Enchant Sorc vs FC Bear

dsong

Diabloii.Net Member
Enchant Sorc vs FC Bear

preferably people who know from experience, but pure theory is fine too (please factor in charm choice)

what are the pros and cons of an enchant sorc vs a fc bear in melee dueling?
 

mepersoner

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They're relatively equal in most areas except fireclaw bears are a frame faster in their attack and it being unblockable.

Sorcs have the advantage of deshifting and still having some decent stuff going on.
 

MrGoth

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Werebears might have a faster attack, but a sorc can use the zeal off of a passion phase blade. Both would have nice deffense from a cold armor and werebear, and the damage of fire claws might be a bit higher, and as a werebear one would have higher hit points. Its a draw i guess.
 

Salo

Diabloii.Net Member
dsong said:
can enchant sorcs seriously melee duel? what if they don't use passion?
ever see the FHR table for a sorc?

egads!!

she would need a bladesbuckle, a shal'd shako, a bloodfist, just to be decent!

i think 70+ is just the beginning for what she needs. supposedly you can make her not go into fhr though with proper gear, telekinesis and mana shield, then, she would/could annhilate.
 

mepersoner

Diabloii.Net Member
MrGoth said:
Werebears might have a faster attack, but a sorc can use the zeal off of a passion phase blade. Both would have nice deffense from a cold armor and werebear, and the damage of fire claws might be a bit higher, and as a werebear one would have higher hit points. Its a draw i guess.
....not while shifted she can't.

The advantages of sorcs are they can deshift and teleport around with a bow or something. They can use energy shield with a decent level warmth to take up a good amount of damage.

Disadvantages are they have less life. They have less attack rating. When they deshift they die (bears turn into druids and can reshift).

Bears can have minions and have access to a wider variety of attacks as well as having an attack like armageddon going.

BTW Sorc FHR does not matter. When shifted, all classes have the same FHR and FBR.
 

Pent

Diabloii.Net Member
I didn't even think about a sorceress using beast runeword o_O

that would be very wierd seeing a sorc turn into a bear, not to mention teleporting around with widowmaker and guided arrow +enchant


wow, this so makes me want to do it, and just put all left over points from enchant and synergies and fire mastery, into energy shield, telekinesis, and a cold armor :eek: :drink:

ok now I am thirsty to make one

just imagine :D

max warmth, max energy shield and max telekinesis, is a load of serious unlimited health regen, not to mention using damage to mana items :eek:

omg the possibilities
 

Salo

Diabloii.Net Member
Pent said:
I didn't even think about a sorceress using beast runeword o_O

that would be very wierd seeing a sorc turn into a bear, not to mention teleporting around with widowmaker and guided arrow +enchant


wow, this so makes me want to do it, and just put all left over points from enchant and synergies and fire mastery, into energy shield, telekinesis, and a cold armor :eek: :drink:

ok now I am thirsty to make one

just imagine :D

max warmth, max energy shield and max telekinesis, is a load of serious unlimited health regen, not to mention using damage to mana items :eek:

omg the possibilities
ahh, much harder than you realize.
you dont get +% life, no spirits either.
you cant teleport when shifted.

yes it works, just remember you are slow as poop now compared to a non shifted sorc.
 

mepersoner

Diabloii.Net Member
yes it works, just remember you are slow as poop now compared to a non shifted sorc.
...I hope you don't mean attack speed, because you're quite a bit faster than a non-shifted sorc while attacking.
 

Salo

Diabloii.Net Member
mepersoner said:
...I hope you don't mean attack speed, because you're quite a bit faster than a non-shifted sorc while attacking.
well no i mean in moving around speed.

sorc's tele is always a great pvp tool.
 

rogier

Diabloii.Net Member
mepersoner said:
Yup, I agree.
I don't exactly know what the dmg of fireclaw bear is, but my sorc gets 16-19k dmg out, at an attack speed of 5 frames, while a bear gets 4 frames if I'm right.

I think that a fireclaw bear would beat the sorc tho, because:
1) the higher dmg will not make up for the way higher life of a druid bear
2)druids attack a frame faster
3)it's hard to gain good resists with a meleesorc(possible to slap 20life/11fireres x 9 on her tho :))

edit: and ene shield is fast down..1 to 2 fireclaws=empty shield

edit2: ar is never a problem for me. angelics gives me 20k ar nonshifted :p
 

dsong

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actually i was just debating which melee char to use for pvp...

fc bear or multi-elemental melee sorc.

was planning to use enchant + max lightning mastery + 1 pt in cold mast + 40x lit/life or lit/res SCs + famine/tiamat's rebuke or djinn slayer/ss for massive elemental dmg

rest of points go into chilling armor
 

TheKbob

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I know from my experience that my fireclaws bear owns Melee Sorcs. I usually hit them once and they fall. I haven't seen a PvP melee sorc on USeast to give any credit to...

~Kbob
 
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