eth razor vs eth botd beserker axe?

Gosu-diablo

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eth razor vs eth botd beserker axe?

well, the title says it all...

which is better?

ethreal zoded razor axe or ethreal botd beserker axe?

thanx in advance
 

iceball_aarf

Diabloii.Net Member
K, this are the calcs for this time only, next time you will have to make them yourself:

BA= 47.5 avg dmg, eth= 50% more= 47.5*(1+50/100)=71.25
BoTD= +350-400%ed; min BoTD= (1+350/100)*71.25=320.625 avg dmg

Razor´s edge MAX avg dmg= 147.5;
Eth R.E.= 147.5*1.5= 221.25

those are raw dmg output, now lets add the % of Deadly strike at say, lvl 80, with both chars using a highlords(+.375 DS/ch lvl) and Gore rider´s (+15%DS)

Eth BoTD BA= 320.625 * (1+[80*.375 +15]/100)= 320.625 * 1.45= 464.9
Eth R.E. = 221.25 * (1.45 +50/100)= 221.25*1.95= 431.43

I don´t know if Deadly strike is capped at 95% or at 100%, but i chose the *safe* 95% way and as you can see the worse BoTD is better than the best R.E. when both are ethereal, of course that you can still prefer the R.E. for the -33% Target Defense (effective like 16.5% in PvP) and the 50% chance of open wounds... all in all the BoTD will have a better reselling value.
 

Shadoway

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Do not fully agree. The -% defence is really nice, at 33% pvm and something lower pvp, it is still very important. If it let you hit 5% more(just for example), it means 0.05x400 = 20 more damage. Also, the open wound is very nice at a high character level, especially with the reduced leech. The only significant advantage of the BotD is about its range.

I am not saying BotD is not good. Just want to point out the two weapons are about the same IMO. Exactly which one to use depends on your playing style.
 

iceball_aarf

Diabloii.Net Member
Yes Shadoway, but i have to say *My Bad* i missed the -25% of BoTD, that makes the difference in -target deffense of only 8%, also the BoTD gives that nice +30 all stats (depending on the build it is more like a +90vit, giving 30 and saving 30str/dext) that is why i still put it a little over the R.E., the open wounds is good, but with gore´s+ nice gloves you can up it on the BoTD (remember that it is usually only needed to activate it once) ... all in all it is the choice of the user which way to go, but i think that what i said stands true, that in the end BoTD has better reselling value (of course that it is also true that it is cheaper to get an Eth R.E. than an Eth BoTD)
 

nSin

Diabloii.Net Member
Whats the point of an ethereal razor?

I have this with most ethereal uniques because, eth = 50% ed right? Why not just use an ohm instead? Just as easy and finding a perfect razor non eth should be a lot easier too.
 

iceball_aarf

Diabloii.Net Member
Ohm = +50%ed;
Ethereal= +50% base dmg,

And Ohmed RE =| Eth RE,
Best RE= +225%; Best Ohmed RE= +225 +50= +275%
Dmg of a best Ohmed RE= (1+275/100) * 45.5 (avg dmg of Tomahawk)= 170.625 ...
170 =| 221.25

+50% base dmg= 45.5 * (1 +50/100)= 45.5*1.5=68.25
Best Eth RE= (1+225/100)*(68.25)= 221.25 ...

Eth *multiplies dmg by 1.5*; Ohm *adds .5 more dmg*...
 

nSin

Diabloii.Net Member
Oh I see, thank you, thats very usefull information to me, I've been wondering about that some time.
 

nSin

Diabloii.Net Member
one question though when ETH it seems to be even less damage??
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Because you said +50% base dmg

= 45.5 * (1 +50/100)= 45.5*1.5=68.25
Best Eth RE= (1+225/100)*(68.25)= 221.25 ...
But 2.26 * 68.25 = 154.81

so... whats the deal with that?

