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Disintegrate. From red to purple?

Discussion in 'Wizard' started by Madmaxio, Nov 2, 2010.

  1. Madmaxio

    Madmaxio Diabloii.Net Member

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    Disintegrate. From red to purple?

    Hi all, I saw in the pvp video disintegrate goes from orangle color at start to purple, is it true or something is wrong with the video oO? Also there is some info it works similar to void ray from sc2 (the more u attack one target the bigger damage), can someone confirm this plz?
     
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    Re: For those who played wizard at blizzcon 2010

    although the wiki does not confirm this, at 16:14 and 18:04 in the presskit video you can see that the damage doubles once the beam turns purple (orange beem does 15 dmg on the mongrels with 29, purple beam jumps to hits of 29 with 58 crit). seems like a void ray mechanic to me. also, i had read that in one of the external hands-on reports, i think.
     
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    Re: For those who played wizard at blizzcon 2010

    So, just as I thought it's void ray like.... So wait, is it always like that? or is it a skill rune effect?
     
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    Re: For those who played wizard at blizzcon 2010

    The spell description doesn't mention anything of it. Probably a rune then... Or the description is just outdated. Or it's pvp-specific as a compensation to the downside of standing still while casting, but that seems unlikely to me ;)
     
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    Re: For those who played wizard at blizzcon 2010

    I think the skill has been enhanced by a rune.
     
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    Re: For those who played wizard at blizzcon 2010

    well, i checked the report posted by flux, as far as i remember he says it was no rune there :coffee:


     
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    Re: For those who played wizard at blizzcon 2010

    all of the skills in the pvp arena were lvl 5 with a rune. I just didn't note what every rune was. Nor did anyone else, sadly.

    The core function of Disintegrate is that it increases damage with longer locked on time on a single target. I don't see that in the short skill description from this year, but I recall them stressing that when they first discussed the skill. Not clear if that's what's showing up in the suddenly double damage you can note in the video, but both times you mention it's after the skill has been hitting for a second or so, which seems a likely explanation. Longer time locked on = more damage, whether that's from crits or just the damage scaling up with time is kind of irrelevant.

    You don't get the damage pop up numbers in PvM, and you're kinda too busy worrying about other stuff to really notice it in PvP, but interesting that it seems to show up in the gameplay video.
     
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    Re: For those who played wizard at blizzcon 2010

    This is exactly what Madmaxio and I meant by mentioning the "void ray mechanic". It works the same way with this certain SC2 Protoss Unit. I wonder why the spell description doesn't mention any of this if it really is a "core mechanic" like you say. Also, the effect doesn't occur in PvM. At least not in any video I have seen. And also not in the official Disintegrate Video at diablo3.com o_0.


     
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    Re: For those who played wizard at blizzcon 2010

    It also happens at 15:39. Dmg shows as 22, then purple ray and 44 dmg is the next pop up. I found an old quote about a Blizzcon 2008 panel that backs up my old memories of the skill's function.

    Clearly the disintegrate beam is turning purple and going to double damage after it locks on for a second, as part of the skill's function. So: 1) Is the dmg a critical hit, or 2) does the skill's basic function double in damage/turn purple after X time locked on, and crits are calculated as a bonus on top of that?

    I'd vote for #1. Since the PvP shows damage dealt, it would surely include crit damage. If the skill were doing double, and sometimes it does double + critical, you'd think that number would pop up, and that number would probably be too high: 4x damage from such an easy to hit with spell would be crazy, eh?
     
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    Re: For those who played wizard at blizzcon 2010

    Note that the D3 official site info is 1) limited in scope, and 2) very old. I believe the wiz videos there now are the same ones that went up with the class reveal at Blizzcon 2008. The idea to turn the beam purple with double/crit probably came about much more recently.

    Quite possible they got the idea from fans; note the purple fan-colored arcane beam from a bashiok forum post in July 2009.
    http://www.diablowiki.net/Disintegrate#Spell_Colour_Feedback

    Some bliz artist might well have seen that, thought, "huh, it does look pretty cool purple... how could we work that into the game?" and then when they wanted a graphical representation of the "locked on higher damage" they went with it.



     
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    Re: For those who played wizard at blizzcon 2010

    Also, I maded a pretty.

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    Re: Disintegrate. From red to purple?

    Hmm, it seems the WD(?) heals 3 HP between shots (unknown time).


    The beam does 66 displayed damage. 66% of that (res, pvp penalty, anything could reduce it) is the 44 he's missing (well, 43 assuming he was 351 HP from 394).





    Also interesting is that the white out either missed in the first, or was triggered by the crit hit.

    Different placement makes me think it was either a different attack dealing damage (not likely), or that it was just old and the effect had worn off by then.


    Hmm, then why the crit change in text...probably just because it's different.
     
