Do you believe in God?

[stillman]

Re: Do you believe in God?

I can't help but wonder how many of you guys were just about to eat your corn flakes when your parents told you you can't have any unless and until you say grace. It becomes a survival mechanism. If you don't have the same religion as your parents, they don't love you as much, and you were all smart enough to know that you were best off having your parents love you.

Now, I'm afraid your brains have been wired a certain way and there is no going back ever. They could have told you that underwear is worn on the outside of your jeans and you would have accepted that to the core of your being if it meant getting fed, clothed, and having some Xmas gifts under the tree. Brainwashing is permanent. I was a fool to bring science and rational thought into this pit of robots.

Don't you see Johnny? It's no use! The turtles are as real to them as your paycheck.

 

[KremBanan]

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watching 2 religious partys debate eachother over who is right is so vague on both ends, it's like watching jellyfish wrestle.

Another great one from Johnny :thumbup:

 

[krischan]

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It's Four Turtles, Heretic.

Dondrei will agree that you need the tops of 3 turtles to define a plane, but perhaps one of the four is lined up exactly with two others. Whatever, one of them will be redundant then.

 

[Ariadne]

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It's one thing watching a scientist debate that the earth is round with a christian that claims that earth is a flat disk on top of 2 turtles standing on an elephant but it get's downright hilarious when you watch a christian debate that the earth is a flat disk on top of 2 turtles standing on an elephant with a muslim that says the earth is a virgin that was smited by allah into a triangle shape, the seas her tears and the land her menstrual blood.

Wasn't it 4 elephants on the back of a turtle?

 

[Nostavar]

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You're all crazy. The earth rests on Atlas' shoulders.

 

[Johnny]

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Wasn't it 4 elephants on the back of a turtle?

Probably was.

 

[WildBerry]

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You're all crazy. The earth rests on Atlas' shoulders.

Atlas has the sky on his shoulders, unless you're smoking the same crack the dev team of God of War II was puffing away.

 

[Johnny]

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Atlas has the sky on his shoulders

The poor guy has to carry air on his shoulders? Every day too? poor guy.

 

[Tanooki]

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The tetragrammaton refers to God (the God of the Israelites, in fact), not Jesus. You seem pretty unclear about the theology of Christianity yourself.

Since God (the Father - YHWH) is the same being as God (the Son - Yeshua) I'm pretty sure I know my theology ok.

I can't speak for Jewish theology, so perhaps Jews can believe that Muslims and the like share their God, but Christians can point to this verse:

Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Muhammad, Charles Taze Russell, Joseph Smith - they started at the right place, but took a wrong turn. That's sad in itself - but they convinced many many others to follow them.

If you need me to post why these three individuals are clearly not teaching the Christian God, I will. But try doing a few minutes of Googling first on your own. And if you aren't even a member of any of these religions, why do you even care?

 

[krischan]

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So if the others are praying to different gods, is there more than one ? Or does none of them exist, except for one ? Which is it then ? And why ?

 

[Mistress Sersi]

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Read "The Pagan Christ." Apparently, the early Christians wanted a standard, literal understanding of their religion, so they borrowed many of the Egyptian
Horus myths & incorporated them into this person known as Jesus. The gnostics, a more spiritual group, lost out.

SO there was no actual person named Jesus, it was a myth to get people to believe.

Christianity was a product of its time and place.

 

[Mistress Sersi]

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http://www.pocm.info/

ou already know Christmas trees and Easter eggs were originally Pagan, and you probably know the seasonal timing of the two holidays is Pagan too. Mildly interesting. Not what you'll find here. What you'll discover at POCM is that ancient cultures around the Mediterranean shared standard ideas about Gods and their powers and place in the universe—and that Christianity simply adopted those ideas and applied them to Jesus. Ancient people knew godmen did miracles. The first Christians thought Jesus was a godman, so they told stories about Jesus doing miracles. They even had Him doing the same miracles as the other godmen.

The core of Christianity—the worship of a miracle working, walking, talking godman who brings salvation—was also the core of other ancient religions that began at least a thousand years before Jesus.

