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Death Cleaver vs Oath

Discussion in 'Barbarian' started by sorcyone, Mar 22, 2005.

  1. sorcyone

    sorcyone Banned

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    Death Cleaver vs Oath

    I am tossing up between Death Cleaver and Oath eth Ettin Axe ladder SC for a WW barb with SS, highlords, Arreats, etc.

    Death Cleaver average damage 156.5-180
    Oath eth Ettin average damage 230-326
    The real difference is the 66% deadly strike on the Cleaver which puts it nearly as good as Oath in terms of damage.

    Some other differences :
    Ettin level 52 Cleaver level 70
    Ettin +demons damage Cleaver -33% Def
    Ettin has LMH Cleaver has a socket available
    Ettin Axe has range 2


    Question is, I have the runes and a 4 socket eth ettin axe, should I make Oath or use the runes to trade for a high ed Death Cleaver ?
     
  2. Lunatic

    Lunatic IncGamers Member

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    Is this for pvm or pvp? Because for pvp I would say the death cleaver wins. Because DC also has open wounds , which Oath doesn't have. For pvm I would say go for the Oath.
     
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    sure. :D A DC socketed with um rune ALSO HAS 25% ow!!!.lol.

    It packs defense cut & it is lwbp capable,death doesnt have onboard ias making it useless for ww & hence a huge section of cross-class pvp.Cleaver wins.

    Rik
     
  4. kanuks

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    For pvp, the range 3 and -33% target defense puts the dc way ahead. Oath in a zerker axe for range 3 would be pretty close though.
     
  5. sorcyone

    sorcyone Banned

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    Actually death has 40IAS and does reach lwbp. So does Oath which has 50IAS.
     
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    Actually death has 40IAS and does reach lwbp. So does Oath which has 50IAS.
     
  7. Sword & Shield

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    I dont understand your logic, if you misunderstood and Cleaver didnt have enouph IAS for LWWBP, then how does it still win?
     
  8. Voice

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    Donf forget you can wear marrows w/ oath to get 30% chance to cast an extra 1k magic damage from bone spirit :D
     
  9. rikstaker

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    From Arreats summit:

    100% Chance To Cast Level 44 Chain Lightning When You Die
    25% Chance To Cast Level 18 Glacial Spike On Attack
    Indestructible
    +300-385% Enhanced Damage (varies)
    20% Bonus To Attack Rating
    +50 To Attack Rating
    Adds 1-50 Lightning Damage
    7% Mana Stolen Per Hit
    50% Chance of Crushing Blow
    +0.5-50% (per Character Level) Deadly Strike (Based on Character Level)
    +1 To Light Radius
    Level 22 Blood Golem (15 Charges)
    Requirements -20%

    I dont see any ias there.

    Death=Death runeword,D.C=Death Cleaver.I began saying "DC socketed...,it(still referring to DC) packs defense cut(note:death doesnt) & is lwbp.

    Rik
     
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    Why did you start talking about DC, then switch over and start talking about DEATH out of nowhere, both of them have the sameish name, which is why i got confused...
     
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    ouch!

    Wait a minute.

    Crapzor!!!!! :p

    All this time I have been thinking that this thread was DC vs Death (I read Oath as death).rofl. :eek: .I was distracted by lunatics goofup about DC having ow. :rolleyes: .Throws Nokia 6630 at Lunatic.

    Rik
     
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    whats so great about oath? i used to have one and it wasnt too special, ebotdz beat its ass easy...
     
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    Oath doesn't require Zod rune...which means it's actually possible for legit players to make...Actually the runes are relatively easy to find making Oath on of the best cost effective runewords around.
     
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    mal vs zod + vex + eth ba

    kknp

    -jordy :rolleyes:
     
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    okay thought so, so i just recently got a lastwish zerker, would this work any good on a barb? maybe coupled with a beast? might + fanta sounds good in my head, but whats it like in game?
     
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    last wish sucks on ww-barbs, it has no IAS

    -jordy :rolleyes:
     
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    Throw it gently. :D Anyway , I was confused aswell. Slaps rikstaker with a soft pillow full of drake feathers.
     
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    More like eth weapon + mal vs zod + vex + eth ba

    Even tho most eth weapons are cheap but a 4 socted eth ba is not easy to come by.

    Other then that I 100% agree.
     
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    OK you guys convinced me to look for a 4 soc Berserker because the range 2 is worrying me so I have been doing some pit runs, looking looking thinking and thinking for Berserker Axes and one drops just now but its gold ! and its 274/9 !!
    How about that !

    Question changes :
    How about dual wield Death Cleaver / Oath ? The ettin range still is a problem but I never find a 4 socket zerker.
     
  20. Bullet-Tooth Tony

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    In my opinion, it's great. Don't forget about lvl 16 Heart of Wolverine which will add a lot of damage to both Oath itself and Death Cleaver. And some extra AR from it is nice as well.
     

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