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    Re: For those who played wizard at blizzcon 2010

    looks like u are going to play wizard a lot, hehe :thumbup:
    well, i think option 1 is wrong just because:
    - crits are random (u can get a crit at 1 sec, 2 sec, 3 sec or any other second, or dont get it). So if there were no crits, beam would still be orange, but we see it goes purple every time wizard attack someone
    - the time needed to become purple is always the same as i noticed (time of actuall "cooking")
    - also looks like crit numbers are yellow, not-crit numbers are white? or crit numbers are just bigger? if yes, whats the difference between white and yellow numbers? can u plz highlight this issue too


    also, about "void ray" - the void ray, itself, need some time to "warmup" and then it will deal bigger damage to ANY target it attacks.
    wizard does more damage to ONE target, who were "cooked" for some time, so if he switches target the damage will go to lowest value, the process will start again


     
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    Re: Disintegrate. From red to purple?

    I made another one, cause they're fun to do. This one throws confusion on the issue. There's double damage without turning purple. And then there's double damage with turning purple.

    My theory is that the double damage is the skill's inherent "increases damage with lock on" property. The purple is a critical hit, which is scored independently of the double damage, but is very likely to occur at about the same time, since the more hits = more chances for critical.

    [​IMG]

    There's another one right after this pic, at 16:57, where the Wizard scores 5 hits point blank on a WD. The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th are all double damage, the 5th goes back to single damage, but the beam never goes red.

    I don't get the Barb's damage taken on this one. A few of the numbers correlate almost exactly to the displayed damage, but others seem way off, and he doesn't seem to be taking damage from any other source.

    I don't think this was a rune property, but imagine if the damage dealt were varying by the skill/rune causing it to bypass some/all of the Barb's resistance? That would be a nifty rune effect, though fairly subtle to notice in the heat of battle.
     
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    Re: Disintegrate. From red to purple?

    nice job Flux
    now i see my theory about beam going purple every time is wrong, hmmm.
    fourth hit(15) visually looks like crit to me (digits are big), so looks like u are right here - crit triggers purple color, but how long beam will stay purple?
    the biggest question here is still the role of the rune, i remember jay was talking something like "we dont want runes change only stats, we want them change skill visually"
     
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    Re: Disintegrate. From red to purple?

    The size of the numbers doesn't mean anything except how long after they first appeared I took the screenshot. All of the display texts (block, stun, immune, dmg, etc) pop up large and then fade in size over time.

    I haven't gone over all of the disintegrate portions of the movie frame by frame, but in the 3 i've looked at (2 shot above) the purple only stops when the target is lost, or the wiz stops using Disintegrate.

    Which seems to argue against it being part of a critical hit trigger; if purple showed critical it should be flickering on all the time, not turning on after some time and then staying on.

    On the other hand, why would the beam stay red and deliver multiple 2x damage in a row? Critical hit bonus damage shouldn't be 50% or more of the time, should it?

    The inconsistencies in this are making me curious enough I might have to spend the time to look at all of the wiz disintegrates in that movie, just to try to figure out the mechanics. Pfffft.
     
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    Re: Disintegrate. From red to purple?

    Everything seems to contradict itself over and over again :D. Well, I'm positive you'll let us know if and when you've found some theory not proven wrong^^.
     
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    Re: Disintegrate. From red to purple?

    Hmm weird looking at the pics, those pop up numbers have to be crits unless something else is hitting the barb as the health drop between the first & second hit is 944-866=78 which is more than 29 damage of the second hit it more than the "2 hits" added together.
    Dunno what made it go Purple when it did though, as it don't make sense it should of gone purple on second hit IMO.
     
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    Re: Disintegrate. From red to purple?

    Ignore the pop-up numbers and concentrate on the HP bars in the video frame by frame.

    Here comes the simple truth: PURPLE MEANS DAMAGE OUTPUT DOUBLED.
    Disintegrate damage ticks every 6 frames.
    Red damage per tick is around 15, crit around 22.
    Purple damage per tick is around 29, crit around 44.

    And the beam always turns purple 0.8S-0.85S (AROUND 25 FRAMES) AFTER STARTING CHANNELING.

    18:00-18:05 in the video also shows that CHANGING TARGET WON'T REDUCE THE PURPLE DAMAGE.

    The pop-up numbers are pretty bugged. Maybe they are accumulated damage in a very short period, since they are always like 15-29-44 sequence when red and 29-58-87 sequence when purple? Well, hope they fix that soon...
     
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    Re: Disintegrate. From red to purple?

    Could it be a overheating visual.
    IF beam turns purple
    THEN only usable for X seconds
    IF NOT stop use within those X seconds
    THEN hp-loss, huge cooldowntime, instadeath?
     

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