170.625 > 154.81 makes it seem an ohm is more usefull then ethereal would be
 

gzvernon

Diabloii.Net Member
basicly 50% more BASE DAMAGE is better than 50% more ED.,because when you add more base damage the Ed has more damage to multiply,think of it this way what you rather have a sword at 10-20 base damage with 250% ED or 15-30 with 200% ED

option 1: 10-20 *(250%) = 35-70 (ohm rune)

option 2: 15-30 *(200%) = 45-90 (etheral)

call me crazy but i would take the etheral (50% more base damage).

This is all hypothetical.
 

nSin

Diabloii.Net Member
I made a mistake in my earlier calculations I calculated what 226% ed was, instead of adding it.

ETH razors edge should be:

2.26 * 68.25 = 154.81
68.25 +154.81 = 223.06 damage

and OHM'd RE should be:

45.5 x 2.76 + 45.5 = 171

I get it now
 

iceball_aarf

Diabloii.Net Member
nsin:
225/100= 2.25; 2.25+1= 3.25 not 2.26 :p, that is where the mistake is :)

Remember your maths, / and * are calculated first, only case when that doesn´t happen is when you use (), so it isn´t 2.76 for ohmed, it is 3.75
3.25*68.25=221.8125 (the game does some round downs so it is more like 221.5)
3.75*45.5=170.625
 

KruxDeValor

Diabloii.Net Member
it seems, my original post wasnt posted because i lagged out or something. im glad to see we have some people that know about crunching numbers to decide best overall weapons. i myself am mathematically impaired so i ask you to please bare with me. how does a etheral heavens light zod/eth(Perf Ed), compare with a perf botd, or perf etheral d/c. factoring in everything from +stats on botd to deadly on D/c. if this post got really detailed and went weapon by weapon i feel its worth making a sticky. so that average joes like me can turn to this info. i hope to get some feed back, thank you.
 

theBlackKnight

Diabloii.Net Member
Id rather pay the zod so I can make my 222% ed razors edge indestructable than have to pay the 11 runes for the eth botd.
screenshot to come....

EDIT : I cannot seem to load my screenshot to my site at this time, ah well, ill try again later, or if someone can upload / crop it for me, i can email it as well..

click and scroll down to see razors edge
 

gzvernon

Diabloii.Net Member
theBlackKnight said:
Id rather pay the zod so I can make my 222% ed razors edge indestructable than have to pay the 11 runes for the eth botd.
screenshot to come....

EDIT : I cannot seem to load my screenshot to my site at this time, ah well, ill try again later, or if someone can upload / crop it for me, i can email it as well..

click and scroll down to see razors edge
First, why do you need 11 runes to make BotD it only needs 6.

Second, does that Razors edge have 950 max damage?????!!!! OMFG thats awesome!!!
 

theBlackKnight

Diabloii.Net Member
gzvernon said:
First, why do you need 11 runes to make BotD it only needs 6.

Second, does that Razors edge have 950 max damage?????!!!! OMFG thats awesome!!!

Ever try and buy a 15% superior 6 socket ethereal berserker axe?

Its 280 max 1 hand damage, throw in deadly strike, and we have the poor mans botd.

sorry about the small screeny, I ll try and make it bigger.
 

iceball_aarf

Diabloii.Net Member
Heaven's Light
Mighty Scepter

One-Hand Damage: (140-160) To (182-208) (161-184 Avg)*
Required Level: 61
Required Strength: 125
Required Dexterity: 65
Durability: 50
Base Weapon Speed: [0]
+250-300% Enhanced Damage (varies)
+50% Damage To Undead
-33% Target Defense
+20% Increased Attack Speed
33% Chance of Crushing Blow
+15-20 Life After Each Demon Kill (varies)
+2-3 To Paladin Skill Levels (varies)
+3 To Light Radius
Socketed (1-2) (varies)


Perf Eth= 1.5 * max dmg normal= 276avg dmg.
-58% target defense = -29% PvP target defense.
The rest test it yourself, common don´t be lazy ppl :p
 

Shadoway

Diabloii.Net Member
It is rather difficult to compare. The 33% CB is really nice. For a full health DC, CB = 100K+ damage. Also, the + skills depend on your build. +3 fanatism, +3 zeal is alot.
 
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