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  1. thejdawg2

    thejdawg2 IncGamers Member

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    Draft?

    US Preparing for Military Draft in Spring 2005
    by Adam Stutz
    Vancouver IndyMedia - Wednesday January 28, 2004 at
    09:50 AM

    http://www.vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/01/105146.php

    The current agenda of the US federal government is to
    reinstate the draft in order to staff up for a
    protracted war on "terrorism."

    Pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin
    bills S 89 and HR 163) would time the program so the
    draft could begin at early as Spring 2005 --
    conveniently just after the 2004 presidential
    election!
    But the administration is quietly trying to get these
    bills passed NOW, so our action is needed immediately.
    Details and links follow.

    If voters who currently support U.S. aggression abroad
    were confronted with the possibility that their own
    children or grandchildren might not have a say about
    whether to fight, many of these same voters might
    have a change of mind. (Not that it should make a
    difference, but this plan would among other things
    eliminate higher education as a shelter and would not
    exclude women -- and Canada is no longer an option.)

    Please send this on to all the parents and teachers
    you know, and all the aunts and uncles, grandparents,
    godparents.... And let your children know -- it's
    their future, and they can be a power ful voice
    for change! Please also write to your representatives
    to ask them why they aren't telling their constituents
    about these bills -- and write to newspapers and other
    media outlets to ask them why they're not covering
    this important story.


    The Draft*

    $28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective
    Service System (SSS) budget to prepare for a military
    draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. SSS
    must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the
    system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready
    for activation. Please see website:
    http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view
    the SSS Annual Performance Plan - Fiscal Year 2004.

    The Pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to
    fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070
    appeals board slots nationwide..
    Though this is an unpopular election year topic,
    military experts and influential members of Congress
    are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a
    "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a
    permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves
    accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5146.htm

    Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and H.R. 163
    forward this year, entitled the Universal National
    Service Act of 2003, "To provide for the common
    defense by requiring that all young persons [age
    18--26] in the United States, including women, perform
    a period of military service or a period of civilian
    service in furtherance of the national defense and
    homeland security, and for other purposes." These
    active bills currently sit in the Committee on Armed
    Services.

    Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those
    from the Vietnam era remember. College and Canada will
    not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the US
    signed a "Smart Border Declaration," which
    could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in.
    Signed by Canada's Minister of Foreign Affairs, John
    Manley, and US Homeland Security Director, Gov. Tom
    Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan
    which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance
    agreement" of people entering and departing each
    country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more
    equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates
    higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would
    only be able to postpone service until the end of
    their current semester. Seniors would have until the
    end of the academic year.


    * This article by Adam Stutz is from the "What's Hot
    Off the Press" column of the newsletter of Project
    Censored, a media research group at Sonoma State
    University that tracks the news published in
    independent journals and newsletters. From these,
    Project Censored compiles an annual list (more than 20
    years running) of 25 news stories of social
    significance that have been overlooked, under-
    reported, or self-censored by the country's major
    national news media. The mission of Project Censored
    is "to educate people about the role of independent
    journalism in a democratic society and to tell The
    News
    That Didn't Make the News and why."
     
  2. maccool

    maccool IncGamers Member

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    I've seen this before. Isn't there an option in there to do your time as a civil service, like in Germany? I'm for it. Even those Socialist wierdos in Norway and Sweden have mandatory military service.

    Besides, it'll be easier to get out of serving than the last time the draft was instituted what with teenage health issues like obesity, ADHD, etc. Not to mention the "Don't ask, Don't tell" policy and all the other silly rules that have been enacted since 1974 (1973?).
     
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    How old are you Mac? And have you ever served in the military?
     
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    Dredd D3 Off Topic Moderator

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    :lol: I'm too old to be drafted.

    The draft issue seems to come up every couple of years and it never amounts to anything. In spite of the current state of affairs here, I doubt this will ever come to pass.
     
  5. Munch

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    Big Link. If it doesn't work, go to http://www.house.gov/ and do a search on "HR 163". More info on the bill is here.

    But to summarize, it's just a bill. It's not a law, and it's not going to be passed. I'd suggest never reading that newspaper again, because they have no idea what they're talking about.

