emotion vs reason

[SaroDarksbane]

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they should be shot on the spot

Your emotions just conjured up summary executions. Congratulations, you just destroyed the entire basis for the western justice system.

I'll stick with my reasoning, thanks.

 

[Ash Housewares]

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lets see what kind of brain curdling philosophy thread this one is...

hmm... lots of short lines to make your post longer... hey thats my trick

but you did it too much and made everything disjointed so I stopped reading

maybe people's responses will be more interesting

nope, oh well

 

[Arkardo]

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with reason, u can explain and justify the unexplainable and unjustifiably.

There's a hole in your theory. Let me explain with an example. Let's assume Bush jr. started the war for oil (it's just an example; by no means I suggest he did, or that he didn't). The reason here is: "start a war to get oil". For this reason, there are lots of other reasons not to start the war. So if you say starting a war to get oil is justified, you're not mentioning all reasons (in this case, the reasons against the case), which is incomplete reasoning, and therefore false.

than there's the matter of WHO'S REASON ?? my reason? your reason? his reason? her reason? their reason? our reason? we each have our own reason. my reason is different than your reason.

Back to my example, reason needs ALL reasons to be true reason. That includes other people's reasons as well.

why do u feel its wrong ?

My reasoning: because she had the right to refuse sex, and that having sex with an unadult is forbidden since it scars them mentally. Both taken together, it is VERY wrong.

Reason > emotion most of the time, but, of course, in certain situations it's the emotions that should be listened to.

I agree that you should mind your spelling/grammar more. People will take you more seriously if you do. At the very least mind your capitalizing, it's just lazy if you don't! :coffee:

 

[Dondrei]

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there's no flaw in my emotion and/or reasoning that raping a lil girl is inhumane and deserves nothing less than death.

How do you use reason to arrive at that conclusion? Rape is wrong - that's an instinct. Or simply a learned behaviour. It's emotion, not reason.

 

[HegemonKhan]

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we are saying the same thing, sorry for the confusion, dondrei.

that gut-feeling i have is of course emotional.

i just added in reason-rationale for the people who prefer it over emotion.

this might sound strange, but i have no idea (deep technically anyways) why the rape of a lil girl is so wrong to me, but it feels wrong with every fiber of my being and that is all i or anyone needs to "know/understand".

the rape of a lil girl just IS wrong to me. who cares why.

it's kinda like this...

whether or not u know how u breath or not, u still breath.

whether or not i know why the rape of a lil girl is wrong or not, it still IS wrong.

this (not the breathing example ) is emotion/emotional

or to use a faith-science example:

whether we fall on our bottoms because of a scientific force (gravity) or whether God pushes us over on our bottoms doesn't matter, we fall down on our bottoms regardless.
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PFSS:

i saw the coolest thing on tv, these college "kids" for a film class, decided that they would do their class assignment issue on speeding (pretty much the same as tailgating). so what they did was they got together with a bunch of people and they drove abreast on some highway-freeway going at the speed limit.

well guess what happened..... nearly every single car behind them was slamming on their breaks so they wouldn't be crashing into the line of cars of the college students blocking every lane because they-everyone was going like 40 mphs over the speed limit.

so much for the speed law. without enforcement no one is obeying it. giving one speeder a ticket and letting the millions drive 40 mphs over the speed limit is not enforcement. the cops are diralect/awal in their job-duty of enforcing the laws of the road.

as to tailgait'ers, instead of shooting them, u know what really works?

be driving high up on a cliff and being tailgaited by some one, as soon as u come to a curve step on your breaks and have them launch over u and over the cliff j/k, call the cops and hope the cops have the jurisdiction-legality to arrest the tailgaiters...not sure if tailgaiting is considered dangerous driving or not.
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the western justice system is as UN-just as any justice system of a 3rd world country or dictatorship/tyranny.

so far, all justice systems of our entire history and currently have completely failed to be systems of justice. the western justice system is as barbaric and a farce as any place's justice system.

