enchant prebuff decision: eschutas or orb

[Schnorres]

enchant prebuff decision: eschutas or orb

+3 25%fire eschutas
or
+2 sorc +3enchant orb
(has also 1 frost armor and 3telepost mana +400light damge)

would this orb be better for prebuffing when it gets 1 or 2 socks, facetted with +5fire

 

[BandGeekWarrior]

I don't use enchant at all so I would probably choose eschutas. By the way, how much is eschutas worth?

 

[abtarkerpal]

+3 25%fire eschutas
or
+2 sorc +3enchant orb
(has also 1 frost armor and 3telepost mana +400light damge)

would this orb be better for prebuffing when it gets 1 or 2 socks, facetted with +5fire

Well the eschutas gives +3 to warmth, +3 to enchant, and +25% fire dmg. With the +3 warmth fire damage bonus figured in, (i think it's +9% dmg per lvl) it is 9%+9%+9%+25% dmg, right? So that is +52% fire dmg and +3 to enchant.
the other one is +2 warmth which is +18% fire dmg and + 5 to enchant. With 2 facets it's an extra 10% fire dmg, so it +28% fire dmg +5 to enchant.

so i'm guessing the eschutas works better because the +enchant is not as beneficial as +warmth damage-wise

now if the orb was +3 warmth +3 fire skills it would be better.
but i'm not 100% sure if that whole idea works out

 

[Miladys-Knight]

Warmth is a synergy for enchant so only hard points (spent skill points) actually work to increase the damage and this is, for this reason, capped at skill level 20. Fire mastery however DOES gain bonuses from plus skills so the best choice for cheap would be a 2 socket for leaf or a 4 socket for memory staff that adds +3 to enchant and +3 to firemastery. The best choice would be a +3 skills +25% fire eschutas with a perf fire facet and a lidless or a viscerataunt with a perf fire facet.

 

[abtarkerpal]

ah what was i thinkin, warmth is a synergy! :xtree:

 

[Schnorres]

about the enchant stuuf, read my other post in this forum, there is a "guide" for maxing enchant.

A +3fire +3enchant +3fire mastery 2*+5 facet is the best, thats for sure.
But my question is, if this orb above is better than my eschutas. I dont know how to calculate it correctly.

Btw found a magic orb yesterday: +2sorc skills +2enchant, wonder how to calculate it too.

 

[Liessa Wyrmbane]

Hard to say without knowing your other gear so I just use arbitrary numbers:
Let's assume level 42 Enchant and Fire Mastery and maxed Warmth and +20% to Fire Skills Damage (4 facets) without any orb.

Without any orb:
• lvl42 Enchant = 841
• lvl42 FM = +317%
• firedmg% bonus = +20%
• Enchant damage = 3675

Eschutas:
• lvl45 Enchant = 929
• lvl45 FM = +338%
• firedmg% bonus = +45%
• Enchant damage = 4487

Orb (1 facet)
• lvl47 Enchant = 988
• lvl44 FM = +331%
• firedmg% bonus = +25%
• Enchant damage = 4505

Orb (2 facets)
• lvl47 Enchant = 988
• lvl44 FM = +331%
• firedmg% bonus = +30%
• Enchant damage = 4554

The orb seems to be a bit better especially if it has two sockets.

 

[Dahmer]

hmmm, i think i can guess his other equip (if he uses +3 fire 2*+5 facet circlet) :

+3 20% +5% facet eschuta :
lvl48 enchant (1272 second duration)
5068 dmg
+443% ar

+2 sorc +3 enchant (1facet) :
lvl50 enchant (1320 second duration)
5070 dmg
+461% ar

+2 sorc +3 enchant (2facets) :
lvl50 enchant (1320 second duration)
5124 dmg
+461% ar

+2 sorc +2 enchant (2facets) :
lvl49 enchant (1296 second duration)
4984 dmg
+452% ar

so even if u get 1 socket in +2sorc/+3enchant its better than eschuta since u get ar/duration boost 2

as for the +2 enchant orb, i wouldnt use it actually, imo thats a bit of a waste of 2 +5 facets since u get better dmg with eschuta

equip used : +3 fire circlet(2 +5 facets), +3 fire amu, +3 enchant 15% ormus (+5 facet), lidless (+5 facet), mages, sojs, arach

 

[Schnorres]

thx, very good info from both. During baalruns I usually dont prebuff with full equip, since I only have 10-20sec time to BO and enchant mostly. So I think Ill keep eschutas, I will only swap to a magic 3fire/3enchant/3mastery +2sock orb (if I ever get one).

How does the vengeance attack from a kingslayer sorc influence these numbers? Will the gap between orb and eschutas be larger?

 

[rild]

Well the eschutas gives +3 to warmth, +3 to enchant, and +25% fire dmg. With the +3 warmth fire damage bonus figured in, (i think it's +9% dmg per lvl) it is 9%+9%+9%+25% dmg, right? So that is +52% fire dmg and +3 to enchant.
the other one is +2 warmth which is +18% fire dmg and + 5 to enchant. With 2 facets it's an extra 10% fire dmg, so it +28% fire dmg +5 to enchant.

so i'm guessing the eschutas works better because the +enchant is not as beneficial as +warmth damage-wise

now if the orb was +3 warmth +3 fire skills it would be better.
but i'm not 100% sure if that whole idea works out

+ skills are not affected by sinergy bonuses - don't calculate warmth +skills