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Dual Dream Werepaladin soloed the Ubers

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  1. sleepy floyd

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    Dual Dream Werepaladin soloed the Ubers

    I finally got around to making a werepaladin and have to say that it was a much stronger build than I thought it would be! I could easily solo hell without a merc with the build below. Since it seemed like a strong PvM build, I took it into Ubertrist to see how it would do. I was suprised that he also soloed UT twice without too much difficulty as well. If you haven't tried one yet, make it a consideration for your next pally build.

    Maxed HS, Blessed Aim, Res Lite
    Enough into conviction for 25 after bonuses
    1 point into Redemption
    Rest into Salvation

    Helm: Dream
    Armor: Enigma
    Weapon: EBOTD phase blade/Beast Z switch
    Shield: Dream/Spirit switch
    Ammy: Angelic
    Rings: Angelic, Angelic
    Belt: Trangs
    Gloves: Dracs
    Boots: Gores/Upped Goblin Toes for UT
    Charms: Mix of AR/life, AR/Dam/life, res, and fhr

    When shifted, I had over 5.2K life, around 7.4K LCS damage, 16K defense, max block, and 7.6K AR. Only needed to change out the boots to go into UT.

    All in all, it's a nice build! :thumbup:

    I want to recognize ZeroUnit's guide in the stickies that got me thinking about this.
     
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    Re: Dual Dream Werepaladin soloed the Ubers

    What's the Blessed Aim for?

    Nevermind, forgot about the passive bonus. How much is that by the way?
     
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    Re: Dual Dream Werepaladin soloed the Ubers

    Just out of curiosity, what do your resists look like? Even with perfect dual dreams and perfect resists anni+torch I don't think that's enough to max them out. and yes I know conviction cancels out meph's aura, just wondering how well you do against the casting skeletons and the immune-to-everything pitlords.
     
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    Re: Dual Dream Werepaladin soloed the Ubers

    um... You know the "E" in "eBotD" stands for ethereal, right? Why make BotD in a PB? PB can't be ethereal unless you up an eth rare Crystal Sword/Dimensional Blade. Just seems like a waste of a Zod. And no "cannot be frozen"? Looks like you have the wealth for a Raven Frost.

    Anyways, looks like fun! I've got a bunch of Beast builds that I want to make including one like this, just need the r00ns.
     
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    Re: Dual Dream Werepaladin soloed the Ubers

    5%/hard point.



     
  6. sleepy floyd

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    Re: Dual Dream Werepaladin soloed the Ubers

    Ghoulz - 5% per level (omgwtfbbqpwned beat me to it :yes:). This build needs all the AR it can get, even with the high level conviction aura.

    Norrit - Good point about the resists. I got lucky and have good res rolls on my Dreams, but I forgot to mention in the original post that I also have a few resist small charms to get maxed resists.

    Obdob - EBTOD Phase Blade gives 4 frame attack by itself, with great bonuses, and pretty good damage. It is considered one of the best, if not the best weapon for this build. Crystal Blades and Dimensional Blades are too slow to hit the 4 frame breakpoint. Trang's belt has the cannot be frozen modifier on it.

    If anyone is interested, I'd recommend checking out ZeroUnit's guide. He pretty much covered the build and gear aspects. I just tweaked it slightly for PvM/Ubers.
     
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    Re: Dual Dream Werepaladin soloed the Ubers

    With 60 ias on pb you only have an fpa of 6. You need at least 110% ias to hit an fpa of 4. The ias frames are same a were bear druid. So botd pb would be a bad idea. Go with x6 shael pb for best results out of your dual dream bear pally.


     
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    Re: Dual Dream Werepaladin soloed the Ubers

    Where did you get your information about shifter pally breakpoints?

    The German weapon speed calculator gives a 4 frame attack rate for a paladin in bear form using a phase blade with 60 extra IAS (from EBOTD), as does the build guide. Also, I know what a 4 and 6 frame attack rate looks like for a shifter, and I am definitely not attacking at 6 frames. When my pally bear attacks it looks like the same rate as my fury wolf when he uses his eTomby at 4 frames. Based on the calculator and my in game testing, I have concluded that the EBOTD PB gives a 4 frame attack and is one of the best weapons for this build.
     
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    Re: Dual Dream Werepaladin soloed the Ubers

    You wouldn't leech enough life back that way.


     
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    Re: Dual Dream Werepaladin soloed the Ubers

    Like the others said... don't know where you're getting those breakpoints. Take note that in bear/wolf form ias breakpoints between classes differ. FHR/FBR is the same though.

    *Sweet build. And at Mal-Vex-Ber-Ber-Jah-Jah-Jah-Zod it's cheap as chips :p


     
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    Re: Dual Dream Werepaladin soloed the Ubers

    hubb - Thanks! :thumbup:

    It's a very fun build, but it's true that it takes a few runes to build.
     
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    Re: Dual Dream Werepaladin soloed the Ubers

    I thought any bear character follows the same ias breakpoints as a standard bear druid attack. But tell me the breakpoints if you have them.


     
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    Re: Dual Dream Werepaladin soloed the Ubers

    ^Nope. The sin and pali is fastest in bear form followed by barb and ama if I have it right. A barb in wolf form is also faster than a druid, which is one of the reasons why a wolfbarb is so much fun. Druids are pretty bad at it considering it's their skills :/

    http://diablo3.ingame.de/tips/calcs/speedcalc_titanseal/speedcalc_english.php
     
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    Re: Dual Dream Werepaladin soloed the Ubers

    Ok so 60 ias in a pb maxes out ias for bear pally so you can decide on other sockets. Maybe x3 shaels and choose from bers/ums depending on taste.
     
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    Re: Dual Dream Werepaladin soloed the Ubers

    Yeah, I thought about putting 3 shaels and 3 bers in a phase for the crushing blow boost, but was worried that I wouldn't do enough damage to leach life back from. The damage from the EBOTD PB, with the 14%LL it has, plus the 10%LL from Dracs lets me leach enough life. I do have LT from Dracs, but it really only triggers on uniques/bosses. Maybe use 4 XXED/15 IAS jewels and 2 bers instead?
     
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    Re: Dual Dream Werepaladin soloed the Ubers

    personally if i were sticking hrs into a phase blade, i'd pick something better than ber. you can get CB from way more sources. why not go with jah? makes you semi AR independent.
     
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    Re: Dual Dream Werepaladin soloed the Ubers

    Because the dual dream conviction bear will have a lvl 25 conviction that lowers defense by 95%. So no need for jah. Plus it does not work on bosses either.


     
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    Re: Dual Dream Werepaladin soloed the Ubers

    Is a 35 damage weapon really enough to leech all your life back with tap agaisnt ubers?
     
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    Re: Dual Dream Werepaladin soloed the Ubers

    of course it doenst work on bosses, that's why i said "semi AR independent" i was referring to this.
    ps. it's -92%



     
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    Re: Dual Dream Werepaladin soloed the Ubers

    I have experience with playing a conviction zealer (dreams) + grief + conviction, which is a very strong class; similar to the thing you do and I wonder if a grief woulndt be better for you.
    I assume you dont use grief, because it is slower, but wouldnt it still be much better? That ~360 damage or something (I think of an imperfect grief, since you need 40ias on it).
     

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