D3 Achievements

[Brandonn]

D3 Achievements

I don't have a 360 , but while I played WoW I got a taste of Achievements, nothing more than bragging rights really, but I love them. I even found an online game site (shock wave type stuff) that has achievements, and that's the only reason I prefer their site to other's.

I think D3 would be perfect for Achievements. And with the revamping of B.net 2.0, you'd think it'd be the perfect time for this. All your Blizzard games will be together with one account.

So, please post your comments, but also, add a few Achievements you'd like to see.

Level 10 - Reach Level 10.
Level 20 - etc.
Decapitation - Decapitate 10 monsters.
Trade Skill - Raise a 0/15 skill to max.
Rain, Sleet, or Snow - Travel uphill, both ways.

 

[Airazor]

Re: D3 Achievements

I've never played a game with achievements that have actually been worth it, or a challenge to get. They just seem to accumulate the more you play...kinda pointless

 

[PahaLukki]

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I think achievements are a waste of the gamemaker's time and gamer's time.. GW has titles which are endlessly boring grindfests to achieve. Some of the titles even have bonuses added to them, like through certain PvE skills. All in all it just makes people grind for the titles. It's repetitive and it's not fun.

 

[sinned]

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Yeah, playing games is also a huge waste of people's time if you take a look at it :whistling:. Achievements make gamers keep playing and explore content they wouldn't bother with otherwise. They are a fast way of saying how good or hardcore a player is at certain aspects of the game.

Blizz already stated that they will be adding achievements to D3 and SC2. The only rewards from achievements in WoW are titles, vanity pets and mounts, so nothing game altering. Spoilsports who dislike them can just ignore them.

 

[CombatShrine]

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If they are cool and challenging to get, yeah.

Like "Undefeated", collect 10 consecutive ears in randomly-paired arena matches or something, if such a thing exists in the game.

 

[Smash]

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Achievements are childish, they do nothing other than boosting someone ego.
Blizzard want D3 to be serious game with serious story and i hope more mature content. They better spent time for adding more quests and polish existed one.

Achievements are just abominate quests that give nothing other that "hey, good job pal you done it, here have a cookie" and are dumb easy but hey they are in the end created for console gamers.

 

[Mad Mantis]

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I've never played a game with achievements that have actually been worth it, or a challenge to get. They just seem to accumulate the more you play...kinda pointless

TF2 has plenty of achievements that are hard to get. Some are ridiculous, but others make you think about the class in a new way. However most games do tend to have moronic achievements.

I like achievements because I am a huge munchkin/packrat. For me they add something else to collect.

 

[PahaLukki]

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Yeah, playing games is also a huge waste of people's time if you take a look at it :whistling:. Achievements make gamers keep playing and explore content they wouldn't bother with otherwise.

Yeah, you could think that, until people start scraping maps to get cartographer title. How is that playing a game anymore if you are just scraping the edges of maps to reveal some non-walkable land and add that to your exploration title? That's just one of the many ridiculous things put into titles in GW. I also highly recommend a youtube video on defender of ascalon title and how it is achieved (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiqQKO2XH9w). If you want laughs that is. If D3 has achievements they should have at least something to do with playing the game well, and not... insanity.

Though I always wanted to play a non-magic item using character in Diablo. That could be an insane achievement... in fact.. Make it so! :thumbup:

 

[Tanksaabas]

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Completely useless.

 

[sinned]

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Yeah, you could think that, until people start scraping maps to get cartographer title. How is that playing a game anymore if you are just scraping the edges of maps to reveal some non-walkable land and add that to your exploration title? That's just one of the many ridiculous things put into titles in GW. I also highly recommend a youtube video on defender of ascalon title and how it is achieved (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiqQKO2XH9w). If you want laughs that is. If D3 has achievements they should have at least something to do with playing the game well, and not... insanity.

They need to be ridiculous at times - that's why they're called achievements ;p, especially when you receive a title for completing one - it should be tedious/hard enough for the title to be sort of unique. The bottom line is that the rewards are things just for show and do not change the gameplay, so it isn't mandatory for anyone to get them apart from those who are into that sort of stuff.

 

[Felix]

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Back when the first MMO's came out, quests there were designed to make you spend eternity doing them. The endless grind that gamedesigns started to, or attempted to, move away from with WoW and onwards.

Achievements are actually a return to that time people were puking having to do these quests. Basically the designers efforts, and the gamers desire, to put alot more time into a given game than it's worth apparantly.

Game can't entertain you without achievements. Then what are you still doing there? Partys over, go home.

 

[CaptainDingo]

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I enjoy achievements, for the most part. Sure, some you get just by playing the game, but some of it is nice statistical information. For Diablo 3, it'd be very feasible to have achievements such as "accumulate 100,000/1,000,000/10,000,000 lifetime monster kills (hey, this is Diablo, you'll have the first one before you know it ) across all characters".

