BobCox2
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Re: Earth hour 2009
Electric water heaters are not a good idea, Gas is much cheaper.
Earth hour 2009
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TheOgreMan
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Re: Earth hour 2009
edit: Yeah, tankless. http://www.thedailygreen.com/green-homes/blogs/diy-hacks/install-tankless-water-heater-460404
I don't own the apartment so I really don't have much say in it. The unit is 25+ years old, too, so I doubt it's as efficient as it was brand new. I've heard about some newfangled water heaters that are run by small computers that heat up the water as you use it, very efficiently, and take up as much space as a desktop computer. I'm going to look for one of those for when I build/buy a house (long way off, methinks).
edit: Yeah, tankless. http://www.thedailygreen.com/green-homes/blogs/diy-hacks/install-tankless-water-heater-460404
jmervyn
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Re: Earth hour 2009
REPENT!! FOR THE END OF THE WORLD IS AT HAND!!! :smug:
I didn't even know about it, until I watched the Glenn Beck episode I had TiVo'ed from the night before. I pretty much agreed with his celebration of it - he had the Krieg lights set up on the stage around him.
Why is it that enviro-Nazis always want us to live in caves and eat grass?
And who said religion is dead?
REPENT!! FOR THE END OF THE WORLD IS AT HAND!!! :smug:
I didn't even know about it, until I watched the Glenn Beck episode I had TiVo'ed from the night before. I pretty much agreed with his celebration of it - he had the Krieg lights set up on the stage around him.
Why is it that enviro-Nazis always want us to live in caves and eat grass?
I think they're great, but if they're what I remember from Europe I hope you don't plan to rely entirely on them. After the mini-reservoir empties, they don't heat 'on the fly'.
TheOgreMan
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Re: Earth hour 2009
From what I've read about them they don't even have a reservoir. They always heat on the fly (the one I would want, anyway). I have a friend who has one and he loves it.
From what I've read about them they don't even have a reservoir. They always heat on the fly (the one I would want, anyway). I have a friend who has one and he loves it.
The Sandcat
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Re: Earth hour 2009
Earth hour,AIDS day, TB day, Cancer day ,no smoking day, this day ,that day . WTF! They will have to make the year longer to fit in all those awareness days. Either you care about an issue, or you don't .So, to hell with all those days.
Earth hour,AIDS day, TB day, Cancer day ,no smoking day, this day ,that day . WTF! They will have to make the year longer to fit in all those awareness days. Either you care about an issue, or you don't .So, to hell with all those days.
lAmebAdger
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Re: Earth hour 2009
well, however annoyed you are, the next generation of people "needs" to be introduced to our plethora of issues and these events play a major role in it...
THEN you can decide whether you care or not
well, however annoyed you are, the next generation of people "needs" to be introduced to our plethora of issues and these events play a major role in it...
THEN you can decide whether you care or not
The Sandcat
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Re: Earth hour 2009
Get real, what are they learning in school? From their parents? Newspapers? Oh, I forgot ,today's kids cant/won't read anymore.
What then about "wash your hands after using the loo" day? Nothing beats a proper education.
Back to the topic: Swiching off all lights that are not used in office blocks after hours in every city would save so much electricity that several powerplants could be shut down!
Putting some of this Stimulus Money into public transport ,and people using smaller cars to get around town would also save a few million barrels of oil a year.
Get real, what are they learning in school? From their parents? Newspapers? Oh, I forgot ,today's kids cant/won't read anymore.
What then about "wash your hands after using the loo" day? Nothing beats a proper education.
Back to the topic: Swiching off all lights that are not used in office blocks after hours in every city would save so much electricity that several powerplants could be shut down!
Putting some of this Stimulus Money into public transport ,and people using smaller cars to get around town would also save a few million barrels of oil a year.
BobCox2
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Re: Earth hour 2009
People in Europe don't like gas because they don't have much #1 and #2 they put in gas lines after the rest of the infrastructure was built in a sloppy way by tacking them on top of the old stuff and ended up with a unsafe system.
I love tankless - you never run out of hot water.
People in Europe don't like gas because they don't have much #1 and #2 they put in gas lines after the rest of the infrastructure was built in a sloppy way by tacking them on top of the old stuff and ended up with a unsafe system.
jmervyn
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Re: Earth hour 2009
Mind you, this is something probably close to 15 years ago. The technology improvements might very well have overcome the problems with 'flash' heating the water as it passed through the device, or possibly the unit had a lot of hard-water buildup.
I suspect the 'reservoir' was actually the water currently <in> the system. So the 'on the fly' capability was sadly lacking; it was slightly better than lukewarm.
