Delirium antlers?

[NickaliskTrent]

I was wondering, I have the CoA +spirit sword/shield which reaches the 173 fhr breakpoint.

But would Shaeled Shako be +spirit shield/sword be better?

Coa with BerBer = a lot of Dr

Shako has less DR, more life, and more +skill.

is the CoA set up better in some way?

 

[w a t s o n]

If you are dueling melee and using the 2x spirit combo then yes, you need to use ber ber coa for the dr, because you wont get any from your shield.

@Lendial I am west ladder and I'd love to duel sometime, don't expect much though as i am not very good. If you have any pointers I'd love to learn, because as i said i have never pvped before making this char, and none of my friends pvp either. (most of them dont even get on anymore.) In any case I need all the practice i can get.

 

[lendial]

i left you a private msg, hope to duel soon.

 

[NickaliskTrent]

ok CoA... got that.

Now is there ever a situation where I need 163 fcr?

or even more absurdly, 163 WITH 174?

 

[lendial]

vs bvc id say youd need both. the reason is that leap will ignore minion block and knock you in fhr recovery.

 

[NickaliskTrent]

I'm quite new to pvp, in fact i am in the process of building my first pvp char, a windy druid(for the most part he is done). I figured i'd share my setup as it seems to be working out well (although i am a very inexperienced dueler, i seem to be winning quite a bit with it, and having a great time.)

Helm: Jalals (sheal)
Ammy: 2 druid 19 fcr (looking for one with some other good mods, but you are right, they can be hard to find)
Rings: 10 Fcr Dex+res and 10 fcr Str+life
Weapon: Hoto/Wiz spike for caster setup
Shield: SS(ber)/35 Spirit for caster setup
Armor: Dusk Enigma (Imo looks the best on druid)
Gloves: Bloodfist/Trangs for caster setup
Boots: Treks/Waterwalks for caster setup
Charms: 20/20 Druid Torch 20/15 anni/ ele skillers with some mods (str/dex)/20 life scs

Some changes i still want to make, Id like to get 2x fhr skillers so i can use waterwalks with both setups, and i'd also like to get ahold of a really nice rare pelt, but damn is it hard to find one that can beat jalals. (wouldnt swap it out until i found a rare with 5 nado/2 os/ 10 fhr) And of course i could use some nice ele lifers, but i cant really afford these without tapping my pvm chars.

This setup gives me 99/99 for melee and 99/163 for caster, which seems to work out quite nice. I considered using ber/ber coa for dr instead of ss, but ss gives me even more dr and max block. I would never use shako over jalals, the only benifit i can possibly see is slightly more life, but that is in no way worth the loss of 50 fhr/30 res/20 str/20 energy ect. from jalals. I would however take a shako over a druid delirium, as there are no good mods on that besides 5 nado. Almost any rare 5 nado pelt beats it, but as i said before, it takes a really good 5 nado pelt to beat jalas. To summerize:
5 Nado/10 fhr/2os(sheal/sheal)/other mods rare pelt>Jalals(sheal)>shako(sheal)>Druid delirium.
In other words, delerium comes in dead last; dont use it.

nice

I wanted to know ur thoughts on the 99/99 vs bvc barbs.

Whats your win percentage? Mine was horrible, but I think I'm starting to get the hang of it.

Someone also suggested 163/174 which I have yet to try (can't until i get an 18fcr ammy) but at the moment, 163/99 and 99/174 seem sufficient.

Ironically, When I load up on starbucks double shots I don't even need the 174 fhr. I can sorta "observe" when the barb is going to tele near me and WW and port out in advance.

My main trouble is leap+teleWW.

 

[lendial]

dont use drugs to enhance your gaming abilities jk.

 

[w a t s o n]

I just got destroyed by a warcry barb. Def need more fhr vs him. Supposedly hes on of the best warcryers though (not his words, other people in the game recognized him)

 

[lendial]

i can say ive never met a good WCbarb the class is just so underpowered, its like a chanting widow sorc.

 

[w a t s o n]

well after going like 1-15 vs Lendial (I wasn't counting but it was likely more losses then that) I must say i am going to shoot for 174 fhr, his BvC was much better then the few I've faced before and his leap was devastating. Dr was useful vs him but fhr may be equally or even more important. After i figure out a fhr setup and we duel some more ill let you know how it works out.

 

[Marnixk]

to get back to the topic )), Dilerium isn't bad for pvm druids. I don't do pvp and don't care much about FHR. I started cheap and my main target became to do as much damage as possible with tornado and hurricane. When monsters are dead, they can't damage you right? I also go for max life, no blocking etc. The hurricane (together with Arach) slow all enemies enough... preventing you to get lots of damage... and your tornado finished them quickly. With a very high level oak sage and lots of life-charms /skillers, this works well. The only problems are caused by undolls (too fast to be slowed enough by hurricane) and a large group of archers, with boss. Stormshield on the switch helps a lot.

With some ele-skillers, anni, torch, dilerium, hoto and a dileriumd tornado-helm, you can reach above lvl 40 tornado... which means 7k tornado-damage and about 2,5k hurrican at fastest castrate.

So I prefer dilerium for the large bonus on skills above Jalal (resistances are max) and Shako (life and mf ik nice but you can that from charms also)

 

[NickaliskTrent]

well after going like 1-15 vs Lendial (I wasn't counting but it was likely more losses then that) I must say i am going to shoot for 174 fhr, his BvC was much better then the few I've faced before and his leap was devastating. Dr was useful vs him but fhr may be equally or even more important. After i figure out a fhr setup and we duel some more ill let you know how it works out.

in ur opinion would fhr matter more or fcr in that match up... or do you need both at 163/174?

 

[w a t s o n]

163/174 would be very nice against good BvCs,however I couldn't say for sure if the loss of dr would be worth it. I didnt get a chance to test out either 174 fhr setup against him as i don't have a spirit sword in my stash yet, but i think that 174/99 may be the best way to go. When I first switched to 163 fcr vs him, it helped in being able to recast oak ect, but with the loss of dr from ss, there was a noticeable difference in how many of his whirls I could take. The one time I beat him I was wearing my usual melee setup that i posted before, at 99/99. There was a duel though where he went up to the next barb fcr breakpoint, and he hunted me down and killed me so fast it was sad. In that situation 163 fcr would be needed. I learned a lot dueling him, as he is the first really experienced dueler that I have faced. (He has played BvC for years) He also advises going 174/163 vs BvC, and like i said before, I plan on testing both 174/99 and 174/163 against him in the future.

@Marnixk You said that when monsters are dead they cant damage you, but see it works the other way around too, when you are dead you can't damage them I agree with you on 2 points though, 1.) delirium is not as bad for pvm (although I still would't use it there) and 2.) this thread is getting pretty off topic, so NikaliskTrent i'll either pm you more duel results, or you may want to start a different thread to get the opinions of others much more knowledgeable then me about the use of breakpoints vs BvCs, and id be happy to post results there.

Edit: I see you already have some threads up adressing these questions, prehaps I will post results as they come In one of those.