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Enchant Experience .. plz help

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  1. 10thattempttoregister

    10thattempttoregister IncGamers Member

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    Enchant Experience .. plz help

    Had an interesting experience tday and was looking for some feedback.

    Was starting a new wind druid (atebeanburrito) today. Was hunting Bloodraven with a sorc .. both of us lvl 5, when a higher lvl sorc enters game. I think she was 34 but I am not sure. There were 6 people in game by this point doing different things. Sorc calls out "anyone want enchant?".

    A Barb says yes (he was in Marsh) and the sorc takes tp there enchant. I set tp to refill and repair before continuing with Blood Raven, and the sorc comes through .. enchants me and says "have fun" and leaves.

    I do not think much of it. Go to see Blood Raven. Run up to her and one hit kill her. I am still using the club you start with. No charms, no jewerly at all.

    Everything I hit just dies. I check my stats and I am doing 1050 to 1245 damage. How is this possible?

    Damn shame there was no tp to Andy up. I would have loved to have one hit Andy with a lvl 5 Druid.
     
  2. PhatTrumpet

    PhatTrumpet IncGamers Member

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    ... uhm, try reading the skill description/stats for Enchant sometime?
     
  3. EEJ

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    Nice attitude.
     
  4. 10thattempttoregister

    10thattempttoregister IncGamers Member

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    Level 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
    Mana Cost 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44
    Damage 8-10 10-13 11-16 13-19 15-21 16-24 18-27 20-29 23-34 27-39 31-44 35-49 39-54 43-59 46-64 50-69 56-76 62-83 68-90 74-97
    Duration (seconds) 144 168 192 216 240 264 288 312 336 360 384 408 432 456 480 504 528 552 576 600
    Attack Rating +% 20% 29% 38% 47% 56% 65% 74% 83% 92% 101% 110% 119% 128% 137% 146% 155% 164% 173% 182% 191%


    Enchant Receives Bonuses From
    Warmth: +9% Fire Damage Per Level

    Level 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
    Fire Damage Increase % 30 37 44 51 58 65 72 79 86 93 100 107 114 121 128 135 142 149 156 163

    Ok so help me with the math.

    lvl 20 Enchant is 74-97 fire damage
    lvl 20 Fire Mastery boosts is by 163%
    lvl 20 Warmth will boost another 180%

    74 to 97 + (74(163%) to 97(163%)) + (74(180%) to 97(180%))
    74 to 97 + (120.6 to 158.1) + (133.2 to 174.6)
    (74 + 120.6 + 133.2) to (97 + 158.1 + 174.6)
    327.8 to 430

    This does not compute for me. What am I doing wrong?

    Did the sorc have lvl 50 fire skills?
     
  5. Solwolf

    Solwolf Clan Officer - US East Hardcore

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    Remember, fire mastery modifies the synergy, too, giving a larger-than-listed bonus. I think a lvl 20/20 with full synergy Enchant gives a bonus of around 1K to a non-sorc, and over 3K to a sorc with fire mastery (fire mastery then increases fire damage again, hence the greater # for a fire mastery sorc)

    The dmg number gets more impressive as you increase Enchant/Fire Mastery.
     
  6. 10thattempttoregister

    10thattempttoregister IncGamers Member

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    Fire Mastery modifies the synergy as well?

    So the math is more like ..
    Enchant + Firemastery + (Warmth * Firemastery)

    74 to 97 + (74(163%)(180%) to 97(163%)(180%)) + (74(180%) to 97(180%))
    74 to 97 + (217 to 284.6) + (133.2 to 174.6)
    (74 + 217 + 133.2) to (97 + 284.6 + 174.6)

    424 to 555

    Still not enough. hmmmm.
     
  7. nebby

    nebby IncGamers Member

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    Well, she must have been a little higher than 34, since at that level she could have only just barely maxed enchant (lvl18, assume some saved skill pts) and couldn't really have had much into FM.

    At any rate, the way the Arreat Summit lists the damage is not correct (not sure if this info is from previous versions of .10 patch, or what), and as mentioned the synergy with warmth & FM addition also does not work as listed. Others (GrnEggs) could add more here, I've only just begun testing to see how this works.
     
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    10thattempttoregister IncGamers Member

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    Okay. This is bugging me. I think I will make a ghetto enchantress and try it out.
     
  9. Forbiddian

    Forbiddian IncGamers Member

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    I got up to +20 Fire Skills with maxed Enchant/Fire Mastery/Warmth

    She adds 3.2k or something like that.

    And it lasts for 25 minutes or something insane like that (I can use it to 1-hit kill almost anything up through Nightmare and I've had characters in Nightmare Baal runs before they were permed).