Heaven, hell, prophecy, daemon possession, sacrifice, initiation by baptism, communion with God through a holy meal, the Holy Spirit, monotheism, immortality of the soul, and many other "Christian" ideas all belonged to earlier, older Pagan faiths. They were simply part of ancient Mediterranean culture. Along with miracle working sons of God, born of a mortal woman, they were common elements of pre-Christian Pagan religion. Mithras had 'em. So did Dionysus, Attis, Osiris, and Orpheus. And more.



http://www.tomharpur.com/books/books_thepaganchrist.asp

 

[Mistress Sersi]

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"When Osiris is said to bring his believers eternal life in Egyptian Heaven, contemplating the unutterable, indescribable glory of God, we understand that as a myth.

When the sacred rites of Demeter at Eleusis are described as bringing believers happiness in their eternal life, we understand that as a myth. >>

In fact, when ancient writers tell us that in general ancient people believed in eternal life, with the good going to the Elysian Fields and the not so good going to Hades, we understand that as a myth.

When Vespatian's spittle healed a blind man, we understand that as a myth.

When Apollonius of Tyana raised a girl from death, we understand that as a myth.

When the Pythia , the priestess at the Oracle at Delphi, in Greece, prophesied, and over and over again for a thousand years, the prophecies came true, we understand that as a myth.

When Dionysus turned water into wine, we understand that as a myth. When Dionysus believers are filled with atay, the Spirit of God, we understand that as a myth.

When Romulus is described as the Son of God, born of a virgin, we understand that as a myth.

When Alexander the Great is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we understand that as a myth.

When Augustus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal , we understand that as a myth. woman

When Dionysus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we understand that as a myth.

When Scipio Africanus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we understand that as a myth.

So how come when Jesus is described as
the Son of God,
born of a mortal woman,
according to prophecy,
turning water into wine,
raising girls from the dead, and
healing blind men with his spittle,
and setting it up so His believers got eternal life in Heaven contemplating the unutterable, indescribable glory of God, and off to Hades—er, I mean Hell—for the bad folks...
how come that's not a myth?

And how come, in a culture with all those Sons of God, where miracles were science, where Heaven and Hell and God and eternal life and salvation were in the temples, in the philosophies, in the books, were dancing and howling in street festivals, how come we imagine Jesus and the stories about him developed all on their own, all by themselves, without picking up any of their stuff from the culture they sprang from, the culture full of the same sort of stuff?"

 

[SnickerSnack]

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The turtles are as real to them as your paycheck.

Johnny awaits the second coming of Paycheck...sometime in January.

Tanooki: I'm satisfied that you have reason for thinking what you think, and those reasons probably won't make any sense to me.

 

[WildBerry]

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The poor guy has to carry air on his shoulders? Every day too? poor guy.

The Christian God has it's house there and I heard it's a pretty big crib. It can get heavy, I guess.

 

[Dondrei]

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Dondrei will agree that you need the tops of 3 turtles to define a plane, but perhaps one of the four is lined up exactly with two others. Whatever, one of them will be redundant then.

I think it's for weight and stability.

Since God (the Father - YHWH) is the same being as God (the Son - Yeshua) I'm pretty sure I know my theology ok.

Yeah... it's not.

And if you aren't even a member of any of these religions, why do you even care?

Hmm, that's a white flag post if ever I saw one.

 

[buttershug]

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If you need me to post why these three individuals are clearly not teaching the Christian God, I will. But try doing a few minutes of Googling first on your own. And if you aren't even a member of any of these religions, why do you even care?

Have you ever traced beliefs and when they started rather than starting with what you were told first and working backwards? Don't take the conclusions as givens.

And on the weekend at at political rally I saw someone carrying a "pro-family" sign. Which means the person was in favour of telling people how to live their lives. At least I have never seen anyone "pro-family" not telling people how to live their lives.

 

[krischan]

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I think it's for weight and stability..

Also, every carpenter would tell us that we are idiots, as everybody knows that a table will fall over if you knock off one of its legs and only 3 remain.

 

[Tanooki]

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Dondrei - please enlighten us as to your understanding of the Christian theology, and in what way am I wrong saying that YHWH and Yeshua and the Holy Ghost are the same being.

 

[KillerAim]

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buttershug:

And on the weekend at at political rally I saw someone carrying a "pro-family" sign. Which means the person was in favour of telling people how to live their lives. At least I have never seen anyone "pro-family" not telling people how to live their lives.

Just as I have never met a person on the Left who doesn't believe he has the right to tell others how to live their lives. Like Thomas Sowell has said:

Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you do not approve of. Nazis were free to be Nazis under Hitler. It is only when you are able to do things that other people don't approve that you are free.