Mind you, this is something probably close to 15 years ago. The technology improvements might very well have overcome the problems with 'flash' heating the water as it passed through the device, or possibly the unit had a lot of hard-water buildup.
WildBerry
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Re: Earth hour 2009
You're the one being dogmatic here - probably not in small parts because the prophet Beck went that way.
When innocent people have been mugged because ofthis particular electric saving campaign, you call me back on that Nazi drive-by allusion (since you love the term which, as far as I can tell, means a snide comment without substance - and coincidentally describes your latest post as well), OK? Before that, you might want to be careful with all that lumping together and painting in broad strokes. All who are ideologically near to you don't make that much sense either.
Who's talking caves and grass? You're not doing slippery slope here, are you? "Well who knows what they want us to cut down on next?" The whole idea is that everyone could save for herself and see if the consumption meets what you are after. Is putting the light out from the toilet you just left an enviro-nazi idea too, or just plain economic sense?
You're the one being dogmatic here - probably not in small parts because the prophet Beck went that way.
When innocent people have been mugged because ofthis particular electric saving campaign, you call me back on that Nazi drive-by allusion (since you love the term which, as far as I can tell, means a snide comment without substance - and coincidentally describes your latest post as well), OK? Before that, you might want to be careful with all that lumping together and painting in broad strokes. All who are ideologically near to you don't make that much sense either.
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The Sandcat
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Re: Earth hour 2009
Quote : I suspect the 'reservoir' was actually the water currently <in> the system. So the 'on the fly' capability was sadly lacking; it was slightly better than lukewarm"
Since the heat capacity of water is fixed ( 4.18 Kva S deg C) ,no matter how your flowtrough heater is constructed,the amount of water it can heat with a given wattage rating will be the same.
At the usual 2 KW rating, it could heat 100 gram of water by about 40 deg per second. (say from 15 deg to 55 deg C. That is not enough for a shower.So you would need at least 5 KW ,which would draw about 50 Amps at 110 V (or whatever you use in the US, 220 V by 22 Amp approx. for the rest of the world).This would trip the mains in many older homes. In places with lots of sunshine a combined solar/ electric device is best.
Quote : I suspect the 'reservoir' was actually the water currently <in> the system. So the 'on the fly' capability was sadly lacking; it was slightly better than lukewarm"
Since the heat capacity of water is fixed ( 4.18 Kva S deg C) ,no matter how your flowtrough heater is constructed,the amount of water it can heat with a given wattage rating will be the same.
At the usual 2 KW rating, it could heat 100 gram of water by about 40 deg per second. (say from 15 deg to 55 deg C. That is not enough for a shower.So you would need at least 5 KW ,which would draw about 50 Amps at 110 V (or whatever you use in the US, 220 V by 22 Amp approx. for the rest of the world).This would trip the mains in many older homes. In places with lots of sunshine a combined solar/ electric device is best.
jmervyn
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Re: Earth hour 2009
A significant chunk of those who 'lead' the American environmental movement are 'granolacrat' leftists who believe that elimination of DDT is more important than a bunch of darkies' lives in Malaria-ridden environments.
Or that it's more important to make sure that a particular type of owl is able to live in its' original environment rather than the barns it immediately moves into when available, if that might mean expanding farmland.
Or, for that matter, that forests must remain untouched by man even if that generates massive forest fires that wipe out large swaths of terrain.
Not at all; I've always been "green", as a Scout and as a member of various groups like the Cousteau Society. I'm simply not a "watermelon".
A significant chunk of those who 'lead' the American environmental movement are 'granolacrat' leftists who believe that elimination of DDT is more important than a bunch of darkies' lives in Malaria-ridden environments.
Or that it's more important to make sure that a particular type of owl is able to live in its' original environment rather than the barns it immediately moves into when available, if that might mean expanding farmland.
Or, for that matter, that forests must remain untouched by man even if that generates massive forest fires that wipe out large swaths of terrain.
The Scouts? :alright:
Johnny
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WildBerry
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Re: Earth hour 2009
You keep marching that "banning DDT kills people" argument forward again. Try on "DDT kills people" for a size?
Forest fires are, generally speaking, a natural phenomenon, and the ecosphere goes with it. Chopping the trees down to make a monocultural pasture is not. Whether you value the species inside the area that went down with the axe is another argument (although as a Scout, I don't see why you wouldn't) but the greenies you're pondering on here are not being self-conflicting.
I particularly like this selective antropomorphism the article shows us. Guns don't kill people because they're inanimate objects. Books, on the other hand...
You keep marching that "banning DDT kills people" argument forward again. Try on "DDT kills people" for a size?
