect too much....
 

Thomh

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Re: Every S/U from Baal/Pits/AT. Or, why doesn't Baal drop TC87's?

I love posts like this: Thanks bcoe:)

Now I am going to copy it all to my computer and digest it. Also thanks for the explanation of why Baal doesn`t drop TC87s that often, it was news to me.
 

Dronte

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Re: Every S/U from Baal/Pits/AT. Or, why doesn't Baal drop TC87's?

Those pictures are soo tempting...

Just a question (yea im a newb :D), what are S/U-s?
 

LODjunkie

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Re: Every S/U from Baal/Pits/AT. Or, why doesn't Baal drop TC87's?

Very Interesting... Indeed... Alto, I have to ask.. which -3 s/u's are you missin? you know, salt in the wounds, sorta speek ^^ lol I am jsut curiouse
 

bcoe

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Re: Every S/U from Baal/Pits/AT. Or, why doesn't Baal drop TC87's?

Bane ash, mang songs lesson, and Death's fathom. I want a fathom so bad I can taste it. I'll probably end up with a +15%....
 

kanonfutter

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Re: Every S/U from Baal/Pits/AT. Or, why doesn't Baal drop TC87's?

I think your findings goes much hand in hand with what Nightfish wrote in his Fishyzon guide: The items are in the WSK, not at Baal. So it is more a question in S/U per hour in WSK+Baal, WSK, AT or Pits.

Baal on his own is a looser, but he might swing the odds towards WSK instead of Pits / AT.
 

bcoe

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Re: Every S/U from Baal/Pits/AT. Or, why doesn't Baal drop TC87's?

I think your findings goes much hand in hand with what Nightfish wrote in his Fishyzon guide: The items are in the WSK, not at Baal. So it is more a question in S/U per hour in WSK+Baal, WSK, AT or Pits.

Baal on his own is a looser, but he might swing the odds towards WSK instead of Pits / AT.
I am sure this is true, I just didn't keep track of all the WSK/minion drops. This is the data I have - I am by no means suggesting anything definitive. I started keeping the Baal-only drops as an idea to go for an iLvl99 grail. I'm getting reasonably close...



 

sirpoopsalot

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Re: Every S/U from Baal/Pits/AT. Or, why doesn't Baal drop TC87's?

Excellent comparison. I've added it to the Magic Finding Guides section of the FAQ. :)

One request though... a flavie link (or three or four links) edited into the original post. Seeing it all together would make the overall results a little easier to comprehend. If you're feeling ambitious perhaps one flavie for each target, and an overall flavie for all 3 combined. But I'd be happy to only see the overall results.

another request: if you upload a flavie, please upload the corresponding .css file too - looks much nicer.
 

bcoe

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Re: Every S/U from Baal/Pits/AT. Or, why doesn't Baal drop TC87's?

Thanks to poops for adding the Flavie links.

Looking it over, in the last few months I found everything but the following:

Blinkbat's Form
Lenymo
Pluckeye
Gull
Bane Ash
Atma's Scarab
Rainbow (poison/die)
Arcanna's Sign
Tancreds Hobnails
Vidala's Ambush
Skull collector
Blackhand Key
Spirit Keeper
Death's Fathom
BK's Tribal Guardian
Telling of Beads
Griswold's Redemption
Trang-Oul's Wing
Veil of Steel
Nightwing's Veil
Templar's Might
Tyrael's Might
Death Cleaver
Horizon's Tornado
Stormlash
Heaven's Light
Astreon's Iron Ward
Mang Song's Lesson
Azurewrath (PB)
Death's Web

And of course the impossible ones (Azurewrath CS and the Cow king's set).

I also have some ridiculous numbers of some things. 22 full Berserker's Set, 31 Iratha's sets, 25 Sigon's sets, etc....
 
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