Couple of Necromancer Questions

[PatrickRules]

Couple of Necromancer Questions

I'm making a curse necro, with the ability to kill monsters myself with a poison skill.

Which poison skill does the most damage? and how much damage is it roughly?

Also, when doing baalruns, is there any curse I can cast that can increase the damage done by paladin hammers? I cast the amplify damage curse, and I swear it made the run a bit quicker.

Also, does casting the amplify damage curse increase the damage from corpse explosion? If not, is there any curse which can do this?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Borje]

A Curse necro? Well, I can think of few builds that need to invest more than one point in any curse (save summoners that want a high area DV), so you are making a poisonmancer. Max all three poison skills as they synergies with each other, I have no numbers on how much dmg you will be doing but you should use the Poison nova skill.

There is no curse to increase magical damage (which hammers are), that would be plain cheating Hammerdins are really overpowered as it is.

The curse that your poison skills will benefit from is the Lower Resist curse, and iut's the one you should use. During Baalruns either Amp or LR can be used, think it like this: Any physical dmg guy in the run (Bowzons, Zealots, Barbs, Windies) will benefit from Amp, any elemental char (Sorcs, Aura-chars, javazons...) will benefit from Lower resists. Since the most killing in baalruns (that isn't done by Hdins) are often done by a few sorcs and you are using poison skills I'd say go with lower resist and you will be loved by all the casters. I usually ask in runs what curse they want, and pretty much allways they want LR.

Corpse Explosion is half fire damage and half physical damage. So Lower resists or Amp will both raise your CE damage. Amp will lower enemies Phys res by 100%, Lower resist will lower it about 50%, so Amp is better for your CE's but since you are poisoning I'd say that just keep using the LR skill..

 

[PatrickRules]

thanks

what I actually meant when I say poison skill, is the poison & bone skill tab, my question is which does more damage, the poison treble on the left, or the magic synergy with the bone spirit/bone spear/teeth? If there are no curses to reduce magical resistance, does the mean the poison treble on the left of the skill tree with lower resist will do more damage than the magic damage bone spirit/spear etc?

I've seen poison nova necros, which attacks many enemies, but which skill does the most damage to a single monster (baal/diablo etc)?

 

[Borje]

I am not that experienced with the P&B necros so I can't tell, but I would guess that the Bone spells are better against a single monster.. hope someone with a little more knowledge can help here...

 

[naskali]

For single monster the most dmg is done by summon necro. Somethig like Ubers are killed in under 30 secs if you have a good summoner( I mean only 1 Uber)

 

[Borje]

D'oh, ofc it is. I had my mind somewhere away in PvP, where summons are useless, but ofc, the right revieves telestomped next to the ubers will take them down fast!

 

[Mad Mantis]

Which poison skill does the most damage? and how much damage is it roughly?

Play around a bit.

 

[PatrickRules]

Re: Couple of Necromancer Questions

are you guys talking about skeletons, or reviving the monsters themselves, which everyone complains 'no summon necro..'. Why don't they like it?

 

[Moreis]

Re: Couple of Necromancer Questions

With bone spirit and all of its synergies maxed out, it does 1972 - 2140 magic damage. With poison dagger, poison explosion, and poison nova maxed out, poison dagger does 4860 - 5231 poison damage with a duration of 9.6 Seconds. Poison explosion does 8189 - 9870 poison damage with a duration of 9.6 Seconds. And poison nova does 1781 - 1953 poison damage with a duration of 2 Seconds.

 

[Borje]

Re: Couple of Necromancer Questions

are you guys talking about skeletons, or reviving the monsters themselves, which everyone complains 'no summon necro..'. Why don't they like it?

Skelletons can become very strong (especially if you are able to stack some auras on them) but when taking down Ubers in under a minute you will want to revive some Urdars/Maulers because their attack has got Crushing Blow.

The reason some ppl don't like summons in pub Baal runs is because they cuase lag to ppl with slow cpus and they are often blocking the way for some melee chars..

 

[PatrickRules]

Re: Couple of Necromancer Questions

With bone spirit and all of its synergies maxed out, it does 1972 - 2140 magic damage. With poison dagger, poison explosion, and poison nova maxed out, poison dagger does 4860 - 5231 poison damage with a duration of 9.6 Seconds. Poison explosion does 8189 - 9870 poison damage with a duration of 9.6 Seconds. And poison nova does 1781 - 1953 poison damage with a duration of 2 Seconds.

so that means the poison dagger is ~0.5k/sec , poison explosion ~1k/sec, Poison nova ~0.9k/sec, and bone spirit (maybe about 3 casts per second) ~ 6k/sec. Tell me if I've got my maths wrong.

what damage does the bone spear do?

 

[Moreis]

Re: Couple of Necromancer Questions

so that means the poison dagger is ~0.5k/sec , poison explosion ~1k/sec, Poison nova ~0.9k/sec, and bone spirit (maybe about 3 casts per second) ~ 6k/sec. Tell me if I've got my maths wrong.

what damage does the bone spear do?

With bone spear and all of its synergies maxed out, bone spear does 1267 - 1346 magic damage.

 

[NumtyDoo]

Re: Couple of Necromancer Questions

I prefer a summoner myself. But I use him for MF in lower player count games. If you are looking to make a PnB necro for PvM, I would go with a poison/summon. My poison summon does 10k nova and has -90% to enemy poison resist without lower resist. So with lower resists, each nova does 20k damage. The poison/summon route seems better to me as the poison skills only use up 60 pts, so you are free to get all the curses that you want , and a full compliment of skellies and revives. In low player count games, almost everything dies from 1 nova.

 

[onderduiker]

All things considered, the Bone Spells generally deal more damage per second to single targets than the Poison Spells, and it's easier to balance equipment to combine killing power and item-finding ability; however, they require a sustained attack and consume far more mana than the Poison Spells.

It's technically possible to kill Baal with a single Poison Dagger in a single-player Ladder game (he has 493,701 life and 50% poison resistance in Hell); however, actually doing so requires some pretty extreme equipment. The resulting character would be utterly lethal, but not much good for item-finding (although once you'd stabbed Baal, you could portal back to town and switch to item-finding equipment before he died; this would be awkward, though).

Bear in mind that Achmel the Cursed and his Unravelers all have magic immunity (and Achmel has an unbreakable 125% poison immunity), while Ventar the Unholy and his Venom Lords all have unbreakable 120% poison immunity, so neither Poison and Bone Spells specialist is best suited to running Baal solo.

 

[NumtyDoo]

Re: Couple of Necromancer Questions

I do agree to a single target spear/spirit do more damage per second, but when you can kill an entire mob with 1 nova, that is way better. Also, spear/spirit are EXTREMELY mana hungry. Besides CB from merc and revives will do more damage to bosses than the poison nova or spear/spirit.

Yes, there are a few poison immunes that can't be over ridden. That is why I mentioned poison/summon, for the few monsters that could not be dealt with by poison damage, 12 skellies/15 revives/merc can get you a dead body to start the CE chain.

I have all 3 types of necro, and for PvM I still prefer a pure summoner. Poison/summon second. I really don't like spear/spirit for PvM, I find it best suited for PvP.