Plus, this is probably information that Blizzard is already recording. Why not tie them to an achievement?

And just because an achievement is difficult, doesn't mean it has to take a lot of time to code.

A game doesn't have to be incapable of entertaining you without achievements just to have them. That's totally illogical. And for completionists, sometimes it makes what would normally be a less than exciting feat not so boring because they're getting sort of a badge for it, and the happiness of getting the achievement outweighs (generally) what you had to do to get it, which results in net enjoyment for those who want to do it.

And for those who don't want to go out of their way to do them, don't. Achievements are never mandatory.

But the argument that "well even if they only spend a few days on them, that's a few days they could be spending on the fun parts of the game" is kind of flimsy anyways. By that train of thought, they should just stop wasting time on the Wizard and take it out of the game, because I don't want to play one.

 

[Kaeros]

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Some harsh criticism of Achievements here, huh? Fully in favor of them. Why not, really? People that want to do them will do them, people that don't .. won't. It takes very little development time to implement, and can create quite a bit of replay value for the people that like that stuff.

I think DIII is a much better vessel for Achievements than WoW is.

 

[Brandonn]

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Yeah, pretty harsh. I had no idea so many people seem to dislike them. It doesn't take anything from the game, it just adds another dimension. They are just for fun. Another thing to collect. Some should be easy, and everyone will earn them regardless. And some can be challenging, and encourage you to explore different aspects of the game. And some can almost be like puzzles, where the description of the achievement isn't quite clear, and you need to figure out how to get it. And it can bring discussion in the community to solve. (Or a trip to Game FAQs ) Heck, you can even have achievements that you can only earn as a group.

I don't understand the negativity...

 

[Kaeros]

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Yeah, pretty harsh. I had no idea so many people seem to dislike them. It doesn't take anything from the game, it just adds another dimension. They are just for fun. Another thing to collect. Some should be easy, and everyone will earn them regardless. And some can be challenging, and encourage you to explore different aspects of the game. And some can almost be like puzzles, where the description of the achievement isn't quite clear, and you need to figure out how to get it. And it can bring discussion in the community to solve. (Or a trip to Game FAQs ) Heck, you can even have achievements that you can only earn as a group.

I don't understand the negativity...

A lot of people associate achievements with mindless grinding for pointless bragging rights, like the criticism against scraping maps to get a Cartographer title. It's a fair criticism, but it's the nature of the beast with these kind of games.. I mean, playing the game at all is a pretty pointless exercise in the grand scheme of things.

I grinded Explorer on WoW, and it was a pain in the neck, but there is a warped sense of satisfaction when you uncover that last parcel of land in the corner of Azeroth.

EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see Achievements in DIII that are much less tedious than Explorer. =P

 

[studyhall]

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I'm completely in favor.

Also, achievements could have a more in depth role in game play. In the game Tales of Legendia, there was sort of an achievement part where after accomplishing something you could add the title to your character and certain attributes of the character were raised. You can wear only one at a time and I feel that this would be a very viable option for D3. My two cents.

 

[Enigmers]

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I think PvP-related achievements would be cool, but they should stay out of the regular gameplay. I'd like to be immersed as much as possible into the world of Diablo 3, and it would kinda break the flow of the game to see little pop-up messages with "Achievement Progress" or "Achievement Unlocked!" Unless I'm PvP-ing, I don't think I'd like a game like D3 to remind me that it's a game.

 

[refes]

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Absolutely despise 'em, since there mostly mere words with no real value or reward behind other than keeping track of how many X you killed with Y in Z minutes or something similar.

Totally pointless.

Besides it would definitely kill the atmosphere, especially in a game like DIII, if there are those messages popping up on the screen when achieving some stupid goal.
The message popping up when you are in a killing spree (saw that in footage of Blizzcon '08 gameplay, I think) and receiving an XP bonus already is hardly bearable so the absolutely last thing I'd like to see is more of those annoying atmosphere killers to occasionally pop up.

 

[studyhall]

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I think PvP-related achievements would be cool, but they should stay out of the regular gameplay. I'd like to be immersed as much as possible into the world of Diablo 3, and it would kinda break the flow of the game to see little pop-up messages with "Achievement Progress" or "Achievement Unlocked!" Unless I'm PvP-ing, I don't think I'd like a game like D3 to remind me that it's a game.

Why would there have to be a pop up message? When you level up does a message pop up and say that you did so? No.. a subtle button appears. There is no reason something like that couldn't be implemented for this too. Also, they could record your progress outside of the game like the system they have on the Xbox.

 

[SlechtWeerBeer]

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Why would there have to be a pop up message? When you level up does a message pop up and say that you did so? No.. a subtle button appears. There is no reason something like that couldn't be implemented for this too. Also, they could record your progress outside of the game like the system they have on the Xbox.

Actually, for what we've seen, your character quite literally explodes in a massive lightshow when you level up.
Okay, okay, slightly exaggerated. But it's very visual.