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does fend and/or jab work with javelins?

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  1. vrot

    vrot Diabloii.Net Member

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    does fend and/or jab work with javelins?

    I want to build a physical damage melee zon, but I'd like to use a shield.

    Thanks for the thoughts
     
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    Re: does fend and/or jab work with javelins?

    Yes, both can be used with javelins.
     
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    Re: does fend and/or jab work with javelins?

    thanks!


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    Re: does fend and/or jab work with javelins?

    Please read the pop up description when you place your mouse over the skill button. It tells you.
     
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    Re: does fend and/or jab work with javelins?

    ... and I thought I was a n00b.... :cool:
     
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    Re: does fend and/or jab work with javelins?

    ironically the guy with 370+ posts is the one asking, and you have 17, lol



     
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    Re: does fend and/or jab work with javelins?

    no need to make fun of a guy for asking basic questions...we were all in his shoes at one time.
     
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    Re: does fend and/or jab work with javelins?

    Speak for yourself. I was King from day 1.



     
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    Re: does fend and/or jab work with javelins?

    even two years ago, you were full of malarkey.



     
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    Re: does fend and/or jab work with javelins?

    You really so bored that you're going to go necro-stalk the banana man?
     
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    Re: does fend and/or jab work with javelins?

    Josh cant help himself.. he is in love with the Krembanan :girly:
     
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    Re: does fend and/or jab work with javelins?

    And who wouldnt love a Norwegian banana-flavored chocolate bar filled with what Wiki describes as "a layer of gel"...mmm, delicious gel

    Because when I think of Norway, I think "bananas!"
     
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    Re: does fend and/or jab work with javelins?

    Actually it was me who described it like that, since I wrote that article on wiki :)
    But its been edited some.. my version was better :D
     
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    Re: does fend and/or jab work with javelins?

    To get this thread back on topic, I'd like to remind all involved that both Jab and Fend are interruptable. That is, you will complete the cycle but none of the pokes will hit. True, Jab hits so fast that it may not matter...

    And there are rumors that you have to lift your finger off of the mouse button assigned or the attacks will continue to whiff. The rumor applies more to Fend than Jab, but there you are. I have no idea, check the amazonbasin for the answer.

    And what interrupts? A hit for >12% of HP damage, blocking activates (so why use a shield? Oh, and these two suggest putting the pts from dex for max block into vit), or triggering DAE. The latter is why some spearies have no DAE, forego the valk, and dump all their pts into a buff Decoy.

    Good luck,
    TehSpud



     
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    Re: does fend and/or jab work with javelins?

    The thread went off-topic two years ago when it went dead, till someone necroed it just to spam :)

    I really think the OP has resolved his question by now...

    and, incidentally, i'm pretty sure you're not supposed to recommend amazonbasin as they're a competing wiki to this sites'. And yes, if you hold down your button to Fend continuously, you need to release it after being interrupted, or you'll whiff until you do.

    Held-down keyboard and mouse buttons repeating an input is actually a local software setting, so the client on your computer is fine with it, so you'll SEE yourself doing Fend, but the server says you got interrupted, and its waiting for you to tell it what to do next - but it wont recognize a held-down button, you have to send a fresh click for it to recognize the input.
     
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    Re: does fend and/or jab work with javelins?

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    Re: does fend and/or jab work with javelins?

    Fend for regular pvming and jab vs. bosses.
     
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    Re: does fend and/or jab work with javelins?

    Wow... You got me to log in after such a long time...:p

    I just had to straighten that up. This informations is wrong. Fend/Jab/Strafe are not interruptable. They are just as uninterruptable as zeal(for example).

    What is often referred to as "Fend bug" should actually be called D/A/E bug, since the whole problem lies in those skills. They interrupt uninterruptable skills serverside(yes, they interrupt zeal too). Clientside however, they do not interrupt those attacks. Here is what this means:

    If in the middle of an uninterruptable attack D/A/E is triggered, serverside your attack stops, but clientside it will continue. You will see your character as still attacking on screen, and it won't respond to your commands(client will reject them, since you're still attacking), but you won't damage anything because serverside you're just standing still.

    If, during this period another animation is triggered(blocking, hit recovery or D/A/E) server will force the client to display it, and so it will look as if this animation interrupted your Fend/Jab/Strafe/Zeal attack.

    And that is why people think blocking and hit recovery do interrupt those skills. That's not true. Fend/Jab/Strafe/Zeal were interrupted serverside earlier by D/A/E, and what you saw was just the next animation triggered.

    Skipping D/A/E completely negates the problem.

    If you have no D/A/E, you can safely stand in the middle of Listers pack fending away with your titans+stormshield wielding zon with 75% block, while each of them hits you for more than 12% of you max life, as long as life tap is on them, with zero interruptions.



     
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    Re: does fend and/or jab work with javelins?

    Welcome back.
    So you are saying that block and hit recovery (>12% HP damage) never actually interrupt Fend/Jab/Strafe/Zeal? This is big news, if true, at least to me.

    I have a lot of experience with strafe apparently being interrupted by hit recovery (almost all Fenders had a spear and a Valk...), but I have no actual proof. Do you?

    Thanks,
    TehSpud



     
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    Re: does fend and/or jab work with javelins?

    Valk means you had DAE on all of them, right?

    For strafe:
    I once had this crazy idea - since strafe attacks at 3fpa, as long as a strafer can survive ~2 hits and monsters around are life tapped, strafer should be invincible. I put this idea into motion - made a D/A/E-less strafer, although I ditched her in early hell because I lacked a good bow, I made several experiments during nightmare baalruns.

    Fact 1 - Listers minions killed her in 4-5 hits.
    Fact 2 - Once LifeTap was on, she could tank them without problems.
    The only possible conclusion = strafe cannot be interrupted by FHR.

    For fend - my fenders always had lowish 1000+ life. They couldn't tank more than a few hits from Pindle-like zombies charges in Pindle garden(Hell). Once they started fending, they never stopped leeching. Same went for Lister and his friends. Once again - the only possible conclusion - fend cannot be interrupted by FHR.

    I also did extensive(more than 100 attacks when surrounded by monsters for each skill with or without DAE) testing in Act 5 Normal(thank you act 5 command:p). With D/A/E on my characters, it often looked as if FHR or Blocking animation interrupted fend/jab/strafe. It never happened on characters without DAE though.



     

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