You're not seriously saying that the best way to get rid of forest fires is get rid of the forests?
Forest fires are, generally speaking, a natural phenomenon, and the ecosphere goes with it. Chopping the trees down to make a monocultural pasture is not. Whether you value the species inside the area that went down with the axe is another argument (although as a Scout, I don't see why you wouldn't) but the greenies you're pondering on here are not being self-conflicting.
I was going to invoke Baden-Powell but I see Johnny made my job for me and stuck to the news of modern age. The Scouts are not, seriously, a bad lot - my wife's a Girl Scout - but the point was guilt by association makes the whole world smell bad apples.
The Sandcat
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Re: Earth hour 2009
At 110 V : 1KW /110V = 9.1 A At 12 V (car battery) 1KW/12V = 83.3A
This is also the reason why high voltage lines are used ,since the higher the Volts,the less the Amps, and since the energy lost by resistance = Amps squared x Resistance, More Volts= less loss.:thumbup:
Approximately. Watts=Volts x Amps So : Amps=Watts / Volts
At 110 V : 1KW /110V = 9.1 A At 12 V (car battery) 1KW/12V = 83.3A
This is also the reason why high voltage lines are used ,since the higher the Volts,the less the Amps, and since the energy lost by resistance = Amps squared x Resistance, More Volts= less loss.:thumbup:
jmervyn
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Re: Earth hour 2009
I mean, there would be no possible alternative explanation that people who might have a predatory bent regarding innocent kids would deliberately seek out positions where they would have an opportunity to indulge in sexual misconduct. They <must> be simply trying to deny their lower nature by surrounding themselves with temptation. Amirite? :crazyeyes:
Your point?Wiki said:
Pity, because in the next sentence you prove that it's the <lack of perspective> regarding these books which does, indeed, kill.
I'm sure the thousands of dead in Africa and South America support your devout religious belief. By the way, you & I don't drink gasoline either, should we start? :coffee:
Well, that <IS> the way Indiana solves the problem. But seriously, haven't you read any of the analysis that the granolacrat loons caused untold damage to the forests by their insistence on not allowing controlled burns, clearing brush, etc.? Of course, now all the pink SoB's are pretending they never violently advocated such policy.
You're wrong here, though you probably don't know it. In Europe (or at least the forested areas I'm familiar with) there is a regular role for the Forestmeister. Contrarily in the U.S., starting before the 70's, the granolacrat-types insisted upon <no> forest intervention other than prevention of human impact, while at the same time fires were prevented or extinguished (remember Smokey?). Even the Native Americans managed forests, but these feckin' loons operated on the assumption of human = bad. They put thousands of loggers out of work, actually killed or maimed others, and are now reaping their just wages of massive conflagrations which obliterate hectares of land.
Because, of course, queers and perverts playing with and serving as role models for young children is right, just, and true - and anyone who doesn't agree ought be sent to the gas chambers (or at least forcibly silenced).
I mean, there would be no possible alternative explanation that people who might have a predatory bent regarding innocent kids would deliberately seek out positions where they would have an opportunity to indulge in sexual misconduct. They <must> be simply trying to deny their lower nature by surrounding themselves with temptation. Amirite? :crazyeyes:
Johnny
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Re: Earth hour 2009
Sexual orientation has nothing to do with weather a person would abuse children or not.
That the scouts discriminate people based on religious beliefs and sexual orientation yet they still receive countless millions of dollars worth of support from the government. Instead the scouts should be written off as a secular organization and have to fund itself.
Right because of all his misconducts the predatory paedophile will be caught by the question "are you a homosexual" as lying is just too devious an act for him to take part in and so that impregnable safety net has safeguarded our children since the scouts where founded.
Sexual orientation has nothing to do with weather a person would abuse children or not.
zodiac66
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Re: Earth hour 2009
I guess this thread would be a good one to pose my question.
What is the difference between global warming and climate change? I am just bitter because I am an asthmatic and I am pissed that the tree hugging hippies have decided that Albuterol is a detriment to the earth. Oh, its not the med, but the propellant.
I would really like to know why the buzz word for saving the earth has changed. Was it because global warming was a myth?
I did find it funny that Al Gore did not participate in this. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=93315
I guess this thread would be a good one to pose my question.
What is the difference between global warming and climate change? I am just bitter because I am an asthmatic and I am pissed that the tree hugging hippies have decided that Albuterol is a detriment to the earth. Oh, its not the med, but the propellant.
I would really like to know why the buzz word for saving the earth has changed. Was it because global warming was a myth?
I did find it funny that Al Gore did not participate in this. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=93315