CtC effects stack Y/N?

[Rane-]

CtC effects stack Y/N?

I'm looking for confirmation on my own testing on SP. I want to know if you can proc the same effect more that once at the same time.

For example let's say you have 2 Fire Facets, one in you helm and one in your armour. They both give 100% ctc meteor on death. When you die do you cast 2 meteors? I have not been able to detect more than one, but it's kinda hard to tell.

Additionally, does it matter if it's a different level of the same skill? Let's say you cannot proc more than one lvl47 meteor, because once it casts one the other doesn't get a go. Is it possible to cast a lvl 47 meteor AND a lvl 48 meteor on the same instance? (providing you had two different items, one which gave 100% ctc lvl47 meteor, another with 100% ctc lvl48 meteor.)

So anyone out there in the know?

 

[RTB]

You'd have a 200% chance to cast a single Slvl 47 Meteor on death. If the skill and Slvl are the same, the chances stack. In your second example, both would be cast.

 

[Rane-]

Not that I doubt the almighty RTB (I seriously don't, ty for the quick response btw,) but I couldn't detect any proof of the seconed one existing. Specifically I was using SP to test Using Principle Armour (100% ctc lvl5 Holy Bolt) in conjunction with Laying of the Hands Gloves (10% ctc lvl3 Holy Bolt). I put them on a Zealot with cranked up FoH and Blessed Hammer so the bolts made a noticable difference. I used a like 5-5 damage crystal sword to maintain a constant damage. I could not ever seem to detect two Holy Bolts going off at the same time. I took off my LoH and could not detect any difference in killing speed .

So just wondering, how do you know that it's possible to have the same skill of different slvl's cast at the same time? I'm not asking for screenshotted proof or anything I am aware of your knowledge level. I simply mean have you seen this in the game code yourself, or managed to trigger the same skill (with different slvls) at the same time?

 

[krischan]

It stacks only if the skill levels are equal. Else it's probably determined separately whether the spell is triggered. However, I'm not sure if both can trigger at the same time. It's even possible for a single item to have ctc of the same spell at different levels. For example, crafted hitpower gloves, belts etc. have 5% to cast L4 frost nova and it can get 5% ctc L3 frost nova from a random mod as well.

 

[Verbatim]

I'm pretty sure I've read before (I thought @ Arreat Summit, but I can't find it again) that there's only one chance to cast each spell: if you have two 5% chances to cast lvl. 3 frost nova, for example, they will stack to become one 10% chance...so 2x 100% chances to cast the same spell would "stack" to create one "200%" chance to cast the spell, but the CTC would only be rolled once, and the spell would only be cast once.

It also said, if I remember correctly, regarding different slvls of the same skill, that you couldn't have both a lvl. 5 and a lvl. 3 frost nova cast at the same time...I got the impression that the game rolls the chance to cast the higher slvl first, then rolls the CTC for the lower slvl if the higher slvl failed its roll, though it was a little vague on that point...and I would be surprised if RTB were off, so it's possible they can stack.

If it does cast two, provided they're different slvls, they'd be right on top of each other, and they'd be cast at the exact same time, so you shouldn't be able to tell from the graphics...it'd be difficult to test with lvl. 47 and lvl. 48 meteors stacking, as either would have a tendency to kill or do nothing to most enemies/players (or at least that's what I'd expect...never played a Meteor sorc), and facets would make the process much more difficult, because of the +%dmg and -%res, but it'd be fairly easy to check whether two different lvl. frost novas can cast together...just get a high lvl char to take off all their items, and punch a char with two different slvl frost nova items...if they take three different amounts of damage when the frost novas proc (one for the high slvl, one for the low, and one, much less often, when they stack), then you'd know they can both cast together.

 

[Rane-]

Like I said I did very similar with the Holy Bolt scenario, and I get the impression that two slvls of the same skill acts like CS/DS in the way that becuase they do the same thing (even if it's with different %'s) you only roll the 2nd if the first fails. My own testing has shown this to me but like I said it's not entirely conclusive.

That and I would be hella surprised if RTB is ever wrong. I myself just can't seem to detect two of the same skill ()different slvl's) being cast in the same instant .

 

[RTB]

I remember pulling off two casts of the same skill, but it could very well be 1.09 info. Time for some tests I suppose.

btw, I do make mistakes, just like any other human.

 

[Rane-]

ZOMG RTB IS HUMAN?!

I have to rethink my entire life philosophy now...