Could an admin/mod please give a decisive answer?

[snowieken]

with all due respect i think its up to the mods to decide the answer to you question not us. its our forum to use but we dont make the rules ; i think the lack of interest from the mods speaks volumes on its significane. thats all im posting on this thread so its dead for me.
thanks

I don't want decisions from anyone else than the mods either. But that shouldn't stop us peasants from happily discussing, no?

The thread in question has been deleted, but I wonder what that means for future reference.

 

[Wuhan_Clan]

The bug regarding the Ancients Quest has already been discussed countless times. There is not arguing over this issue since we've allowed it for many months already.

And it really is up to the mods. There are always new bugs being discovered that are being reported in the Bug Report Forum. I guess it comes down to how much of an impact the bug in question will have on bnet gameplay. I don't think there can be one solidified rule of bug discussion since each bug is completely different that only ad hoc decisions will work.

 

[Herald of Doom]

I don't want decisions from anyone else than the mods either. But that shouldn't stop us peasants from happily discussing, no?

If you only want a mod's answer, have you tried to simply PM some mods? Most of them just stick to their part of the forums, so you'd reach more mods that way. Or perhaps you can ask a mod to ask this question in the mod forum. Or PM Elly ^_^

HoD

 

[Dredd]

There are other bug exploits shared on that forum as well (for instance, Andariel drop bug). And I don't think this forum is as pro-legit as it claims to be (and as it used to be) when it allows the sharing of those.

I lurked this forum for three years before I started posting here. There has always been some sharing of bug exploit information. If it seems to be particularly rampant right now, I would have to say that's due to the fact that this latest patch came with a lot of exploitable bugs.

I think that diabloii.net has always tolerated (though not endorsed) the sharing of bug info, so long as it doesn't involve the use of 3rd party software. Obviously, I'm not a moderator so I can't make that statement decisively. It's based purely on long-term observation.

I've been watching this thread, hoping that Rush, Elly or Flux would pop in with something to say. Hearing something from them from time to time is good for community morale. Unfortunately, they are very busy people and can seem aloof at times. A PM or email might be a better way to get your question answered. Just be sure to share the answer with me; I'm curious as well.

 

[Grenesir]

There are other bug exploits shared on that forum as well (for instance, Andariel drop bug). And I don't think this forum is as pro-legit as it claims to be (and as it used to be) when it allows the sharing of those.

I don't think this site is less legit than it used to be. It was never 100% legit to begin with. This site has amongst other things, promoted strategy guides which revolved around the exploitation of bugged skills and items.

A lot of information was available on the benefits of using a high percentage of pierce with the skills Guided Arrow and Lightning Fury, in patches 1.08 and 1.09. Blizzard never intended for pierce to work in such fashion.

Let's not forget all the detailed information on how to exploit the Blood Golem and Iron Maiden combo previous to patch 1.05. Which made the necromancer virtually invincible.

I also remember how this site gave detailed information on how to exploit the Bone Wall bug previous to patch 1.04. For those who don't know, it was possible to gain items by casting numerous Bone Walls then waiting for them to collapse.

This site has given extensive information on how to benefit from most major bugs that have surfaced during D2's existence. This information was either transmitted through the forums, the strategy compendium, the FOTD or the news section.

I'm not bashing anyone. But information regarding the exploitation of bugs has always been around. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but just trying to point out that the situation today isn't that different from 2-3 years ago.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Right, to conserve the story= to stop rushes. Iirc, Blizzard made some statements about "bringing the game abck to basic" , eg stop rushing and boss mf'ing. Obviously, they failed...

What basics?...there has always been rushing. And the story conservation I was talking about, is the fact that the ancients require a certain amount of power to face (according to the story), hence the level limit (like most other quests).

There were dusins of easy ways Blizzard could have stopped rushing IF they truly wanted to do that...ranging from simply putting a level limit on the Bhaal quest or putting a level limit on joining and creating Nightmare/Hell games.

So unless you can show otherwise, this is *not* an exploit.

 

[Lord Chaos]

the question is whether we should allow bug exploits to be discussed on the Bug Report forum.

Yes, but if your premise (that its a bug exploit) is false, your whole question is rather invalid anyway.

You still haven't been able to show the slightest shred of evidence that shows that this is a "bug exploit".

 

[Phaeax]

Let's clarify... a bug should be defined as a problem in game code that results in undesireable outcomes. Along the lines of bug in D2, there are the issues of being stuck behind chests, permanent WW, trying to change skills during Charge, etc. None of these can be presented as an advantage to the player, and SHOULD be reported within these forums not so much to let Blizzard know what to fix, but to advise fellow players as what to avoid.

On the other hand, the synergy from Marrowwalk, the gold increase from buying/selling, and the aforementioned low level Hell rush, all lay in the realm of loopholes. Since Blizzard has made no statement about their existence, whether or not they are acceptable in game play is up to the people who play the game. If you feel that utilizing these loopholes is undesired by Blizzard or by the community, then I would not ask about them.

This all said, I feel the appropriate place for your post (not being a true bug) is this Community forum, who can also try and give you a consensus answer if exploiting the loophole is bad-mannered.

 

[snowieken]

Yes, but if your premise (that its a bug exploit) is false, your whole question is rather invalid anyway.

Of course, but that is why I stated other bug exploits being discussed on this forum. The Ancients thing is not the only one, you know, so it doesn't really matter if this particular one is a real bug exploit or not. The other examples are (or at least some), so the question still stands.

You still haven't been able to show the slightest shred of evidence that shows that this is a "bug exploit".

Like I said (numerous times, I believe), this particular "bug exploit" might not be a "bug exploit" indeed. You had a good point there, but I already admitted that to you a few posts ago. The other bug exploits (or loopholes if you prefer that term) still make my question valid, I believe.

Anyway, I think I have my answer now, guys, since the gold earning thread has been deleted when there was no real flaming going on in there.

 

[Nastie_Bowie]

Creating mule characters is frowned upon by Blizzard, yet everyone does it. It is discussed here, and people give advice on how to do it.

Exploiting a bug, to me, is a shade of gray. How many amazons exploited the fire arrow bug in 1.09? Or the guided arrow pierce bug?

To me, there is a big difference between using a 3rd party program and using something that the game developers left in the game.

How many of us have equipment, that survived Rust Storm, that there is a 99.999~% chance of being a duplicate? What are the moral implications here?

This is an ethical shade of gray. Grief PKing is "part of the game", also. Yet, is is morally acceptable? I personally find grief PKing a reprehensible selfish act. Others here do not share my opinion.

Unless a specific rule is broken, the mods are all different people, and may have differing opinions, on any given subject.

I guess it is up to what we each find to be morally and ethically acceptable.

 

[DODOman]

I dont understand how something can not be part of the game or illigal if Blizzard themselves coded it into the game.

If you only use or do 100% of what they allow to be done...how can it be cheating?

Its their game, let them decide what we can and cant do.


IMHO its just a part of the game.