DT with 17K damage? How?

det

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DT with 17K damage? How?

I read in some of the posts that some Dragon Talon users can achieve Kick damage with DT of 17 000 - 19 000 PER KICK.

Now that makes me envious :lol: How do you do it? Does the build involve only the l33t-est of items..and can it work in HC? I myself play a DT with 80% CB, which does work in hell...but of course my listed damage is only 500 per kick or so. (not using the worst of equipment..SoE, Strength runeword claw and Jade Talon, Duriels shell, Guillaumes, Gore Riders, Venom Grip, Mara's)

:scratch:
 

Naliworld

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I'm guessing a Titan-esque build(eg. most if not all points in STR) and a LOT of +STR/DEX items(unfortunately, this build is very HC-unfriendly, due to VERY low life, possibly low PDR and resists). Say:

Helm: Guilliaume's Face (+15 STR)
Armor: 'LionHeart' (+25 STR, +15 DEX, +20% ED)
Weapon: <assume a weapon with no +STR/DEX, like Fleshripper/StormLash>
Gloves: IMK Forge (+20 STR, +20 DEX)
Boots: Upg. Gore Riders
Belt: IMK Detail (+25 STR)
Total: +85 STR and +35 DEX

Assuming 420 STR and base DEX:
STR: 505
DEX: 55

Assuming an slvl 24 DTalon(+166% ED):

MinDamage= (505 + 55 - 20) / 4 * (100 + 166) / 100 + 83 * (100 + (505 * 120 / 100) + 166 + 20) / 100
= 540 / 4 * 266 / 100 + 83 * 1498 / 100
= 359 + 1243
= 1602

MaxDamage=(505 + 55 - 20) / 3 * (100 + 166) / 100 + 149 * (100 + (505 * 120 / 100) + 166 + 20) / 100
= 540 / 3 * 266 / 100 + 149 * 1498 / 100
= 478 + 2232
= 2710

Average damage per Kick = 2156.

Maybe I made a mistake somewhere, but it had to be a big mistake. Sure you didn't misinterpret some DTalon damage claims(or perhaps confuse DTalon with DTail?)?
 

Naliworld

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Even with TS, I doubt a DTalon would be able to reach 17-19k damage...somehow, I'm finding this is a bit of an exaggeration....

Unless he also took into account CB/Static damage, which I doubt, since monster life varies so much.
 

Svale

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det said:
http://forums.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=147526&page=1&pp=25

A guy called Bainister (or so) in post #17 claims he does that with Dragon Talon :scratch: charged up with TS he claims its 40 K even
He added all the kicks together. Like if you do 5 kicks at 1000 damage each that would add up to 5000 damage. But his post is a little hard to understand evry now and then and he seems to use the word average wrong.

Anyway that is how he gets those high numbers. What he forgot to think about is that instead of doing 3 charge ups he could just do anothe volley of kicks or two and do around the same damage maybe more (didn´t feel like doing the math) and he would save 20 skill points for something much more usefull :)
 

Naliworld

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Svale said:
He added all the kicks together. Like if you do 5 kicks at 1000 damage each that would add up to 5000 damage. But his post is a little hard to understand evry now and then and he seems to use the word average wrong.
I don't know, said it was 17-18k damage "PER KICK"(in caps, so I'm guessing he knew what he wrote)...

It can't be damage with TS either, since he said he had 40k damage with that....
 

podi

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i just got my ts/dt sin lvl 50, doing 16k whit ik boots. :) lvl 29 ts and 20 dt. using dual barctuc gives real nice boost to both skills and dex/str. and IK gloves + boots for ias, a little bit ar and more dex+str boost. :)

edit: dt = dragon tail, not dragon talon
 

det

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As you say: Dragon Tail and 16K damage

That guy claimed: Dragon TALON and 17K and more damage. So its bound to be a confusion on his side after all what I read here :scratch:
 

podi

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yea, i saw.. hm.. the calc for dtail is

TigerStrike * DTail ex. 1800% * 250% = 4500%

but for talon its

TigerStrike + talon ex. 1800 + 200% = 1600%

thats all i know.. maybe he just said DT and the dude thougt is saw Talon? i dont know, it sound impossible..
 

jrichard

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I don't see a way to come up with that much damage per kick. I'd bet that at the least venom is active and the total comes from just multiplying the LCS listed damage by the number of kicks. That wouldn't be the actual damage done, but i could see that being one way to list such damage. The other way i could think of has already been said, TS is fully charged and once again, the damage listed on the LCS is just being multiplied by the number of kicks as if the TS boost were applied to all of the kicks.

jrichard
 

Lunatic

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He's just talking crap. :) I for 1 don't believe it at all. 17k Dtalon dmg per kick = impossible. And no , 40 * 383 poison dmg sc's I don't call dmg :p They do over 15k of dmg over time , but that's still 10 sec. So that doesn't count. And I don't see a single other way of getting 17k Dtalon dmg per kick.
 

theBlackKnight

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Its perfectly plausable that he missed the period between 1 and 7.

I think it is fairly possible for someone to miss a period once in a while, like at the end of any scentence that most people type on these forums.

I do 1.6k per kick with my dtalon assasin :)
 

det

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My listed damage: max 538 + Venom (about 230) + 480 from Firelizzard = 1248

1.6k sounds much more plausible, especially if you get lots of str and upgraded Gore Riders.

Hm..my Enchantress adds nice fire damage (3000 with Kuko ATM), myabe I should get my claws enchanted :lol:
 

wisedoor

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I think it is hard, but possible, to achieve 17k average per kick, with a +damage setup, in the Tiger Strike kick.
Charms of +max damage and upgraded gores s and you can do that. Ethereal Myrmidon Greaves with +repair mod and it would be pretty easy.
Back in 1.09 i had a Hellslayer assa that could do 21k average, 40k max with tigerstrike, and a max damage setup.
People just tend to ignore the power of Tiger Strike. IMHO, it is one of the most powerful PvM skills, specially if you focus equipment to it.
 

Lunatic

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wisedoor said:
I think it is hard, but possible, to achieve 17k average per kick, with a +damage setup, in the Tiger Strike kick.
Charms of +max damage and upgraded gores s and you can do that. Ethereal Myrmidon Greaves with +repair mod and it would be pretty easy.
Back in 1.09 i had a Hellslayer assa that could do 21k average, 40k max with tigerstrike, and a max damage setup.
People just tend to ignore the power of Tiger Strike. IMHO, it is one of the most powerful PvM skills, specially if you focus equipment to it.
Why would you use ethereal myrmidon boots then? They don't add more kick dmg. Ethereal weapons add 50% ed to the base dmg. Ethereal armors add 50% def to the base defense. See the difference?

Also , Tigerstrike isn't all that great for pvm , unless you're going to use Dtail. For Dtalon you're prolly better off using just Dtalon.
 

Soepgroente

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Also, +max doesn't work with kicking.

Yea by the time i charged my tiger strike i could've done at least 12 kicks already, not worth it. Only in pvp to charge up on summons and D.flight in on your opponent.
 
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