    Reinstituting the draft is usually up for a bill every single session. As is a Flag Burning Ban Amendment, a "lets declare the US a Christian Nation" amendment, and various other absurd ideas. NONE of them pass.

    But reinstituting the draft is usually brought forth by pacifistic democrats (and republicans, if there is such a thing). The reason being, a country is less likely to send troops to war if its military is full of people who are there involuntarily. It's an interesting argument, and probably holds some merit - but has a lot of downside as well.
     
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    The SSS has always been. So that is nothing new. The US military still has to turn away a LOT of people and has not in any recent years had a problem filling the billets. The Draft would only be needed in a severe emergency (read China invading the continental US). It has been discussed imensely in the military and as stated above there are SO many factors (Drugs, Behaviour Issues, other) that would label a person as Unfit for Service 4F. But having that stigma attached to you would for many would limit their ability to obtain other jobs and it's got to be pretty degrading to be labled unfit in any areana. After 9/11 we had a large influx of volunteers to out ALL Volunteer force and still we get a lot of new folks who want to do their part.

    Will the draft be necessary? I doubt it.

    R++
     
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    Old enough to know better and you should know the answer to your second question.

    But what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

    Edit: yeah, what R++ said. There's lots of people that actually want to join the military.
     
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    You would not be forced to serve if the draft were reinstated. Mandatory military service is not on your horizon no matter what happens save massive military invasion of our shores. It's a lot easy to say that "someone else" should have to serve in the military, regardless of whether they want to or not.
     
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    *<---Active duty, doesn't care :D *
     
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    Oh, don't get me wrong, jdawg I am in that draft age range. I happen to think the draft isn't a bad idea.

    I reckon it's not on your horizon either. So why get your knickers in a twist?
     
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    ^--- Also active duty, also does not care. :teeth:

    I wouldn't worry about this too much. Considering the airforce is being forced to reduce it's numbers by 16,000 and the army is the only service allowed to increase it's numbers slightly, I wouldn't worry about the draft.

    Even so, if you read the bill at Congress' site, it's just talking about a period of mandatoy military or civil service. I mean, many nations already have this and I am all for it. If I wasn't already in I would have no problem with this. Quite honestly, I think a couple years of military or civil service would do everyone good.
     
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    Even if by some strange turn of events this bill does pass, it can't be enacted unless Congress also votes to raise the cap on military personnel. Even with the current war on terrorism, the Army has not been allowed to increase it's current force structure. Under our new Chief of Staff, a numbers game is being played and 30,000 more troops are being brought on board. Several reasons for this, but the additional troops are only temporary. I'd have to say that it would be nice if Congress would approve the additional 30k plus up as permanent, but very small chance of that.
     
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    The 60's was a different time.

    The rich kids got defered

    The hippies said no

    The poor said "I get three meals a day"?

    The farmboy said "Grampa went so I guess I should too".

    It was a different time back then and a lot has changed. The lessons learned from past mistakes have made for a stronger force.

    I myself enjoy knowing that the guy (or gal) working next to me wants to be there as opposed to being told to be there. There is a pride in service that can only be truly understood by those who serve.

    R++
     
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    Amen to all that. :thumbsup:
     
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    I concur.



    10 character spam.
     
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    That's the first time I have seen Nowegians and Swedes referred to as "Socialist wierdos".

    I have just sone a minor google on the countries with mandatory conscription.

    One thing did catch my eye:

     
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    I dont' think it will ever again be like it was during WW2. Everyone fought, everyone helped. No matter what kind of war we will get ourselvs into, there will always be hippies.
     
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    Pretty funny, huh? I left out the Danes on purpose ;)

    As for the draft being slavery, I'm not sure I buy it. You're free to leave the military at any time through a number of ways; <insert Bush National Guard comment>.
     
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    I grew up with the draft as a fact of life. The whining is falling on deaf ears, here.

    If, they institute the draft, again, you can always move to Canada, and renounce your US citizenship.

    NB :uhhuh:
     
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    "Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those
    from the Vietnam era remember. College and Canada will
    not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the US
    signed a "Smart Border Declaration," which
    could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in."
     

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