    EDIT:

    Forgot some math:

    97*2.63=255
    255*2.8=714

    That's a little better (you forgot that +160% does not mean *1.6, it means *2.6).

    And then Enchant (like almost all the skills) shift up at higher levels i.e. every 4 levels, they increase by an additional 2 per level (2 damage, then 4, then 6, then an upshift to 10, then 14, then 18, then 22, then another shift to 28, etc., so the higher levels actually do a lot of damage).

    If you were mistaken and she was level 45, it'd be quite easy to get a really high level enchant going.

    +1 skills armor
    +3 skills helm
    +3 skills amulet
    +6 Enchant/+3 Fire Mastery staff (2 socketed with +3 enchant would get you there)
    10x Fire Mastery Charms
    +1 skills gloves (Magefists)

    That's a level 20 Enchant, 18 Warmth, and 16 Fire Mastery.

    That'll get bumped to:

    40 Enchant
    20 Warmth
    37 Fire Mastery


    And if she really was 34, you'd still get

    +2 Helm
    +2 Amulet
    +1 Gloves
    +6 Enchant/3 Fire Mastery staff
    +1 Armor

    That's a level 17 Enchant, level 20 Warmth, and level 5 Fire Mastery.

    Which goes to:

    29 Enchant
    20 Warmth
    14 Fire Mastery

    ... I think she was higher than 34, but you wouldn't have to be.
     
  10. GrnEggsNHam

    GrnEggsNHam IncGamers Member

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    Well I see the problem here already, and somehow people think I am the enchant master lol :). Anyways the equation you used for the damage is wrong. Well with everything lvl 20 that means enchant, warmth, fire mastery the damage of enchant added to other players is 504 - 659. For a sorc if she enchants herself this 504 - 659 is then enhanced by fire mastery again! Thus produceing lots of damage and makeing the enchantress possible(the fact that the damage increase after lvl 20 is tremendous does help aswell :) ). Well looks like the information from the Arreat Summit is wrong... Sigh here are the real numbers from the game code, lvl 20 enchant 68 - 89 damage. Here is the equation I have come up with just to make it simpler I will just do the max damage :). (89*180%) + 89 = 249.2 the game rounds up to 250, 250*1.63 = 407.5 game rounds to 408, 250 + 408 = 658 I am off by 1 damage but I still think that is the equation...
     
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    I made an enchant sorc just for this purpose (to rush my other little dudes fast).
    She is now about lvl 40+ and uses Kuko bow with +2 sorc skills +1 fire mastery orb and visceratuant on switch, +2 fire ammy, lore helm, spirit shroud, etc.
    She does about 1400-2000+ listed damage per hit (last time I checked).
    Fire mastery adds insane amounts of damage to enchant.
     
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    Does exploding arrow keep the enchant damage or something?
    Been sort of wondering why enchantresses seem to like kuko..
     
  13. GrnEggsNHam

    GrnEggsNHam IncGamers Member

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    Yes the fire damage is carried over to every monster hit by the explosion and it also reduces the need of AR.
     
  14. SecretA

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    My enchantress does 13k fire dmg with her Kuko o_O

    Her listed skill dmg is around 3.5k (can't remember her level)

    She uses

    +3 enchant Leaf Staff
    +3 fire ammy
    +2 sorc circlet
    +3 enchant ormus
    magefists
    anni charm
    6(7?) fire skill charms

    I could still add 2 sojs / arach mesh / 5 more charms ....... ouch :)
     
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    This is also true for the other masteries. If you have a sorc with a lot of lightning damage on normal attack, lightning mastery wil work on that damage too.

    The way enchant works, is that it adds elemental damage to your attack, and all fire damage will be upped by fire mastery (together with fire damage from equipment and stuff). And it certainly adds a lot of damage. I even remember somebody duelling with a axe throwing enchantress (was it rachelene?)...
     
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    Enchant damage is greatly increased if you use fire facets too. My sorc got enchanted by an enchantress (lvl ~48 enchant IIRC) with faceted eschuta/ormus/circlet/shield on EuHCL and hit for 12K-14K with her orb afterwards.

    I wish I had equipment to achieve that. Then I'd put the runeword that adds +1 to zeal in a phaseblade or scourge, swing her up to a 4 or 5 hit zeal and go nuts; melee sorc ahoy!
     
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    All this talk of melee chant sorcs.... try surviving in hc in hell mode with that set up ha
     
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    Nice two year bump. :thumbsup: :scratch:



     
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    rotfl @ dawn of the dead post.
     
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    and we've also had probably a dozen people from this and other forums quest Melee sorcs through hell.

    Cheers
    -Tai
     

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