 

[SaroDarksbane]

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whether we fall on our bottoms because of a scientific force (gravity) or whether God pushes us over on our bottoms doesn't matter, we fall down on our bottoms regardless.

And now your "emotion over reason" has killed scientific progress.

You're on a roll!

the western justice system is as UN-just as any justice system of a 3rd world country or dictatorship/tyranny.

I'm going to love hearing your explanation for this statement.

 

[Amra]

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HegemonKhan, I'm sure someone's already tried and pointed it out to you, but would you be so awfully kind to use capitals and punctuation marks? I don't expect the Queen's English from anyone, but it would make your posts considerably more readable to begin with. It's appreciated.

Seconded. :thumbsup:

 

[mince pies]

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with reason u can justify or explain anything. even the holocaust

I doubt ANYBODY could justify that

 

[HegemonKhan]

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very terrifying, it's really not that hard to.

the holocaust was totally wrong, i'm not saying that it isn't

but frighteningly i can easily come up with reasons and justification and excusses for why it can be acceptible. reason/rational/logic terrifies me when it can so easily make the holocaust be perfectly acceptible.

 

[SaroDarksbane]

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very terrifying, it's really not that hard to.

the holocaust was totally wrong, i'm not saying that it isn't

but frighteningly i can easily come up with reasons and justification and excusses for why it can be acceptible. reason/rational/logic terrifies me when it can so easily make the holocaust be perfectly acceptible.

Yes, and I'm sure the irrational fear and hatred of Jews (emotions, mind you) were not at all responsible for those terrible events.

 

[HegemonKhan]

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hmm, that's a good point... emotions has a dark side....

though intolerance (hatred) is it's own uniqueness (has historical implications) from other emotions and along with ignorance as u say has indeed been the root-cause of all human conflict and genocide.

 

[Ariadne]

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You may feel you're right, but that may only be because your posts are, from my foreign point of view, impossible to decipher.
As for the dark side - it became rapidly less attractive when they stopped giving out free cookies.

 

[Dondrei]

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Yes, and I'm sure the irrational fear and hatred of Jews (emotions, mind you) were not at all responsible for those terrible events.

The prime motivator behind the reasoning of genocide was emotional, sure. If you think about it though, you can use that same logic to show that the prime motivator behind any ethical reasoning is emotional. Why is rape illegal? When you get right down to it, it's because people feel that it is wrong on an instinctive emotional level.

 

[stillman]

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"they should be shot on the spot. people who even feel it's alright to rape a lil girl don't deserve to breath on the same planet as me and the rest of humanity. i have no forgiveness or mercy for those who choose to do wrong. and there's not more wrong to me than raping a lil girl and also one who feels that it is alright to and not wrong."

Well, here you are contradicting yourself once again. You speak in another thread about how people who are 'different' (mentally disabled) are treated unfairly by police, doctors, etc. Yet here, you propose we shoot to kill a person who is different. The rapists (some of them) have mental defects that impair thier ability to distinguish right from wrong.

For example, if a child is struck on the frontal lobe after the age of one, the damage cannot reverse itself and that child may become psychopathic later in life. Let's say this person grows up and commits rape. Is it really that rapists fault that his drunk father smashed a bottle over his head when he was in diapers? It was his father who caused the root problem of damaging the rapist's brain during infancy. And you, HegemonKhan, are saying we should kill off these people who have such forms of brain damage.

The right thing to do is imprison them, studdy them, and try to prevent rape from happening. But of course, this would be punishing those who are 'different' in your previous veiw.

You really need to pick a side and stick with it.

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Secondly, I want to point out that we are MEN (most of us). Men put emotions on the back burner, and we get a lot of work done that way. Being able to supress emotions sometimes is a great help (I'm not saying always), and it is part of who we are as men. We should not try to feminize ourselves. The manly male is already shrinking in our population as it is. We need to promote and conserve true manliness.

Edit: while you're working on capitalization and such, could you please, please stop bringing up the mass butchering of jews in every single thread?