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Does HC get Arena?

Discussion in 'Diablo 3 General Discussion' started by br0d, Oct 23, 2010.

  1. br0d

    br0d Diabloii.Net Member

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    Does HC get Arena?

    I'm not seeing how they can implement arenas for HC mode... surely they won't have organised pvp with permadeath? Alternately, having a HC game mode where there's no permadeath would be a bit silly.
     
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    Re: Does HC get Arena?

    From what I gathered about the Arena system is this:

    - It will be seperated from the core game mode, and will be acessed through Battle.Net (much like finding a ranked match on SC2).

    - Since this mode will be seperate, the permanent death won't apply. Permadeath will still exist in the core game though.
     
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    Re: Does HC get Arena?

    Hardcore's Hardcore. Arena hardcore should be simple - 1 life, to the victor goes the spoils. Otherwise, not hardcore.
     
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    Re: Does HC get Arena?

    Sometimes I wonder how out of touch they are with pvp. First of all, if you're going to admit people will find ways to unbalance the game why are you assuming that making it team based will be better?

    4 on 4 means that the room will be filled with people who picked the same overpowered class/build....

    Unless you want to introduce a system that doesn't allow more than one of the same class in one game. That would be a disaster then when the game turns into "assist the sorceress"
     
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    Re: Does HC get Arena?

    @Clay

    Unless it has changed over the years I stopped playing, an overpowered "beats everything" character build does not exist in Diablo 2 PvP. Build A might easily kick Build B, C, D's arses, but it might get caved in by build E. The idea behind team PvP to ensure that a team will be balanced enough to not just be caved in by a counter.

    But that opens up a problem of rock-paper-scissor for random games.
     
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    Re: Does HC get Arena?

    Actually, team based balance means you won't have one single cookie cutter character build dominate everything. Instead, you'll have a cookie cutter team build that dominates everything. For instance, in a straight 1v1 fight, the DH may be tops; great snares, traps, movement, etc. However, once you add teammates and flank her, she's toast. So you need good team synergy, not just a group of 1v1 specialists.

    That said, there will be cookie cutter teams; a specific group w/ specific builds trying to do specific things to specific targets. Although it looks good so far that it doesn't seem like unending lock-down crowd control crap that usually passes for PvP in these kinds of games.
     
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    Re: Does HC get Arena?

    The more choices there are the harder it is to come up with a "beats everything" setup. And just because something can beat everything 1v1 doesn't mean 4 of them will win in 4v4.


     
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    Re: Does HC get Arena?

    just confirmed you can fight in the arena as a hardcore character but if you die that the end of you
     
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    Re: Does HC get Arena?

    Yup and that's how it should be shouldn't it? It's hardcore, you die, it's over.
     
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    Re: Does HC get Arena?

    I foresee a lot of great gambling potential on various and sundry E-Sport websites pitting the best of the best Hardcore PvP characters against each other, to the death.
     
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    Re: Does HC get Arena?

    Yeah. That's really, really intimidating, though, particularly because it's team-based pvp.


     
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    Re: Does HC get Arena?

    They did mention that they are implementing a 1 on 1 arena simply because it's Diablo thing.
     
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    Re: Does HC get Arena?

    And it will be horribly imbalanced.


     
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    Re: Does HC get Arena?

    Well, that's a given. Their PvP balance is more group centric. 1v1 will never be balanced in ARPG format.
     
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    Re: Does HC get Arena?

    i envision an achievement that will hold great weight among the members of the D3 community. talked about this is the chat "there can be only one" kill 100 level 60 characters in the hardcore arena.


    i also wonder about items. who gets them? are they just lost or rewards to the victor?
     
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    Re: Does HC get Arena?

    Probably 1v1 dueling will be limited to same class duels most of the the time on hc to cut out cross class imbalances, no doubt there will be people that will duel cross class, but most 1v1 duels will be same class.
     
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    Re: Does HC get Arena?

    Eh, builds will probably be the deciding factor, not class. So I doubt the 1 class limit.
     
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    Re: Does HC get Arena?

    During Q&A some one asked this same question, and the responce was yes there will be areanas, and since it is hardcore when you die you die. Hardcore rule does not change in pvp for you hard core players.
     
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    Re: Does HC get Arena?

    I didn't mean a limit imposed by Blizzard, more like how the players will play. Just like in D2 people made duel barb for bvb or duel ama for ava or duel sorcs for svs. You will be able to duel across classes no doubt.

    As for the build being more of a factor than class, that might be theoretically true, but I won't be suprised at all if we'll end up with barbs not wanting to duel wizards and wizards not wanting to duel monks and so on and so forth. There will be racial imbalances, and saying it's the build not the race is true only if you think all skills of all classes are very good and are must have, that won't happen. All classes will have some kind of broken skill that will wtfpwn some other class as such that class will not want to duel the first class.

    We already know that, that's what we were talking about.


     
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    Re: Does HC get Arena?

    HC arena is insane. To get through the game in hardcore, you have to play so incredibly conservatively and cautiously, and arena can be over so quick, I can't imagine many people sinking in the number of hours it takes to play a character to 60, gear him/her up for pvp and then throw them away in the arena.
     

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