Conc Nihil barb runner

[Choman]

Re: Conc Nihil barb runner

Hey all, I have a quick question about this build. Why is gladiator's bane preferred over Shaftstop? I'm pretty new to Barbs and key running but wouldn't damage % reduction be better than just minus 15ish damage? Anyways, I think I'm going to try this build using the gear I recengly mf'd. I'd like some suggestions on which gear I should keep and which I should trade for, thanks!

My current barb gear for my future barb:

Andy's Visage
Dracul's Grasp
Shaftstop
Flamebellow
Whistam's Guard?(would this suffice?)
Goblin Toe, Waterwalks, can't decide
+2 barb ammy

I think I'd be lacking in resists so I'm wondering if I should opt for maybe a moser's with pdiamonds or a sanctuary, (if I could afford one)

Again, feedback would be much appreciated, I'm really excited about trying this build out.

 

[TheBigClown]

Re: Conc Nihil barb runner

You won't believe how insane pdr is before you've tried it. You will be like: "Omg, I really can't die even if I try!". I couldn't believe my eyes the first time I made a pdr char.

Gladiator has 15-20 pdr - with a sol it's 22-27 pdr.

If you have 60 pdr, bugged vipers can't hurt you. If you have 0 pdr, but 30% dr bugged vipers do 42 damage each frame, that's 1008 damage each second (or 1050 damage each second - suddenly I can't remember if the game runs 24 or 25 frames a second).

Ditch Whistan's and go for Geerke's - socket it with a sol rune and you will have 18-23 pdr right there along with some nice res all and high block percentage. Geerke's is inexpensive.

Try gamble a life everlasting amulet. +2 skills won't be as usefull as say 25 pdr.

Goblin Toe vs. Ww: I would pick Ww. Why? 20% fr/w compared to 0%. I would go for Gore if it was within my reach, otherwise Aldur or IK.

Sol Andy. However -30 fire res isn't too great.

For the record. My pdr barb wasn't a keyrunner, just a pdr barb. I didn't have anything in mind when making him, I just wanted to become as close to being imortal as possible. If my info doesn't correspond with a keyrunner I'm sorry, but now you have the reson if it's the case.

 

[Fr0sts]

Re: Conc Nihil barb runner

my soon to be barb will be a conc/shout full set ik barb. ~ i hope this will be good enough.

 

[Choman]

Re: Conc Nihil barb runner

Hey, thanks for the great feedback. Bought myself a nice 20 pdr gladiators bane and picked up a Gerkes from mf! Can't wait till my barb gets to 85 so I can try this setup.

 

[LiquidClear]

Re: Conc Nihil barb runner

So, I know the thread is titled "Conc" nihil runner, but does the same damage reduction barb runner work with whirlwind? (the single target attack seems like it might get redundant on me)

 

[jakotaco]

Re: Conc Nihil barb runner

I usually run Nihlathak with a Berserk barb (or used to as I rarely play nowadays) ,y recommendation is using enigma and teleport around. It seems to me that the bugged viper clouds only do damage when you walk/run through the clouds while teleporting is relatively safe. Teleporting makes the run quick to nihlathak, safe from vipers and easy to finish with by teleporting on top of him, howling all is minions and kill him with a few strikes, if he teleports just repeat the tele->howl->zerk procedure. I play softcore, but I never died on a Nihlathak run, was close once when I accidentily struck down two of his minions in a 8 player game allowing him to CE them... but apart of that you're solid enough. Despite having 0 straight DR.

(my gear: Grief, Storm, Enigma, Arreat, IK belt, IK boots, IK gloves, Ravenfrost, Rare amulet with fcr, life and mana, rare ring with fcr, mana and attack rating.)
So while some parts might be quite costly, nothing unaffordable if you can afford highrunes. BOTD is ofc an option on NL which attacks faster but packs less punch per attack.

 

[MYK]

Re: Conc Nihil barb runner

So, I know the thread is titled "Conc" nihil runner, but does the same damage reduction barb runner work with whirlwind? (the single target attack seems like it might get redundant on me)

I used my IK/WW barb quite a few times for Nihlathak runs. Much more when I deleted my Howl/Conc version.

The pros are: Leeching off of everything as you're destroying it. Destroying everything as you're leeching. Whirling is fun!

The cons may be: Less efficient due to killing multiple things at once instead of just the one guy you need to. Mana Burn things live down there. Without a RIP item you'll give Nihlathak a ton of ammo to use, and in bigger games, as Jakotepec points out, CE does more damage.

You could just run a regular WW barb and then switch to concentrate for killing him. That's what I did quite a bit.

 

[Foodger]

Re: Conc Nihil barb runner

Hi, a lot of you guys were talking about weapon speeds and the breakpoints for those different weapons, as well as a weapon speed calculator. I was wondering if there are any weapons that really stand out for this kind of build, and if there are any resources containing info about the individual weapons and their breakpoints as far as ias is concerned. Do you guys wait to max a weapon mastery until you find a hell quality weapon, or do you usually know going into the build? Does that remain true for your untwinked characters?

 

[TheBigClown]

Re: Conc Nihil barb runner

It seems to me that the bugged viper clouds only do damage when you walk/run through the clouds while teleporting is relatively safe.

True. According to my information:

Bugged viper clouds deals damage each frame if and only if you move (and if you have no pdr and moves it adds up damn fast, which is why you need pdr - unless you teleports). If you don't move, but teleports, you'll recieve only one frame of cloud damage - even though you teleport FPC is 11 or 12.

 

[LiquidClear]

Re: Conc Nihil barb runner

TY for the input MYK. Another question though...

Is going beyond 60 PDR a bit redundant or is it one of those things where every bit helps?
Example: I have a G-Bane that will have 25 PDR once i Sol it, 25 on my ammy, 11 on my gerkes (61 total). Now, obviously I can throw another sol in my shield and another in my helm for 68/75 PDR respectively. However, would I be better served putting P Diamond (shield) or ED/IAS jewel (helm) than stacking more PDR? If I can manage to get my hands on a 4 os eth zerker axe (Oath), the 15 IAS on the jewel will likely help me hit the 10 Frame break point with Conc, and the extra resists in the shield will also likely help me out. So what do you think?

 

[MYK]

Re: Conc Nihil barb runner

Extra PDR is always appreciated.

In the realm of 50-60 is enough to you pretty much impervious to the poison clouds. So, when is there too much PDR? I'd say it's your example, where socketing a slot with something else might help you hit an important breakpoint.

I had a berserker barb with around 110 PDR, two handed. He used a Tomb Reaver socketed with Shaels. His weapon and few charms pretty much net him max res and a decent attack speed, so the only other thing to do was load up on a ton of PDR.